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Oh yeah, Dunyain are almost as other as the Nonmen or the Inchoroi at this point. I suppose that is a fair guess as well.

I don't know which of the three, given the choice, that I would pick to know more about.

[What Came Before]

I note that in at least one of the books, what (has) comes before actually comes after.

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Say what, lockesnow... seeking clarification.

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as the internet is fond of saying, quote or it didn't happen .
Really though, where at?

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I was referring the section 'what has come before' occuring at the END of the book.  It was not before the text, it was after

logically such a section should also include the text of that particular volume.

unless of course what comes before the what comes before determines what comes after and the WCB section would necessarily be different if placed BEFORE by the author.

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Chalk this one up as "over my head".

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Is that a suggestion for the next book, lockesnow? If not, which book previously has the WHCB section at the end of the book?

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The Judging Eye

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The Judging Eye

First edition, hard cover, USA

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Is that a suggestion for the next book, lockesnow? If not, which book previously has the WHCB section at the end of the book?

I couldn't remember, I only remembered my amusement that the what comes before came after.

I also find it amusing that the what comes before does not include all that came before it.  It comes after but is incomplete, since it doesn't include a summation of TJE that it comes after.

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Interesting. Figured it was TJE as it is the only one I don't have an extra copy at home for rereading...

[mrganondorf]

I admire your resolve to avoid reading the table of contents!  I do not think I have any chance at not looking! 

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About that Heron Spear--it's got to be a tricky thing for Kellhus either he

A--Found it, but how can he be sure that it's the right one?  Testing it might break it and/or call unwanted attention.  How can he not test it?  If he's got it and he knows he's got it, then he can pull some sweet bluffs against the Consult, have decoys made and lost.  Aurang returns to the Ark, having successfully restolen the HS, Aurax says UPS brought something, it's opened, its a whole crate of Heron Spears.  I think it unlikely that Kellhus would have the time/energy to make his own weapons of light.  Maybe Moe or the the Dunyain or Isterebinth or Eanna could do it.

B--Did not find it.  Cannot know that the Consult don't have it, whatever the interrogated skinspies say.  Cannot bluff.  If the Consult pretend to drop the HS somewhere, Kellhus could pretend to be taken in by the ruse.  Hmm?

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Stupid admission: back when I first read about the HS being lost in a Scylvendi invasion, I imagined that it would be found, ultimately, in Cnaiur's stuff.  That the "white yaksh" referred to a chieftan's tent pole--the HS painted white and hiding in plain sight.    The damn thing could be quite big as an Inchoroi spear.

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@ lockesnow - woowee!!!  I had never thought of Akka's last dream in TTT as implying that the HS was depleted and thus Mog was destroyed by other means!  That's a mindbomb!  Would Kellhus be able to ascertain this through interrogating Mandate, Seswatha hypnosis, examining the heart?  If he's found it out, he may know the special bit o' gnosis that gets the job done.

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@ Triskele - True about Cnaiur getting the same titles as Mog, but I also note that Mog is known as the whilrwind, same as how Cnaiur sees Kel.  I'm thinking it's a shit load of nonsense to throw us off the track!  Ieva is the No-God!

[mrganondorf]

Did not see Atrithau in the above lists--got to be an Atrithau chapter.

[Madness]

Lol - Anarcane Ground could be the biggest red-herring... but I think that it's Kellhus' City of Solitude. He probably went back after and ruled a little society in miniature capitalizing on his earlier adunyani conditioning. Or just murdered everyone in his scourge of the Demua mountains and his past .

[Wilshire]

his scourge of the Demua mountains and his past .

One cannot guard against a secret.