Depends on how heavy the "coffer" is and how strong the cable is.  It's possible that it is dangling off the Upright Horn.

It is but that doesn't mean it was done successfully. Ajokli doesn't seem very trustworthy to me.

That's true.  We're a little short of other information to compare with Kellhus's claims.

I'll make my final interpretative decision once I get there in the canon artifact but as far as my reading goes so far I *still* attribute Kellhus' dialogue regarding "seeing himself" in the Inverse Fire and making "pacts with the Pit" to Ajokli.

Perhaps, but it wasn't in boldface and avoiding damnation by pacting with the Pit is a very, very Dunyain thing to do.

Quote from: Cynical Cat on August 05, 2017, 01:27:48 pm

Kellhus conquers Hell (or perhaps has always ruled Hell).

Does he?

Until we get scenes taking part in the Outside, we don't know for sure either way.  We don't know for sure that Serwa and Kosoter are Ciphrang and not just really damned.

Kellhus conquers Hell (or perhaps has always ruled Hell).  The others are devoted to things (like HATE) other than just dodging damnation (although Kosoter clearly has that on his mind too).   If its a crapshoot, if the odds are being full of hate is just going to make you prime food in the Outside, then it changes nothing.  Damnation is still the likely result.  There's another option, in that the Inverse Fire could be poor at distinguishing between ruling Hell on a black iron throne and burning in Hell as Ciphrang food.   

When the Ciphrang kills the Nonman and cannot find his soul afterward, i immediately knew that the Nonman had found oblivion. I dont even think its in doubt. Its possible. Even though, throighout the whole series we're told that it is not. This would also go back to Akka and Cnaüir's talk about madness and it leaking in and Kellhus saying thats not how it works, he thought there wasnt any cracks. Apparently, there are. Did anyone else get that he went to Oblivion also?

I thought it was a Sranc, not a Nonman, and therefore soulless.  Another passage to check, I guess.

If Aurang is dead, Bakker really should have given us at least an awesome 1 full page sorcerous battle. Instead he gets one-shotted and pwned by Kellhus.

I get that Kellhus is fucking powerful. But Aurang has been around for ages and fought countless battles - he should put up more fight than Meppa.

Which I guess is par for the course with Bakker. He is a master of big picture battlefield description but has very few good individual duel scenes that I can recall.

I have to disagree.  We have no reason to believe that Aurang is going to stand up to the Metagnosis.  We do however, get pages of him murdering tons of Schoolmen and mortally wounding the Witch Most Holy with red hot laser death.  That's not a trivial accomplishment.

If that were the case it seems like missing something obvious. It's not a coincidence he's in the Golden Room at that time. A skin spy found him and brought him to its Consult masters. Kelmomas/Samarmas, in fear of his/their/its life, tries to be useful like he tried with Kellhus and mentions how the powers that be can't see him. The Dunyain keep him there as a contingency, a calculated risk. If what he's saying is true they don't have to contest with their brother, they can simply dispose of him and use Kelmomas/Samarmas.

We don't even have to go that far.  He's an Anasurimbor.  He's valuable enough to keep around as a back up even if he reveals nothing.