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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 04, 2015, 08:50:15 pm »
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They aren't just eliminating the eyes the Mandate has, they are replacing them as well.

But, how can the impersonate a sorceror without a soul, and therefore without the Mark? As far as we know Simas is a total anomaly.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 04, 2015, 03:25:11 am »
As to who would be killing Mandate spies the answer is clearly the Consult. Think about it, they are positioned everywhere. Skeaos, has the Emperor's ear, Sarcellus that of the Shriah, the King of High Anion is himself a Skin-Spy. They have Simas in the Mandate and are using him to eliminate the only people in all of the Three-Seas that even believe in the Consult. One thing does bother me about it though, why let Akka live?

Also, they can see Seswatha through them. So they know who's Mandate right off the bat.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 03, 2015, 09:39:01 pm »
Geshrunni and Skin-Spy:

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The Javreh Captain smiled. Maybe he’s just a fool. A dangerous, drunken amiability seized his manner. He walked up to the man, placed a callused hand on his padded shoulder. He could smell jasmine.

Sarcellus, with Akka and Inrau:

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The Shrial Knight negotiated the intervening tables and patrons in a brusque manner, pausing once to firmly press a stumbling teamster from his path. He was lean and patrician tall, clean-shaven with short jet -black hair . The white of his elaborate tunic seemed to shrug off every shadow, but for some reason his face did not. He arrived bearing the scent of jasmine and myrrh.

Those are the ones in I've come across so far, I believe I have others highlighted throughout the books.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 03, 2015, 01:30:44 pm »
Sarcellus has already been replaced, and he's speaking to Seswatha not Akka. Also note everytime a Skin-Spy is near the POV notes the smell of jasmine or Myrrh or both. No time to quote but I will shortly.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 03, 2015, 12:44:52 am »
Quote from: Wilshire on December 03, 2015, 12:20:01 am
Quote from: locke on December 03, 2015, 12:07:36 am
Why do we think the consult was eliminating mandate spies right on the cusp of the Holy war? What's the motive in moving against them for the consult at this time? The consult doesn't try to kill aka they just monitor his movements.
Who can fathom the consult... But more importantly, if not the Consult, then there is a Mandate defector, which makes far less sense. Who else could hunt and kill all of the Mandate's informants?

Right, its Simas. Who else would know the locations of all Mandate spies.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 02, 2015, 04:59:12 pm »
I'd say with 100% certainty Simas is a Skin-Spy at this point. Here's why. At the end of the chapter, when Nautzera and Simas are discussing if they told Akka enough to keep him safe, they mention that the Mandate had been infiltrated. It why's there spies were being outed left and right. Simas is the traitor.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 02, 2015, 03:44:34 pm »
geoffrobro, yes, but Simas the Skin-Spy is different, an anomaly so to say. He gained a soul and would therefore be able to grasp a paradox. Because, I often wondered how a Skin-Spy, with no soul would not be detected by the others in the Mandate. Because if you use sorcery, you gain a mark. No soul=no Mark.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 02, 2015, 02:54:30 pm »
I absolutely agree Wilshire. It was just something that struck me, as I was looking to see if Simas is a Skin-Spy at the moment. I really enjoy this type of reread, taking it slow and discussing the nuances and hidden gems. First time I've done a group reread and I just hope we dont go lax on offering insights and new finds.

ETA: I'd like Camlost to create a new thread every Sunday and the amount to be read and discussed. Make it easier and I know how much time I have to really look for new clues. It helps, and Camlost has done a great job organizing this. Appreciate your efforts Camlost!

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 02, 2015, 12:56:46 pm »
I read Chapter 2 last night and thought I found a clue that Simas is indeed a Skin-Spy at this time.

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There’s strength in scepticism,” Simas continued. “Those who believe thoughtlessly in dangerous times are the first to die. But these are dangerous times, Achamian. More so than in many, many years. Perhaps dangerous enough to be sceptical even of our scepticism, hmm?” Achamian turned to him, caught by something in his tone. Simas’s gaze faltered. A small struggle darkened his face.

Meh, could be nothing. But, the small struggle is what made me think it was a clue that he was. Like the skin-spy thought Akka could tell something was amiss.

ETA: Ooh, and another thing, Nautzera talking about skeptics, as in those that think the Consult is no longer. Chasing ghosts. Wouldn't that be the main goal of Simas inside the the Mandate?

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer [Spoilers]
« on: December 01, 2015, 05:05:17 pm »
H.,

I'm not saying Kelhuss is infallible, only I believe he can and is and has manipulated the Outside. Dont really want to get ahead of the conversation here, but on example of manipulating the Outside could be Serwe's heart or going to the Outside and hunting Chiprang. I believe Kelhuss is fully in control, only his decisions will come into question. There is plenty of evidence to say he's wrong about things.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer
« on: December 01, 2015, 03:03:41 pm »
At this point, and what we of the rest of the story, I'd have to say Kellhus is manipulating the Outside. Thanks for putting into perspective H. That makes sense, and I'd love to know exactly what the Outside is.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: The Slog TDTCB - Part One: Prologue & The Sorcerer
« on: December 01, 2015, 01:12:57 pm »
Great analysis guys. I picked up on the incandescence also and could very well be Moe watching Kellhus. Camlost, a elju is someone who keeps the memories of a Nonman. The captain was Nil'gaccas elju.

One thing I picked up on that I hadn't noticed before. Is a quote at the very beginning of the prologue and something Kellhus ruminates to himself.

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Thus we shall define the soul as follows: that which precedes everything.

Kelhuss
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But what came before , the Dûnyain had learned, was inhuman

If the soul precedes everything, and what came before is inhuman, then what's that say about the soul? And, the soul being what the fight is about in these books, I found that very interesting.

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General Earwa / Re: The Slog of Slogs: A TSA Reread
« on: December 01, 2015, 01:05:34 am »
And thus the Slog begins. Rejoice in the madness that will follow fellow Bakkerite's! I shall read and post my thoughts later. As I feel this reread will enlighten me to all that is Unholy and I will unlock the secret of The Thousandfold Thought. Or, I'll just post my repetitive thoughts. Anyway, I've consumed my Quirri (Monster Import) and I'm game baby!

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General Earwa / Re: The Slog of Slogs: A TSA Reread
« on: November 22, 2015, 07:40:43 pm »
I can start whenever and read whatever is suggested. I just hope something is agreed upon and set in stone. This is exactly what we need to be tuned in and ready for all that's Unholy. I know its not The Unholy Consult anymore, but in my mind it is.

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General Earwa / Re: The Slog of Slogs: A TSA Reread
« on: November 16, 2015, 11:54:43 pm »
I'm in for this too. What I recommend is when we start this is some sort of schedule. Like we have a week to read so many chapters, then on Sunday discussion will start on those chapters. I'm sure someone can figure a schedule out that will coincide with the release of TGO. It will get us all brushed up and ready to dive into all that is unholy.

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