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Title: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:06 pm
Quote from: Madness
Funny enough, this was a thread started on old Three-Seas by our newly re-active coobek.

I feel it's a thread topic with meat enough to transcribe to Second Apocalypse.

coobek started the last thread off with Kellhus vs. Satan?

I will offer Kellhus vs. Leto II (At the end of Children of Dune)?

And... elaborate ;).
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:13 pm
Quote from: bbaztek
kellhus vs. my depression

"you will die alone. no one loves you."

"truth shines fuck this im out"
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:19 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
Kellhus post meta-gnosis would wreck Leto II post transformation.

Sure you got you super heat absorbent hide, but its the god damn metagnosis. Fuck he could just teleport inside the damn thing and dismantle it from the inside.

Just keep it away from water so it doesn't do the whole exploding fish thing and Kell wins this one.

Lol just thought of the psukari, all that water.... worm wouldnt stand a chance.


Though, Leto II pre-worm when he is just running around with the fish on his body may be a more interesting tale.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:24 pm
Quote from: Curethan
Kellhus vs Uther Doul and his probabiltity sword would be a great fight on high speed film.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:31 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
Dont know the reference, but sounds like the sword and Kell would end up doing a lot of the same thing
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:36 pm
Quote from: Curethan
"The Scar" C. Mieville
And yes.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:42 pm
Quote from: Madness
Bas-Lag trilogy, China Mieville - so says Great Goggle.

And yes, I'm talking Leto pre-worm, fish suit.

I'd say, if Satan gets to bring the whole Christian realm with him, where he is an immortal being in Hell, he wins - not only that, he'd probably get to munch on Kellhus' soul...

Even Satan trapped in mundane form would give him a go, though, I hazard Christian demon powers probably rate about Anagogic Daimos.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:55 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
Hmm fish suit leto....
Crazy speed, self healing self defending shield.

Kell does have that MG though. We've seen some crazy offensive stuff, wonder what MG wards are like. Probably pretty difficult to break.

Then you got the whole prescient thing on both sides. Damned Atreides genes. And Duncan Idaho for a trainer helps.

Tough fight, but I think Kellhus wins. I like the metagnosis too much, and he is much smarter.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:25:58 pm
Quote from: Duskweaver
Kellhus vs. Tavore Paran

Would her otataral sword nullify the metagnosis? Or would it count as Elder sorcery? :?

I kind of imagine them each spending generations marching all over the map, fighting apparently inconsequential and irrelevant skirmishes against countless third parties as part of some grand strategy even the Gods can't follow. I can't decide whether it'd be awesome or the most boring war ever. :P
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:04 pm
Quote from: Madness
Lmao, you caught me right early morning with that one. +1 on Strange Strategies.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:10 pm
Quote from: Ajokli
I'm more interested in a large, pitched battles between Kellhus and say, Andrew Wiggin
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:15 pm
Quote from: Madness
Oh Ender...

Kellhus, Ajokli :(.

Even in a 3D Battleground. Anyone subject to probable action would likely lose against Kellhus.

Kelmomas vs. Ender would be interesting though.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:22 pm
Quote from: Auriga
Quote from: Madness
Kelmomas vs. Ender would be interesting though.

Tr00 dat.

A death-match of the dragonriders would also be fun - Aurang on top of Wutteät, against Eragon on his dragon.

The winner gets to sodomize the loser.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:28 pm
Quote from: Auriga
This idea has many interesting and exciting possibilities:

Achamian vs. Dumbledore

Cnaiür vs. Conan

Kellhus vs. Superman

Theliopa vs. Rainman

Aurang vs. Rapeman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rapeman)
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:34 pm
Quote from: Madness
Wow. You just blew this thread up :).

Fuck... see, I feel like if Rowling had been an adult and let the series age with its readers and characters, it might have been Bakker-esque:

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So in light of how it turned out, Achamian.

Before you ask Gandalf the White over Achamian but not the Grey.

Cnaiur over Conan.

Cnaiur vs. Karsa Orlong?

Superman over Kellhus - provided that Kellhus isn't allowed to have an argument with Superman... Superman's moral principles seem easily manipulated by a Dunyain.

... Theliopa... She's an Autistic Dunyain, basically.

Lol... Aurang.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:41 pm
Quote from: coobek
Cnaiur all the way!

I don't know who Rapeman is but Aurang is the rapeman of the worlds! so obvious.

Yeah. I think Satan and the scores of hell can only be countered by the undead 'Ze Germans' of the Wehrmacht trying to redeem themselves.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:47 pm
Quote from: Davias
Cnaiur would eat Conan for breakfast, but Karsa Orlong is another thing ;)

I no there are many silly comic heroes and villains, but this is the firsttime I hear of the Rapeman     :)
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:26:53 pm
Quote from: coobek
Ender Wiggin from Sci-Fi by Orson Scott Card

Intereting duel I say.


For Nogod sake please revert to the normal forum layout. I stopped coming due to enormous no--userfrendlines invasion that happend from Inchoroi machinations presumably?
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:27:03 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
Kellhus vs. Goku.


...
Goku.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:27:09 pm
Quote from: lockesnow
Isn't Kellhus exactly like Ender Wiggin?  Everyone just automatically loves him because he's the greatest person EVER, and he's also the super-smartest person ever and suffers like Christ, and he can kill anyone he wants to because he's basically invincible (because smartness=invincibility!) but it's okay that he murders because he only murders when he really empathizes with a person, and since he loved/understood them as he slaughtered them it's okay and not really murder...

When I deconstruct Ender Wiggin it really disturbs me just how much I identified with the character as a teenager.  But then again, Superman or Doc Savage are basically the same thing, and can be just as disturbingly deconstructed without necessarily relying on the apocalyptic Jesus overtones of Ender.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:27:15 pm
Quote from: Madness
Lol, got some OSC hate, lockesnow ;)? Empathizing with characters is a consequence of engaging narrative - I'm not necessarily crazy about my sanity but I do wonder at my literary identifications.

coobek, my many apologizes to you :(. There's a notice Chopped/Screwed![/b] (http://secondapocalypse.forumer.com/chopped-screwed-t1279161.html) in the News/Announcements subforum under the Neuropath forum and I will be mass emailing all members after my exam period to crowdsource opinions on a new home for Second Apocalypse.

Wilshire, that would be an intense fight... I actually put Kellhus over Goku, even Super-Saiyen, but not over Gogeta.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:27:23 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Vs Doctor Who

I want someone else who has more faith in things to elaborate first.... >:)
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:27:31 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
The metagnosic wards and cants, for all their might, do not blow up whole planets. Predicting actions only helps if you can counter them. Hard to counter explosions big enough to make craters the size of the moon or dodge blasts of energy moving at the speed of light.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:27:38 pm
Quote from: Meyna
Maithanet vs. Ozymandias

Cnaiur vs. Leonidas

Kellhus vs. Karsa Orlong in a contest to see how many times they can work the word "witness" into a conversation
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:27:45 pm
Quote from: Madness
Damn, Wilshire, you're right. Saiyen over Sorcerer :(.

Meyna, Ozymandias, Cnaiur, Kellhus ;).
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: What Came Before on May 07, 2013, 02:27:53 pm
Quote from: coobek
I think Cnaiur vs Persians...
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Callan S. on May 08, 2013, 04:14:03 am
Cnaiur Vs Preditor
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Wilshire on May 08, 2013, 02:14:46 pm
Well if Arnold could beat predator, I'm sure Cnaiur could do it.

Cnaiur!
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Callan S. on May 09, 2013, 12:32:15 am
I suppose you've got me there, Wilshire!
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Madness on September 02, 2013, 02:28:30 pm
Kellhus vs. Master Chief
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Meyna on September 02, 2013, 05:59:11 pm
Kellhus vs. Master Chief

We'll have to see how gnostic cants fare against any Tekne energy-shield technology. I wonder what witty one-liner Master Chief would use if he were to win against Kellhus.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Francis Buck on September 02, 2013, 06:04:15 pm
"You call those little things haloes?"
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Meyna on September 02, 2013, 06:42:45 pm
"You call those little things haloes?"

I laughed ;D
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Wilshire on September 02, 2013, 07:39:33 pm
"You call those little things haloes?"

I laughed ;D
brilliant  ;D
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Capt.Croaker on September 03, 2013, 02:47:52 pm
how about
kellhus vs. Lady.....no
 
kellhus vs. The Dominator.....
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Callan S. on September 04, 2013, 12:18:22 am
Kellhus promptly beats him up, seals his metal limbs together, and puts chorae around him to protect from further sorcieries, creating a floating sacophagus...

YOU MUST TELL ME...WHO DO I PWN?

Okay, just trying to keep up with Francis... >:)
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Francis Buck on September 04, 2013, 01:56:01 am
On a more serious note (or at least, as serious as this topic can possibly be), a Terminator/Spartan-esque being might actually be a good opponent for Kellhus. If not in direct battle, what with magic and all, then at least in general social/political interaction. It depends on the A.I., of course, but in a way the Dunyain basically do interact with humans as an A.I. would. Pure logic (though, as we know, even Kellhus isn't immune to some slight pangs of emotion, however rare and fleeting).

The Consult better get working on that Terminator skin-spy.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Wilshire on September 04, 2013, 02:00:11 am
The Consult better get working on that Terminator skin-spy.

And then use the outside as a time machine, sending back the skin-spy to kill the dunyain before they have a chance to make Kellhus, their ultimate destroyer.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Royce on September 04, 2013, 11:11:07 am
Kellhus vs Magog:)  should at least be funny to watch,and could maybe last more than 30 sec
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Callan S. on September 04, 2013, 11:16:00 am
The Consult better get working on that Terminator skin-spy.

And then use the outside as a time machine, sending back the skin-spy to kill the dunyain before they have a chance to make Kellhus, their ultimate destroyer.
Oooh, and now you can have an extra feminist subtext as its sent to hunt down Kellhus's mother!

Maybe that's what the whole consults 'they made themselves slaves to better own the world' thang is - they sent something back in time (from a period the books do not cover yet), so they are slave to adhering to events that proceed the time travel event. Might explain why they want to follow prophesies as well.

I'LL BE BACK!
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Madness on September 04, 2013, 01:04:01 pm
I very much appreciate what's been done here. Lol.

+1 Tekne Terminator.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Callan S. on September 04, 2013, 11:17:55 pm
Oh, and that makes Moënghus a freedom fighter from the future, sent back in time!

The hollow thing to this is of course the story doesn't talk about his mum at all, so working on a mere assumptive at the moment.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Garet Jax on October 04, 2013, 04:14:07 pm
Kellhus & Achamian vs. Rand al'Thor & Mazrim Taim?

Tag team belt match.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: mrganondorf on April 23, 2014, 08:25:49 pm
Kellhus vs the Raven King

In Earwa, Kellhus; in England the Raven King; on neutral territory?  Raven King.  RK ascended so long ago, I think he's have Kellhus beat.  Maybe if Kellhus continues to pick up skills and powers though.

The Ark, pre-crash, teeming with Inchoroi and all kinds of weapons vs…
The alien thing in Blindsight.

I don't know!

Sarl (hopped up on qirri) vs the Joker

Sejenus vs Jesus in a rap battle

A single bashrag vs Aslan?

A single bashrag vs Iorek Byrnison?
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Wilshire on April 26, 2014, 12:14:53 am
A single bashrag vs Iorek Byrnison?

Love that bear.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Meyna on April 27, 2014, 04:04:06 pm
Kellhus vs the Raven King

In Earwa, Kellhus; in England the Raven King; on neutral territory?  Raven King.  RK ascended so long ago, I think he's have Kellhus beat.  Maybe if Kellhus continues to pick up skills and powers though.

Yes, English magic seems a lot more developed and versatile, especially in the realm of control and illusion (as opposed to outright destruction). Who knows how far Kellhus has progressed with the Gnosis, though.

Kellhus vs. Quick Ben? His skills are equally mysterious, but he has certainly shown the potential for standing unopposed.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Wilshire on May 02, 2014, 01:49:21 am
heh just finished GotM. Mr. 7Warrens was pretty impressive towards the end but I feel like I don't know enough to weigh in here. Like you said, mysterious.

Would make a great battle though.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Meyna on May 03, 2014, 07:03:17 pm
Malazan magery is great! There are a few other contenders that pop up as the series progresses.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: mrganondorf on May 05, 2014, 09:16:01 pm
Go English magic!  Johnathan Strange spoiler:
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Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Meyna on May 06, 2014, 11:40:19 am
Go English magic!  Johnathan Strange spoiler:
(click to show/hide)

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Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Wilshire on May 06, 2014, 12:59:50 pm
Why do you refer to it as English magic?
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: mrganondorf on May 06, 2014, 01:11:05 pm
Why do you refer to it as English magic?

Jonathan Strange is all about ENGLISH magic!  I don't know why it should be so special, but Clarke persuades me completely.

@ Meyna - it's cool that Kellhus might actually be heading in that direction!
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Post by: Meyna on May 06, 2014, 06:38:42 pm
Combining magical fantasy with pre-Victorian English mannerisms was genius.

Quote
"Can a magician kill a man by magic?" Lord Wellington asked Strange. Strange frowned. He seemed to dislike the question. "I suppose a magician might," he admitted, "but a gentleman never could."
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: mrganondorf on May 06, 2014, 11:42:59 pm
I can actually hope for TUC, but I'm sad that Jonathan Strange and The Ladies of Grace Adieu are all we have from Clarke.  Have you tried the audio version?  Simon Preeble readls JS and it is amazing--includes the footnotes!
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Meyna on May 07, 2014, 11:29:45 am
I can actually hope for TUC, but I'm sad that Jonathan Strange and The Ladies of Grace Adieu are all we have from Clarke.  Have you tried the audio version?  Simon Preeble readls JS and it is amazing--includes the footnotes!

The Raven King is too good a character to leave alone for too much longer. The BBC adaptation starts soon, so perhaps Clarke is occupied by that? I haven't listened to the audio-book; I would think that the numerous footnotes would make it confusing, but judging from your reaction that is not the case!
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: mrganondorf on May 07, 2014, 03:38:33 pm
I couldn't've enjoyed the audiobook without the footnotes!  Preeble does awesome, but it is confusing sometimes.  That note on her wikipedia page has said that she's working on a sequel focusing on Childermass and other poorer folks.  But that note's been there forever!  Really, I would prefer if she worked out a lot of stuff about the Aureates.  What I really really want her to write...A Child's History of the Raven King.
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Wilshire on May 07, 2014, 05:50:12 pm
Would you like a jonathan strange board?
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: Meyna on May 08, 2014, 11:59:54 am
Would you like a jonathan strange board?

Thank you for the offer! There is surely a lot to discuss. I would have to reread the book before I can contribute, though; it's been too long!
Title: Re: Kellhus vs. ...
Post by: mrganondorf on May 08, 2014, 06:36:00 pm
Would you like a jonathan strange board?

Done!

http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1323.0