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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Inchoroi in future books
« on: August 10, 2017, 12:49:40 am »
Science can't contradict these philosophical concepts because human scientific knowledge of these areas is still extremely rudimentary.

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I don't feel bad about Kellhus's fate in the slightest.  I thought the way Kellhus went out was hilarious and I'm glad he got salted by the things he disregarded. 
Me too. It was perfect.

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If a bow can even reach the height a schoolman on watch would be up at.
There seems to be a limit on how high above the Ground a sorcerer can conjure an echo to walk upon. Even Serwa couldn't get high enough to take out the wielder of the Spear of Sil. Kellhus could get right up to the top of the Upright Horn, but he might have been using Ajoklian thaumaturgy rather than sorcery.
Kellhus seemed to actually be flying, yeah. That and teleporting. Serwa can't get up to the height of the spearbearer because the Horn has an echo too. She raises the relative frame of the ground, she raises the relative frame of the Ark.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] How big is Sil?
« on: August 09, 2017, 11:26:53 pm »
Yes, but as our own civilization demonstrates, there's a lot of room to game the system.

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I think the only sensible answer to "Who has the worst fate?" is "Every character that ends up in Hell". An eternity of being tortured by Ciphrang seems pretty self-evidently worse than anything that any character in the series suffers while they're still alive.
Apparently there's degrees of damnation even. Some are more damned than others. So maybe Kosoter has the worst fate?

Saubon was a child pretty much till the moment of his death.

Well put.  It's why I find Saubon a more sympathetic character than Proyas.  Proyas is a man with every advantage and no excuses; he's smart, handsome, educated by Akka, loved by his parents and everybody else as a child, and winds up choosing evil because his refusal to doubt, to question, leads him to conclude evil is righteousness.

Saubon is an abused child who sought the trappings of strength and martial glory as an adult to hide the feelings of shame and inadequacy that abuse created. 
I find them both sympathetic even if they're both terrible people. He doesn't just want to be superior mind you. He's not a narcissist. He wants to be good. Proyas' drive to be just and good was so desperate that it destroyed his capacity for reason entirely. But he never did feel secure in it, I think. Akka got through regardless, and so he pretended even harder to be the moral arbiter to compensate for his own fears.

I wonder how he would have developed if not for Kellhus.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Conditioned ground
« on: August 09, 2017, 11:21:55 pm »
A thought regarding why Kellhus went back for Esmi:

He says a couple things to her about why he went back; one is that she is his only darkness, which seems straightforward enough. But there may be more significance to his other claim: "[you are] the only place I can hide."

We know Kellhus has to find a way to hide his soul from Ajokli. My take was that somehow, something about the metaphysics of Earwa allows one to hide one's soul in darkness/oblivion. How those two concepts are related, I'm not completely sure, but I assumed that Kellhus brought Esmenet back to the Great Ordeal because he needed to hide his soul in her shadow.

I think it's just as simple as Kellhus only ever being "I" instead of a place inhabiting a body (as he sees himself when super-dunyaining) is when he's succumbing to appetite, emotion, and instinct with Esmenet.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Inchoroi in future books
« on: August 09, 2017, 07:09:47 am »
I swear they did studies that proved most people would only press the button after feeling they've earned it, and that we seek more complex fulfillment than simply press button -> cream in pantaloons
I don't know anything about those studies but I'd be willing to bet you'd see the standards for "I've earned it" steadily drop over time. Of course to really do the test you'd have to be using opiates or heroin or something since pleasure is a lot more complex than just hooking up electrodes near a mythical "pleasure center". At least in humans. And I doubt they did that.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Inchoroi in future books
« on: August 09, 2017, 04:57:10 am »
I doubt they'd have the will to leave their happy button.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Inchoroi in future books
« on: August 09, 2017, 04:14:46 am »
Those people wouldn't build a world-ship full of living weapons though.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Heron Spear?
« on: August 09, 2017, 04:13:45 am »
It's the same guy.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
« on: August 09, 2017, 03:52:40 am »
Yeah I think the distinction with the Scarlet Spires is that they were the only ones to study it systematically at an organizational level.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kellhus' Options
« on: August 09, 2017, 02:27:10 am »
Well after he broke on the Circumfix, Kellhus, for a time at least, seemed to truly believe the lies he'd spun around himself. Later on, he might want to save it for his wife's sake.

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Saubon was a child pretty much till the moment of his death.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Inchoroi in future books
« on: August 09, 2017, 12:18:20 am »
To be fair society didn't collapse for the Progenitors, did it? They were able to build that huge Ark to try and fix things. Society changed, but it didn't collapse. And even then, a lot of the problem was discovering they lived in a universe with objective morality. Which may or may not be the case in the real world.

I solve the other problem by never reading Bakker's blog.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kellhus' Options
« on: August 09, 2017, 12:14:26 am »
He's destined to be the No-God because it wasn't avoided. He always willn't not be the No-God. What's so hard about nonlinear four dimensional tenses to understand, geez?

Kellhus got suckered into the Golden Room pretty effectively if the plan was to have all of them there. I mean, how were they all supposed to scale the Upright horn that fast even without Skuthula there?

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