[mrganondorf]

YOU'RE THE FUN ONE AT THE PARTIES!

[Madness]

I may or may not compare myself to Cohle. But I am not nearly so pessimistic as he is.

[mrganondorf]

I do not know Cohle

[mrganondorf]

Kelmomas' Voice = Yatwer?

What with Bakker setting up WLW, Sorweel, and Fanayal as potential narindar, could some or all of these guys be decoys to distract us from Yatwer using Kelmomas?  Others have pointed out that Kelmomas' birth after the strange things may signal divine intervention, so what if it is Yatwer, setting up Kelmomas as the one who will kill Kellhus?  An exhausted Kellhus warped back vs the clever Kelmomas might be a match...

[Wilshire]

Its all about stepping into the impossible moment that Kellhus could not have seen. This is one of the reasons I think him being exhausted after his teleportation is a lie. An easy way to stop a would be assassin who thinks they are hitting him when he is most vulnerable.

[mrganondorf]

Yeah, I bet it's a lie too--for tricking assassins and for showing a softer side to Esmi

[Wilshire]

I seems ridiculous, but its really hard to believe that anything Kellhus says or does is truthful.

Would the series be less interesting if we could take most everything at face value?

[locke]

Yeah, I bet it's a lie too--for tricking assassins and for showing a softer side to Esmi

not just showing Esmi a softer side, but it's secret knowledge for esmi, her thinking only she knew how much teleportation taxes him elicits sympathy and other emotions of self-flattery that are terrific levers of control for Kellhus.  And he may not trust Esmi.

[Madness]

An exhausted Kellhus warped back vs the clever Kelmomas might be a match...

This is one of the reasons I think him being exhausted after his teleportation is a lie.

not just showing Esmi a softer side, but it's secret knowledge for esmi, her thinking only she knew how much teleportation taxes him elicits sympathy and other emotions of self-flattery that are terrific levers of control for Kellhus.  And he may not trust Esmi.

But the roots of his father's exhaustion stopped short of the deeper intonations that warbled in and out of his discourse.

It's also during this portion of Kelmomas' interaction with the Voice that it is most clear that the Voice both knows things that Kelmomas doesn't and that the Voice doesn't refer to Kellhus as his relation (like Samarmas might, and Kelmomas does, call him father).

[mrganondorf]

Dear Madness, are you insinuating that Kelmomas' Voice IS Kellhus?  This is the agent in Momen?

[mrganondorf]

Yeah, I bet it's a lie too--for tricking assassins and for showing a softer side to Esmi

not just showing Esmi a softer side, but it's secret knowledge for esmi, her thinking only she knew how much teleportation taxes him elicits sympathy and other emotions of self-flattery that are terrific levers of control for Kellhus.  And he may not trust Esmi.

Well, while we're at it, we might as well just discount ANYTHING we think we know about Kellhus' ability to warp.  Maybe he can go from Ishual to Momen in the blink of an eye...

[Madness]

I'm insinuating that the Voice isn't Samarmas but I have thought about Kelmomas being Kellhus' agent in Momemn... which is deliciously ironic.

[mrganondorf]

I'm insinuating that the Voice isn't Samarmas but I have thought about Kelmomas being Kellhus' agent in Momemn... which is deliciously ironic.

The best agent is the one already on the stage!

[mrganondorf]

I'm thinking that Kellhus might be able to do a variation on far-calling--but take it beyond dreaming states and do it wherever he is / wherever they are.

Also, it struck me recently that one of the main reasons to put Sammi in the story was that the twin-staring-thing carried Kelmomas right through the early years until he was bigger and had more control over himself.  In other words, he might have behaved similar to Inrilatas, or at least showed that he was super talented, but he spent the whole time staring.  It allowed him to seem 'normal' to Esmi and somehow 'like' Kayutas and Theli who apparently flowered more gradually.  In other words, Sammi protected Kelmomas from Kellhus' scrutiny until it was too late.

I like Theli.  If she's scheming to be the last Anasurimbor standing, she's doing a heck of a job.

[Wilshire]

I'm thinking that Kellhus might be able to do a variation on far-calling--but take it beyond dreaming states and do it wherever he is / wherever they are.

Like.

Would it be more or less complex to do cants of calling whilst away compared to the transposing your physical body? I wonder...