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Title: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:57:17 pm
Quote from: Madness
The schedule for February and March is out at CBC Radio and word on Bakker's facebook page is that the episode with him, Cordelia Fine, and others:

Monday, March 18

THE FOOL’S DILEMMA
Bertrand Russell said “the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, while the intelligent are full of doubt”. Recent research in psychology suggests that our confidence often exceeds our competence. Our brains, researchers claim, take shortcuts and jump to conclusions that flatter us. Can we accurately assess what we know, or are we all subject to the fool's dilemma? Author Laura Penny talks to psychologists and writers about new perspectives on the age-old philosophical problem of human ignorance and self-delusion.

Ideas Schedule March (http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/march-2013-print.html)
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:57:24 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Thanks for the heads up, Madness!
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:57:34 pm
Quote from: Madness
I can't wait to see who else is on with them. Fine and Bakker already seem like match made for each other.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:57:42 pm
Quote from: Duskweaver
Hmm... what is this unfamiliar feeling?

Is it... envy of Canadians? :o :P

(Like our own BBC, it seems the CBC doesn't allow foreigners to listen to its internet stream. :evil: )
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:57:50 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Quote from: Duskweaver
(Like our own BBC, it seems the CBC doesn't allow foreigners to listen to its internet stream. :evil: )
TELL ME...WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY SAYING!? I CANNOT HEAR! TELL ME!

(funny sig, btw, Dusk!)
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:57:57 pm
Quote from: Madness
Psh. I'll record it as a safeguard but I'll make a point to try and get the file.

We'll not let such simple obstacles stop us.

At the very least, you can always find transcripts online.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:58:04 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Aww, tone, man! Transcripts lose tone!

It's what shows important (and lets Cish cast magic!)
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:58:11 pm
Quote from: Madness
I'll do my best... it'll get disseminated, somehow, someway.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:58:18 pm
Quote from: Madness
Just found out Bakker's programming is interrupted as scheduled; see https://www.facebook.com/RScottBakker (https://www.facebook.com/RScottBakker).
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 02, 2013, 02:58:26 pm
Quote from: Meyna
"Not ready," indeed! I hope it's only a minor glitch.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Callan S. on June 03, 2013, 03:47:16 am
So what happened with that in the end?
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: What Came Before on June 03, 2013, 04:16:32 pm
It still hasn't aired and isn't listed on CBC's upcoming schedules.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Madness on July 15, 2013, 04:40:06 pm
NEWS!

I called CBC again today and it was revealed to me that the producer for Paul Kennedy's Ideas has been dealing with possibly life-compromising health problems. The show is on repeat until the end of August and as of the first week of August we should have a fall schedule online, which will feature Bakker's episode with Cordelia Fine (and whomever else), airing sometime between September and December.

Cheers - and again, I will somehow make available a recording of the episode for the international SA community.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Wilshire on July 15, 2013, 06:47:05 pm
That is awesome. Thanks Madness.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Callan S. on July 17, 2013, 01:34:11 am
Thanks, Mike!
Title: Thursday Dec 12th
Post by: The2ndUtteralString on November 26, 2013, 09:12:40 pm
The show has finally been rescheduled!

Thursday, December 12
THE FOOL'S DILEMMA
Bertrand Russell said, "the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, while the intelligent are full of doubt". Recent research in psychology suggests that our confidence often exceeds our competence. Our brains, researchers claim, take shortcuts and jump to conclusions that flatter us. Can we accurately assess what we know, or are we all subject to the fool's dilemma? Author Laura Penny talks to psychologists and writers about new perspectives on the age-old philosophical problem of human ignorance and self-delusion.

http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/schedule/



I might have to listen to this on the radio in the car before running into the theatre to see the Hobbit at 10pm...
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Callan S. on November 26, 2013, 11:23:28 pm
Thanks, 2US! Hopefully folk can record it for those of us who are in other countries.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Madness on November 27, 2013, 11:49:57 am
The show has finally been rescheduled!

Thursday, December 12
THE FOOL'S DILEMMA
Bertrand Russell said, "the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, while the intelligent are full of doubt". Recent research in psychology suggests that our confidence often exceeds our competence. Our brains, researchers claim, take shortcuts and jump to conclusions that flatter us. Can we accurately assess what we know, or are we all subject to the fool's dilemma? Author Laura Penny talks to psychologists and writers about new perspectives on the age-old philosophical problem of human ignorance and self-delusion.

http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/schedule/



I might have to listen to this on the radio in the car before running into the theatre to see the Hobbit at 10pm...

You're awesome, 2US. What an introduction ;). Welcome to the Second Apocalypse. I'm so excited for this.

Thanks, 2US! Hopefully folk can record it for those of us who are in other countries.

I'll get it done, Callan.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Wilshire on November 27, 2013, 03:50:26 pm
Is Bakker a part of that?
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Madness on November 27, 2013, 05:40:04 pm
Yeah - Bakker mentioned in on his blog previously and it was originally scheduled for March.

I'm not sure if the host interviews each interviewee individually but I'm hoping that is a round table discussion. Cordelia Fine and Bakker interacting would probably make my head explode :)).
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: The2ndUtteralString on November 27, 2013, 09:29:12 pm
Yeah - Bakker mentioned in on his blog previously and it was originally scheduled for March.
To refresh all memories:
Bakker first mentions the possibility of an invite to the show in mid-June 2012.
http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/light-time-and-gravity-xiii/#comment-10432

It was recorded in mid-December 2012 and it was supposed to air in March 2013.
http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/1688/
http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/1688/#comment-15620


So we've only been anticipating a 54 minute radio show (that will only have some Bakker) for 1.5 years!  :D

I'm not sure if the host interviews each interviewee individually but I'm hoping that is a round table discussion. Cordelia Fine and Bakker interacting would probably make my head explode :)).
I hope so too. Most of the time it seems it's one-on-one with the host Paul Kennedy.



Thanks, 2US! Hopefully folk can record it for those of us who are in other countries.
I'll get it done, Callan.
Can somebody with a non-Canadian IP address try listening to a past episode (from all three links) to confirm that recording is necessary?
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/listen/
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/podcasts/
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Callan S. on November 28, 2013, 12:54:37 am
So we've only been anticipating a 54 minute radio show (that will only have some Bakker) for 1.5 years!  :D
LOL, good one! How does he manage to make EVERYTHING a wait!? TELL ME, WHAT DO YOU QUEUE?

And I can listen to those links, but not sure how to make a recording (you never know when the site will make the recording unavailable)
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: The2ndUtteralString on November 28, 2013, 03:52:39 am
And I can listen to those links...
Good! Thanks for testing it. They upload the shows onto the website fairly promptly so you should be able to listen to the show before 4pm on Dec 13th Melbourne time!
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Madness on November 28, 2013, 01:33:01 pm
...

You are my hero today.

Also...

I hope so too. Most of the time it seems it's one-on-one with the host Paul Kennedy.

I was under the impression that Penny is hosting this episode rather than Kennedy - he's not on all the episodes, is he? I feel like I've listened to episodes in the past where he's absent.

As an aside, I will echo my Dad's admonition for any other Canadians reading (though I will preface by adding that I don't necessarily agree): Dissent all you want but if you don't listen to CBC, you don't get to have an opinion about Canadian culture (or argue intelligently for lack thereof).

EDIT:

And I can listen to those links, but not sure how to make a recording (you never know when the site will make the recording unavailable)

There are a variety of free programs available (search Google) that enable one to record audio playing from a computer (even live-stream) at a moments notice.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Madness on December 11, 2013, 03:27:43 pm
Tommorow!

Pretty excited to listen.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Madness on December 12, 2013, 01:02:50 pm
Tonight!

Can't wait for my brain to be further ripped from my skull.
Title: The Fool's Dilemma is out. Have a listen.
Post by: The2ndUtteralString on December 12, 2013, 08:32:43 pm
Can't wait for my brain to be further ripped from my skull.
Then don't wait! It's already up online!

http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2013/12/12/the-fools-dilemma/
(http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/fools-dilemma-1-featured.jpg)
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Madness on December 12, 2013, 08:50:47 pm
Gah!

Why must you tempt me so, 2US?

I will keep studying, I will keep studying ;).

For those internationally who have any issues accessing the recording, I've been given a link for the file on a third-party host site: http://www.filedropper.com/ideas2013121223190

Cheers, 2US. Is it good? Have you listened yet?
Title: The show was ok (not Bakker at his best).
Post by: The2ndUtteralString on December 12, 2013, 10:53:38 pm
Have you listened yet?
Yes.
a round table discussion.
None of this. Paul Kennedy is absent after a brief introduction. Laura Penny narrates. Bakker, Dunning, Gardner & Toplak contribute.

Is it good?
It's ok. It's very much an intro into topics most on the forum have already delved deeply into. I don't think Bakker manages to quite explain the TPB theory to a general audience as clearly and succinctly as he could have (a tough task to be sure!). He seemed less eloquent than the other participants. One particular example he used to explain a brain engaging in introspection, was to compare it to an "anthropologist being nailed in a coffin with an amazonian tribesman". That was just weird to me.
Title: Re: The show was ok (not Bakker at his best).
Post by: Callan S. on December 12, 2013, 11:28:59 pm
One particular example he used to explain a brain engaging in introspection, by comparing it to an "anthropoligist being nailed in a coffin with an amazonian tribesman" was just weird to me.
That's both awesome and needs to be the cover art of a heavy metal album!

Possibly the coffin part isn't needed and suits more as a dramatic container. I mean, to just say both are in a barrel wouldn't be nearly as metal, would it?
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Madness on December 13, 2013, 01:36:33 pm
Have you listened yet?
Yes.

Yeah, I lasted about an hour or two after you'd posted it. Listened to it on the bus home and I can't remember an instant of the bus ride. New Bakker content is rare.

a round table discussion.
None of this. Paul Kennedy is absent after a brief introduction. Laura Penny narrates. Bakker, Dunning, Gardner & Toplak contribute.

I was saddened that Fine didn't manifest. And I can't remember specifically when or if A Mind of It's Own comes up, even though its listed on the Reading List for the show.

It was very much like listening to someone's essay read aloud... disappointed. It would have been nice to hear more of the interview from each of the participants.

Is it good?
It's ok. It's very much an intro into topics most on the forum have already delved deeply into. I don't think Bakker manages to quite explain the TPB theory to a general audience as clearly and succinctly as he could have (a tough task to be sure!). He seemed less eloquent than the other participants. One particular example he used to explain a brain engaging in introspection, by comparing it to an "anthropoligist being nailed in a coffin with an amazonian tribesman" was just weird to me.

Lol - I'm not sure that the program was aimed at those of us so acquainted, 2US.

I think Bakker's deliberation in speaking and the essayistic nature of Penny's format (which obviously involves cutting larger interviews for her 'salient points') might account for eloquence (? - he just seems less likely to actually commit to a statement and more likely to question the validity of what he himself is saying) and coherence.

Probably, Penny chopped off the anthropologist metaphor from Bakker's comparison of the anthropologist in the box to the brainbound nature of self. In a great many ways, our brains became complex by having to account for the indeterminacy of others. It seems to partially explain why we seem to have huge sections of corticol matter devoted to vision and within that, schemas for the different orientations of facial neuromusculature in order to process emotion, etc, etc, down to all the minute possible representations of sensory experience. The brain, in this sense, processes other brains, as it were like the anthropologist who writes ethnographies with invisible access to a living culture from without. But when it tries to turn this cognitive lens on itself, it experiences an inability to see itself as it is because it is bound by its structure.

Lol - in trying an explanation, I felt shades of the No-God. Also, maybe a better analogy would be to ask one of the tribesman to produce the same ethnography as the anthropologist.

It'll be interesting to see if the CBC page gets any commentary. It's always fun reading reactions.
Title: Re: Bakker on the Radio!
Post by: Callan S. on December 15, 2013, 03:50:21 am
Oh, it was a chorae studded coffin!