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General Earwa / Re: The No-God and the 144k souls. [spoilers inbound]
« on: January 23, 2017, 05:49:37 am »
I see, yes TUC ought to clarify that, hopefully. You don't think Kellhus knew about the Tekne in Dagliash though? I got the impression he was searching for something, disembowelling Dagliash. Maybe he has been using his dreams to find things too?

Also what is PTL, is that probability trance or do you mean portal?

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General Earwa / Re: The No-God and the 144k souls. [spoilers inbound]
« on: January 23, 2017, 05:16:03 am »
Hi MSJ, thanks! I was thinking about awaking the No-God, and it might not be the case that there is a No-God to awake, but rather that the No-God is simply the word used to describe the Carapace. If the Carapace acts as a repository to contain souls, than the No-God is a multiplicity, not a god to be awakened. We know that great atrocities create some kind of link with the Outside, a Topoi, but what if you could create a mobile Topoi? That would be the function of the 144k souls, a mass sacrifice to meet the needs to create a Topoi, except one that can move. I can't really imagine what else the chain gang in Akka's dreams is being led to.

The nuke at Dagliash may not have been intended to destroy the Ordeal, but to destroy Kellhus instead. They guessed Kellhus would be heading there, and wanted to nuke him because they knew they might be slaughtered in close combat. As it turned out, the Ordeal dodged the nuke, for the most part.

However, is it certain that it was the Consult that nuked Dagliash? It wasn't really explained what the Tekne was that Kellhus retrieved, is it possible that maybe Kellhus himself used the Tekne to nuke Dagliash and so destroy the Horde? I wasn't sure on that account. I was thinking that may have been why Kellhus took Saubon instead of Proyas, because he could afford to lose Saubon in the blast, but needed Proyas to continue leading the Ordeal. That would leave the Inchoroi appearance unexplained though.

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General Earwa / The No-God and the 144k souls. [spoilers inbound]
« on: January 22, 2017, 10:20:46 pm »
First post, it is about something I have been thinking about in regards to the he No-God and the number of souls needed to shut off the World from the Outside, and the alternate dreams Akka has other Aspect-Emperor. So, spoiler alert!

A couple of things first:

- the No-God seems to be conceived as a God, but this might be a mistake of grammar. It could also mean that the Carapace is simply a zone where no God is permitted, a No-God zone. Sealed with chorae as it is, the chorae may serve to further occlude the interior of the sarcophagus.
- the 144k is the amount souls required to seal off the outside. In religion, heaven is sometimes a place where only 144k people are permitted. So far it seems people think there will be 144k people allowed to live, but this might not be the case, only the souls are required. We have seen that there are ways to contain souls in the World, either as husks or in objects.

That being said, here is my conjecture, that the dreams Akka has of people in a long chain line are being fed into the Carapace, and that the 144k souls are trapped inside the Carapace. This fulfils some prophecy about the Holy Land, and tricks the Outside into believing the World is separate somehow. Once the requisite souls are trapped, all other living beings must be extinguished, thus eliminating the need to have a group of people to care for. This also means that the No-God is not a single entity, but a confused multiplicity, a whirl of 144k souls all trapped and blinded by the chorae, perhaps.

Apparently the Inchoroi have pulled this trick on other worlds, but it never worked out for them, and then they would go to another world to try again. However the Inchoroi didn't have chorae on the other worlds, so maybe that is the game changer, and a God with teary eyes will not see so well. Mimara possesses the Eye of Judgment though, a Gods eye, so if she ever sees the Carapace, we will know.

As for the number 144k, it is based on the 12 tribes of Israel I think, and apparently 12000 from each tribe are allowed into Heaven or something. So 12 times 12000 is 144000. The Inchoroi had a homeworld but it seems they did not try this trick there. However they believe in their prophecy. Maybe their Heaven was realized by some of their people, but the rest were excluded, so they sought to recreate a new heaven of their own the best way they knew how, with the Tekne. It wasn't until they found Eärwa though that they found their match, a race who didn't have Tekne but had something perhaps more potent, the Quya, or sorcery. The marriage of sorcery and Tekne may be the key to their promised land.

Now there are only 2 Inchoroi left, or so it seems, but they are true believers and have been reinforced with the Consult. Feeding the No-God souls was easier during the first Apocolypse, as the North was full of souls, but is probably harder now that the North is empty. However, the Ordeal has enough souls to feed the No-God still, so Kellhus may unwittingly provide the Consult with what they need.

When the No-God does appear in dreams, he asks people what they see, but through the voices of Sranc. The No-God is blind but apparently has other senses, or perhaps some kind of connection with living souls, for people have an innate sense of the No-God's existence, or so I recall. Thus the No-God is the perfect annihilator, preternaturally drawn to living beings by some soul magnetism. Only cracking the Carapace seems to dispel the No-God.

Just some of my thoughts. Thanks!

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