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The Unholy Consult / Re: Who actually liked TUC?
« on: August 21, 2017, 09:54:50 pm »
I do like the book the more time goes by...

I re-read the entire series before TUC...

By the end of the first trilogy, I hated Kellhus and wanted him to die horribly.

By the end of the second trilogy, even knowing Kellhus was a monster, I was actually rooting for him as the least horrible option.

As for TUC, I knew deep down that the No-God had to be coming back or something worse was going to happen, otherwise why would there be a third series?

And still, like others have said, I think we have been all been so conditioned to expect the pat and happy ending, like so many fantasies series have done before. Or, at worst case, the ending of a fantasy series is bittersweet. This one is a giant downer on the negative scale, making Abercrombie seem light hearted. So much so that the ending to me was like the ultimate kick in the balls. Kellhus seemed so powerful that none could oppose him- but wait, he can make mistakes and he makes a huge miscalculation here.

The final scenes are so powerful with the death of Big K, the imagery of hologram Kellhus floating down and oops...oh shit its the No-God, and the crazy retreat. And the last line. I actually felt physically unwell after the end.

Bravo.

With all that said though, I do hope that the NEXT trilogy offers a bit more closure to things, as that will truly be the end so what the hell. Which I doubt we will get.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Zaudunyanicon Q&A
« on: August 10, 2017, 07:21:13 pm »
How about this one,

Ask Bakker if he shelved some revelations/things to be revealed later because of the No-God series?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Conditioned ground
« on: August 10, 2017, 07:20:03 pm »
When you die in Earwa, your soul is instantly transported to a mini-game of expert mode Frogger.

You have to carefully guide your soul across the dangerous highway of the Outside, while various entities (various Ciphrang, Gods, family members etc.)  try to get you.

Few can make it all the way across to Oblivion.

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Forgot about good ol' Malowebi. That is indeed a horrible fate. Especially if he is trapped in that head for years upon years.

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Well...yeah many of the characters are unsympathetic, tis true, but I have sympathy for a few of them.

Akka for sure. Esmi to a degree. Even Kellhus, I feel a bit sad for.

Perhaps this speaks to another issue- one of the flaws I see with the series is it is unrelentingly dark and grim. A few moments of joy and fun would have gone a long way in making Earwa seem worth fighting for.

At least in the PON there were some funny moments of levity and friendship (in between the religious slaughter and mayhem, that is)

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Bakker is really good at providing horrifying and grisly demises for many of his characters. Who do you think had the worst fate?

(Let's forget that most people in Earwa qualify as you have only like a 4% chance you aren't going to hell)

Number one on the list has to be poor Proyas. This guy really was put through the mill.

Through the Holy War he had his faith and resilience tested many, many times. He was broken when he ordered the execution of Kellhus and his subsequent conversion to Team Kellhus.

Then you have the whole Ordeal segment. He has his faith shattered by his prophet, he gets raped by his prophet. He has to lead the Ordeal on the worst leg of the march,

becoming a Sranc-mad cannibal in the process. An to top it off he is then betrayed yet again by Kellhus, who turns him into the badly needed scapegoat the Ordeal needs to

continue.

He is hung in wrappings and humiliated before the whole Ordeal. The final indignity is he is then suffocated by his nephew.

Awful.

(Btw, where is Akka when that whole thing goes down in the tent with the Scylvendi? I thought Akka was right there, seems very odd he would just peace out and leave Proyas there when he was so frantic to save his life??)

Perhaps the only character to me that competes with Proyas in terms of misery is Nau-Cayuti.

This guy was a badass and a hero. Yet he ends up being betrayed by his mistress and sold down the river to the Consult. He is taken into Golgotterath and subjected to untold torture/rape/horror. Then he gets exposed to the Inverse Fire and stuffed into the Carapace, the ultimate betrayal to his cause.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
« on: August 08, 2017, 05:37:01 pm »
The thing is, don't you need a Daimotic sorceror to reattach the head to a body?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Zaudunyanicon Q&A
« on: August 08, 2017, 05:14:14 pm »
Alas Madness, to not watch the symposium is not an option on the benjuka plate ... ever are men tempted by the forbidden . If it is given, it will be taken!

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Zaudunyanicon Q&A
« on: August 08, 2017, 03:09:31 pm »
Bakker is far too cagey and too much of a troll to spill anything major that he has up his sleeve.

So the answers you get are going to be either very minor spoilers, deliberate misdirection, or outright made up bs.


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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kellhus' Options
« on: August 08, 2017, 03:07:07 pm »
Well....there is seeking power to achieve the absolute... and then there is the lust/passion/mad Roman emperor lust for power which I think are two different things. Kellhus and Big Moe seized power not to cackle with glee, torment the smallfolk and gloat, but to do what they felt they had to do. In other words, they don't "enjoy" the dominance aspect of power.

To me, being a Ciphrang and chomping souls is related to a passion/lust to dominate and cause misery, and to me that doesn't fit in with Kellhus' personality or aims. He doesn't do things to be petty, vindictive,  or take personal satisfaction in hurting people.


Just seems like "I will descend as a hunger" is a strange line for a man almost utterly devoid of passions and hungers

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The Unholy Consult / Re: The Collected Works of Emilidis
« on: August 08, 2017, 03:01:44 pm »
Crackpot theory: Emilidis made the Carapace.

Under his glossary entry it says something about him seeking to create something that was indistinguishable from Godly creation or some such.

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Literature / Re: Culture series by Iain M Banks
« on: August 07, 2017, 11:06:02 pm »
I tried to get into his stuff given the acclaim, read Consider Phlebas and Player of Games. Worth reading but not spectacular so I stopped there.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Merchandising the Second Apocalypse
« on: August 07, 2017, 10:33:57 pm »
Not buying unless black semen is involved.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] The No-God's abilities
« on: August 07, 2017, 10:18:38 pm »
Indeed, she is a bad judge of character. But she can sense clearly if they are capable of emotion. Kel might be a murderous little bastard but he is capable of love.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] The No-God's abilities
« on: August 07, 2017, 09:23:06 pm »
Esmenet did say that Serwa was capable of love but then she was whisked away to the Swayali so she missed out on that

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