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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers]The effects of Chorae
« on: August 01, 2017, 06:46:07 pm »
I sure would like to have an appendix entry talking about the Aporos, because I sure am curious about Chorae considering how prominently they figure into the story, yet none of the characters seem very interested in knowing how they were created or how they work.

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Now of course i could be wrong and Kellhus is blind to her (as he says) and motherly love might be beyond his knowledge, and i'm inventing this narrative.

I don't think he claims to be blind to her, just to his own motivation when it comes to her. But I think he couldn't have predicted she would act the way she did. When he "armed" her against Inrilatas, he also armed her against himself. Like Moe sr. made Cnair hard to predict and control, Kellhus himself made her hard to predict and control. I don't think it's so much motherly love as being able to see through Dunyain manipulation making her actions unpredictable. But she has conflicting emotions about her kids probably also complicates things.

In TPON, Kellhus reveals some of the Dunyain weaknesses when dealing with mortal souls. They do not assume they are dealing with rational actors; rather, they assume they are dealing with creatures that respond to stimulus that can be understood by those with the Dunyain gifts, while remaining unknown to the people themselves. In this way, the Dunyain can dominate them utterly and use them as tools.

Cnair is somewhat more difficult for Kellhus to control, and even surprises him at times, simply because his actions have become unfathomable. His detachment from reality means his actions no longer reliably follow the principles of the logos.

By the same token, I figured this was the reason Anasurimbor Serwe was not able to dominate circumstances at Ishterebinth. I mean, if anyone could rally the intact and bring the erratics to heel, it would be a Dunyain. She could have pulled the Tall from the Mere, and shown up at Golgotterath with a pretty fearsome army. But Kellhus would have known that their insanity could not be mastered, and Serwe learned during her, uh, time as a guest of the Nonmen that it was a lost cause and they had completely fallen from grace.

Of course, by that same token, I don't have any explanation why the nonmen showed up during the assault on Golgotterath. If they were hungry for glory and destruction, Serwe would have known and so controlled the circumstances, rather than the clusterfuck that happened once senile Quya found themselves on a battlefield with not one, but two different ancient enemies.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Shauriatas
« on: July 31, 2017, 10:44:22 pm »
Shae is right there, he's the Mutilated.  He resisted and they lost.

This is good. He preserved himself using "denuded souls" in the Larvals.

Dunyain could accurately be described as such.

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Oh and we are all just pretending the pandering Cunny loving 100 foot Dragon dialogue wasn't there, right? Because it felt like Scott was talking to his critics from the first firestorm he became embroiled in, with the feminists.

Dread Skuthula, locker room talker, bane of Consult HR.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Ramblings of a Broken Soul
« on: July 30, 2017, 02:00:14 am »
I view Kellhus as less of a character and more of a setting in the first three books of the Aspect Emperor series. He's the ground upon which the other characters walk. When he is kept remote and inscrutable, it makes the sequences where he gets directly involved that much more profound. But more to the point, his story IS the story of the Great Ordeal, so I expected him to transform one way or another at the end of TUC. I am fine with the way he ended up, it's the ambiguity with the other main characters that rankled.

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I'm glad I'm not the only person who was disappointed by this book. The Great Ordeal was such a wonderful setup and this could have wrapped up the series as nicely as The Thousandfold Thought did for TPON, which holds a place in my heart as an absolute masterpiece of fantasy writing.

I don't know what happened during the writing of The Unholy Consult, but the wheels completely fell off. The parts of the story that are actually intriguing are few and far between, which is pretty uncharacteristic for this author. I think my favorite part of the whole novel was a throwaway section where Aurang sits on the horn and reminisces about the different names he's had since Arkfall.

There could have been chapters for key members of the Consult as they prepare for the arrival of the great ordeal, and I bet it would have been great reading. But instead, we got 200 pages of MEAT MEAT MEAT and it got to the point where the sodomy, cannibalism, and insanity of the believer kings became boring to read about. Yes, yes, we get it, THE MEAT!

And look, I don't need a happy ending. I was half expecting Kellhus to sacrifice the great ordeal just like he assumed his father would do. Even the Golgotterath-torpos-possession thing had promise, but for some reason we just kinda glossed over that. The ending we got though, that was insulting. Yeah, we know how the Great Ordeal ends, but what about the characters that are still alive? You know, the things that keep us engaged in the story? And why even bother with the boring appendices that don't reveal any new insight?

So for anyone else annoyed by this "finale", just add this after the final sentence.

"Tsuramah waxed quite phallically, strung like a bow across the horizon. Kayutas, Serwe, Esmenet, Achamian, Mimara, Mimara's baby, Mohengus, and all Scylvendi, Nonmen, and Ordeal forces were consumed. Everyone went to hell except Mimara, Esmenet, and maybe Mimara's baby? The (now skeletal) Cnair urs Skiotha remains animated by hell demons and rides the whirlwind on a nimil surfboard."

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