[Madness]

Common' son.

I'm all about Meppa mirroring the Preacher a la Dune (and being Moenghus the Elder).

[Wilshire]

Distance really isn't an issue with Kellhus, but he just seems so remote. I have trouble seeing him spending the weekend jumping back to the Empire to chat with Meppa... Unless he thinks he can bring him back and use him in the Ordeal somehow.

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Except that perhaps Kellhus must return to the Empire in order for the White-Luck to have the opportunity to kill him.

[Madness]

I'd have to dig out the Dune books but:

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Does not Leto return to see the Preacher's demise?

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Except that perhaps Kellhus must return to the Empire in order for the White-Luck to have the opportunity to kill him.

I think the White-Luck Warrior defeating Kellhus is part of Kellhus' plan (if it even happens like the Warrior perceives) but I cannot wait for that sword fight.

[Wilshire]

Off topic, I saw the original Dune movie, and it was terrible. Would not recommend.

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From the wiki: The Preacher was ultimately assassinated in the main square in Arrakeen, just prior to Leto II taking the throne.

[Madness]

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Leto and the Preacher travel together to Arrakeen so that the Preacher can preach his last sermon .

[Cüréthañ]

WLW is going to kill the emperor.  Might not be Kellhus by that time.

[mrganondorf]

WLW is going to kill the emperor.  Might not be Kellhus by that time.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't notice it the first time through.  Wonder who it could be if not Kellhus?  Kelmomas?

[Cüréthañ]

Fanayal?  That would be hilarious.

[Wilshire]

Wait... Does Mr. White-Luck not not explicitly state Kellhus? I'm going to be upset that I missed it if thats true.

[Cüréthañ]

Pretty sure that WLW only future remembers/thinks about killing 'the emperor'.

Little factoid that I noted when I was speculating why Yatwer would have Sorweel poised to kill Kellhus when the WLW was already seemingly set up to do just that.

[Madness]

Just says Aspect-Emperor. It also does also say wicked beyond compare... but that's ambigious. I never really gave much credence to the idea of it being a substitute AE though.

Will note again that the Aspect-Emperor is written as that from the Warrior's perspective while it says Holy Shriah, Holy Empress, and Holy Crone (for Psatma).

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Pretty sure that WLW only future remembers/thinks about killing 'the emperor'.

Little factoid that I noted when I was speculating why Yatwer would have Sorweel poised to kill Kellhus when the WLW was already seemingly set up to do just that.

No issue. We've been speculating multiple Warriors. But Narindar is the cultural myth used to digest those who kill in the name of the Gods. The Warrior walks the perfect path.

[mrganondorf]

Thinking along the lines of how the good guys pushed back the Mordor forces at that battle in front of that big white castle--Kellhus turns up with the great ordeal+ishterbinth forces+the fifth tribe and their schools+the zeumi navy+the zeumi schools+remenants of the thought to be annihilated human slave race+wutteat+U.S. Marines and the Red Sox.

This coalition simply defeats the Consult and throw the ark back into space.  All is well, there are no more books, Frodo goes home.

[Wilshire]

That sounds like something one of Bakker's children would write after he died. Everything there seems plausible, except, of course, comparing Kellhus to Frodo

[mrganondorf]

Mayhaps Bakker likes scripture so much, TUC ends John 3:16 style.  Moe sacrafices his son for the werld

[mrganondorf]

Crazyasscrackpotending: It's revealed that the nonmen/inchoroi are suffering from massive pervasive delusion.  The Ark never fell from the sky, the inchoroi are nothing more than a branch of the nonmen changed over millenia.  They conceive of a grand scheme to evade damnation, but know that it will only work if they believe their own lies (smelling plato) so they invent the inverse fire to compel belief.  It's the last thing they do after constructing the ark, filling it with bodies, and setting off an explosion across gogongorea destroying viri.  LOL

EDIT: Just adding this bit, Bakker seems bent on genre-bending and reader-expectation-twisting, the above would fit since the story WOULDN'T actually be scifi at all (no aliens, all fantasy) and he could get rid of all the other things like stars being other suns.  Earwe really is the center of the universe, it's not like our world, there is nothing but stars circling above.