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Title: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 01, 2018, 11:28:53 pm
As someone who has a whole bunch of them, I figured a thread like this is in order. ;) Also because I'm curious to learn what sort of pets everyone else has/had.


So, my pets (from oldest to youngest; quality of pics might vary because I tried to compromise between the best and most recent ones I had of each pet):

Manchas (female, age 14)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2qsmn1x.jpg)

Luna (female, age 14)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/kajzig.jpg)

Cookie (male, age 12)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/b8925x.jpg)

Cherry (male, age 11)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/i5c1mb.jpg)

Sacha (male, age 10)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2146r6f.jpg)

Zuri (female, age 10)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2yowe9c.jpg)

Ziggy (male, age 8 months)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2n9xt2t.jpg)

(Yes, none of them are that young except for that last little troublemaker. We weren't really planning on adopting another cat, but he just showed up on the street one day, we took him in and ended up keeping him for good.)


Oh, and a bonus one - this is Milu, my sister's dog (male, age 4). Not really part of the household like the other 7, but I figure I'd include him too.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/1z4wxgx.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: themerchant on March 02, 2018, 12:51:01 am
I'm a huge fan of the species that we call dogs. Cat's are cool and the ones round about me come up to say hi from time to time.

Labradors and Retrievers are great fun. I don't have any pets atm. I would like a couple of Basset Hounds though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 02, 2018, 12:15:41 pm
I'm a huge fan of the species that we call dogs. Cat's are cool and the ones round about me come up to say hi from time to time.

Labradors and Retrievers are great fun. I don't have any pets atm. I would like a couple of Basset Hounds though.

Dogs are great, though as I said in the Quorum, as much as I love my dogs, I'm still more of a cat person.

I don't have experience owning dogs of many different breeds as some people may have (those oldest pets up there? first ever pets I ever had that weren't fish or anything of the sort). From my limited experience, I'd have to agree that Labradors are amazing dogs. Our younger one is actually the daughter of the older one, and she was born in our house. She was part of a litter of 8 and those were some fun 2 months (all of the puppies except her getting new owners at that point).
Our Golden Retriever doesn't have as pleasant a personality - he's friendly enough, sure, but he's always been more...I don't know, distant. Still attached to his owners, but not as much as the other two. It probably has something to do with his original circumstances. He was given to us at age 1, his owner at the time was pregnant with twins and had a bunch of dogs, ended up giving all but one away (there was a mutual friend involved). Might be he was sort of traumatized by his former owner disappearing from his life like that and so became a bit more aloof as a result.


I don't even know that much about Basset Hounds as a breed (in terms of personality, etc.) but I think you should go for it. :) Dogs are always great additions to the family, even the difficult ones like my sister's Chihuahua.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: themerchant on March 02, 2018, 03:09:19 pm
Basset hound traits

Basset Hounds are among the most pleasant-natured and easygoing of all breeds.

Some are dignified, but most are clownish. Almost all are reliably good-natured, sociable, and peaceful with everyone – strangers, children, and other pets, too. At a dog show, one can count on seeing cheerfully wagging tails in the Basset Hound ring.

This is a hunting hound with a powerful nose and a yen for the chase, and if he picks up an interesting scent and launches himself, your shouting and arm waving will fall on totally deaf ears. "Come" is not a command that Basset Hounds are eager to obey.

Indeed, Bassets are not eager to obey many commands. Stubborn and slow to obey (you should expect thoughtful, deliberate responses), the Basset Hound can exhibit an amusing sense of humor while doing his own thing. Yet he responds amiably to patient, consistent obedience training that includes lots of praise and encouragement.

Basset Hounds live for food, which is why so many of them are fat. They are champion beggers, and will steal any tidbit within reach – and be forewarned that when they rear up on their hind legs, their reach includes countertops!

Finally, Basset Hounds bay and howl (especially when bored), and they are notoriously slow to housebreak.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TaoHorror on March 03, 2018, 02:56:03 pm
( writing with my left hand, so be patient )

ToT - aw, your family are so cute! Love Milu, what a cutie! I'll post what I have, most pics are on phones, will try to get some more. My cat and dog are more than pets to me, they sport my last name on their certificates.

Thank you for sharing - I too am more cat than dog person, but we so love Hershey as much as Ashe.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TaoHorror on March 03, 2018, 03:02:19 pm
Hershey

Age 3 ( we think - got him as a rescue, vet pegged him about a year old when we got him, so we designated his adoption day to be his birthday ). We think he's a min-pin/pit bull mix ). Super high energy, loves to play, friendly and has cured us of our hording by chewing up half the house as well as doing some nice damage to my wife's shoe inventory.

(https://i.imgur.com/O880BP6.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: themerchant on March 03, 2018, 03:40:07 pm
Love them all !!!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 03, 2018, 04:10:41 pm
Basset hound traits

Basset Hounds are among the most pleasant-natured and easygoing of all breeds.

Some are dignified, but most are clownish. Almost all are reliably good-natured, sociable, and peaceful with everyone – strangers, children, and other pets, too. At a dog show, one can count on seeing cheerfully wagging tails in the Basset Hound ring.

This is a hunting hound with a powerful nose and a yen for the chase, and if he picks up an interesting scent and launches himself, your shouting and arm waving will fall on totally deaf ears. "Come" is not a command that Basset Hounds are eager to obey.

Indeed, Bassets are not eager to obey many commands. Stubborn and slow to obey (you should expect thoughtful, deliberate responses), the Basset Hound can exhibit an amusing sense of humor while doing his own thing. Yet he responds amiably to patient, consistent obedience training that includes lots of praise and encouragement.

Basset Hounds live for food, which is why so many of them are fat. They are champion beggers, and will steal any tidbit within reach – and be forewarned that when they rear up on their hind legs, their reach includes countertops!

Finally, Basset Hounds bay and howl (especially when bored), and they are notoriously slow to housebreak.


They sound like a bit of a challenge, but it seems like you are in for an interesting time if you get one (or more). :)


( writing with my left hand, so be patient )

ToT - aw, your family are so cute! Love Milu, what a cutie! I'll post what I have, most pics are on phones, will try to get some more. My cat and dog are more than pets to me, they sport my last name on their certificates.

Thank you for sharing - I too am more cat than dog person, but we so love Hershey as much as Ashe.

Thanks!
Everyone who meets Milu has the same "aw, so cute!" reaction. Then then immediately regret it as he barks and growls at them. He has a difficult personality, absolutely cannot make friends with other animals and hates some 99% of the people he meets at first sight. But he can be rather sweet to me and other family members, since he has known us since he was just a puppy.
Everyone in my family (except for my father, who is not fond of animals in the slightest but has to put up with them...) considers our pets as family members as well, so you're in good company. :)


Hershey

Age 3 ( we think - got him as a rescue, vet pegged him about a year old when we got him, so we designated his adoption day to be his birthday ). We think he's a min-pin/pit bull mix ). Super high energy, loves to play, friendly and has cured us of our hording by chewing up half the house as well as doing some nice damage to my wife's shoe inventory.

He's so adorable! :D
I know how dogs and shoes can be a problem... Thankfully none of mine have done that for years, and they're too old for that now. Luna was the same way as a puppy, very friendly and very hyper. There wasn't anything she wouldn't try to eat. She even ate a glass lens at some point (but thankfully was unharmed). She would eat rocks and any plant we tried to have in the garden and she could reach, chew on wooden tables' legs...it was crazy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TaoHorror on March 03, 2018, 04:33:52 pm
I get the hate, I'm one of those people who loves animals more than people.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: themerchant on March 03, 2018, 11:05:35 pm
Same, in our town people were moaning about dogs in the pubs on local facebook page, backfired as most would prefer no people and plenty of dogs instead.

I love basset hounds the most a wee less than 2 minute video demonstrating the breed, you think with ears that big they'd be better listeners lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hntKbXJRhE
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: themerchant on March 03, 2018, 11:07:48 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yal43C4RIt0 another good one.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TaoHorror on March 04, 2018, 07:15:27 pm
This the only pic of Ashe at the moment. Funny story, the neighbor was feeding a stray and one day the stray had a litter in their garage - doh! The neighbor went around giving away kittens and was pushing Ashe as she was the hardest given least cute - we we're like, awesome, she'll fit right into our island home of misfit toys. They told us the cat was male ( I didn't verify, she was just a ball of fur at that young age ), took "him" to the vet who clarified Ash was indeed a girl, "has no fancy plumbing". So Ash became Ashe since we've been calling her Ashe for a few weeks at that point ( she's a Dolute Callico and looked like ashes to us with her gray/burnt orange colors ). I only put the link, the picture shows up huge pasted in here.

https://i.imgur.com/6IS9M1n.jpg
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 04, 2018, 09:09:51 pm
I get the hate, I'm one of those people who loves animals more than people.

To be perfectly honestly, I also feel that animals are better than the vast majority of humans. A feeling which can get stronger depending on the day. ;)


Same, in our town people were moaning about dogs in the pubs on local facebook page, backfired as most would prefer no people and plenty of dogs instead.

I love basset hounds the most a wee less than 2 minute video demonstrating the breed, you think with ears that big they'd be better listeners lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hntKbXJRhE

So stubborn, they just don't care at all, do they? Silly dogs. :D


This the only pic of Ashe at the moment. Funny story, the neighbor was feeding a stray and one day the stray had a litter in their garage - doh! The neighbor went around giving away kittens and was pushing Ashe as she was the hardest given least cute - we we're like, awesome, she'll fit right into our island home of misfit toys. They told us the cat was male ( I didn't verify, she was just a ball of fur at that young age ), took "him" to the vet who clarified Ash was indeed a girl, "has no fancy plumbing". So Ash became Ashe since we've been calling her Ashe for a few weeks at that point ( she's a Dolute Callico and looked like ashes to us with her gray/burnt orange colors ). I only put the link, the picture shows up huge pasted in here.

https://i.imgur.com/6IS9M1n.jpg

She looks cute, though I'd love to see a better pic showing her face (yes, I understand that you don't have any at the moment).
Apparently, it can be surprisingly hard to tell the sex of very young kittens? I've heard that, but it was never a problem with mine, even with Manchas who was around 1 month old when we got her.
"Ash" is probably a gender neutral name anyway, with or without the -e, so you lucked out there. ;) It might not have been a problem if you had changed her name, since cats don't even care what their name is most of the time. I know that 3/4 of mine definitely know their names, and they still like to pretend I'm (or someone else is) not talking to them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TaoHorror on March 04, 2018, 09:18:49 pm
It might not have been a problem if you had changed her name, since cats don't even care what their name is most of the time. I know that 3/4 of mine definitely know their names, and they still like to pretend I'm (or someone else is) not talking to them.

True, but we already had her name imprinted in our heads - we didn't want to change ourselves.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: themerchant on March 05, 2018, 05:06:42 am
I get the hate, I'm one of those people who loves animals more than people.

To be perfectly honestly, I also feel that animals are better than the vast majority of humans. A feeling which can get stronger depending on the day. ;)


Same, in our town people were moaning about dogs in the pubs on local facebook page, backfired as most would prefer no people and plenty of dogs instead.

I love basset hounds the most a wee less than 2 minute video demonstrating the breed, you think with ears that big they'd be better listeners lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hntKbXJRhE

So stubborn, they just don't care at all, do they? Silly dogs. :D


I suspect a wee offering of cheese or another treat and suddenly you have undivided attention :)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 05, 2018, 11:52:11 am
I suspect a wee offering of cheese or another treat and suddenly you have undivided attention :)

You know it would turn out just like that. ;D Ah, dogs.

Those giant floppy ears are very entrancing, though it makes me wonder if the poor dogs aren't super prone to ear infections (I know floppy-eared dogs usually are, my youngest Labrador, Zuri, has been a real martyr with those ever since she was young).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Wilshire on March 05, 2018, 02:43:34 pm
Odin!

Ah, fixed photo size, thanks guys!
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Odin is a pit bull(!). Laziest coach potato I've ever seen, dumb as a box a rocks, content to sleep on or next to you whenever the opportunity exists, and one of the friendliest animals I've ever seen. The perfect animal for me.

Rescued him from a shelter, I suspect he was abandoned and/or wandered off and got lost. Good thing someone put him in the pound and that a shelter took him in because the area we used to live in has a dog fighting problem. He probably would have ended up a bait dog or a fighter, so sad! Instead he's a semi-sentient potato :)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 05, 2018, 03:01:22 pm
Odin!

https://cloud.disroot.org/s/8ddps5dBcxwMiJR

Spoiler for size... Wow that's a big photo lol. Easier to see if you click the above link.
(click to show/hide)

Odin is a pit bull(!). Laziest coach potato I've ever seen, dumb as a box a rocks, content to sleep on or next to you whenever the opportunity exists, and one of the friendliest animals I've ever seen. The perfect animal for me.

Rescued him from a shelter, I suspect he was abandoned and/or wandered off and got lost. Good thing someone put him in the pound and that a shelter took him in because the area we used to live in has a dog fighting problem. He probably would have ended up a bait dog or a fighter, so sad! Instead he's a semi-sentient potato :)


Definitely a sweet potato, Wilshire. :)

He was lucky that you found him, it really seems he could have had a rough (and short) life otherwise.

Also, it's amusing that you named a dog that you consider "dumb as a box of rocks" after a Norse god known for his wisdom. ;) Deliberate?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Wilshire on March 05, 2018, 03:22:43 pm
I can't be sure why, but I wanted to name a dog Atlas, however he's too small (<70 pounds?), so I settled for another deity. Odin just has a nice ring too it. We didn't know he was dumb at the time lol.

He's also not terribly food motivated, which made training him a big pain. We sought professional help - and I'll tell you finding a good private dog trainer and getting 1 on 1 lessons is the best thing we ever did for him. He went from a wound up terror full of fear and anxiety to a lazy, relaxed dog. It was like magic! Highly recommend.

Side note: taking your dog to puppy classes and giving them treats is not how you properly train a dog. Most dogs need pack leaders first, not friends, to live happy and relaxed lives :) .
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TaoHorror on March 05, 2018, 03:48:11 pm
Odin is awesome, great looking pup!

I hear ya on the intellect - while studying their conscious experience is fascinating, the concept of "intelligence" falls short ( Hershey routinely barks at the birds and took him a year to "learn" he can't climb trees after squirrels and barking in a frenzy at them won't get them out of the tree ).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: themerchant on March 05, 2018, 04:57:55 pm
I suspect a wee offering of cheese or another treat and suddenly you have undivided attention :)

You know it would turn out just like that. ;D Ah, dogs.

Those giant floppy ears are very entrancing, though it makes me wonder if the poor dogs aren't super prone to ear infections (I know floppy-eared dogs usually are, my youngest Labrador, Zuri, has been a real martyr with those ever since she was young).

Yeah need cleaning regularly, the ears funnel scents to the nose.

If i get a basset hound i want to name him some grand name like Bartholomew the Duke of the Royal burgh of Linlithgow, and just call him Duke.

Yeah i'll rescue a dog when i get one.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TaoHorror on March 05, 2018, 05:22:58 pm
Rescue is both exciting, hopeful and heartbreaking all at once. Pet stores host rescue days where foster agencies bring dogs so people can adopt them out. So cool to see so many get a new home - but that's the sad aspect of it as well. So many dogs show up that you don't need to show up at opening to get first dibs - they will continue to show up throughout the day. The ideal dog for you may show at 3:00 in the afternoon, etc. We were happy to find Hershey so quickly, but kinda sad thinking it should've been harder, that there weren't so many dogs out there needing homes.  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: MSJ on March 05, 2018, 08:31:33 pm
Ahh, I miss having a dog. But, with a young one at home still in don't think its fair to have a dog and it get neglected in anyway. I told the kids when the oldest reached 10 we'd get a dog and most of the responsibility wpuld be theirs. The feeding, walking and so on. Right now I can't imagine adding the craziness of training a pup, when no still have a kid in diapers....you know.

I hated cats as a kid. Why? I really don't know. Other than long hair cats I'm allergic to. Short hair, no problems. Kids have asked for a cat, and their less maintenance, in my mind. Maybe ill try that out first.

We've tried fish. Ill be damned if I don't kill everyone. I've tried different tanks and followed all instructions. I can't keep em alive.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: themerchant on March 05, 2018, 09:58:50 pm
I sponsor two dogs at my local Dog Trust. Charlie and Sammie, might try and get pictures of them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 05, 2018, 11:03:44 pm
If i get a basset hound i want to name him some grand name like Bartholomew the Duke of the Royal burgh of Linlithgow, and just call him Duke.

A very grandiose sounding name seems like the right way to go for one of these doggies. Who will then likely imperiously ignore you when he/she doesn't want to do something. :P


Ahh, I miss having a dog. But, with a young one at home still in don't think its fair to have a dog and it get neglected in anyway. I told the kids when the oldest reached 10 we'd get a dog and most of the responsibility wpuld be theirs. The feeding, walking and so on. Right now I can't imagine adding the craziness of training a pup, when no still have a kid in diapers....you know.

I hated cats as a kid. Why? I really don't know. Other than long hair cats I'm allergic to. Short hair, no problems. Kids have asked for a cat, and their less maintenance, in my mind. Maybe ill try that out first.

We've tried fish. Ill be damned if I don't kill everyone. I've tried different tanks and followed all instructions. I can't keep em alive.

That's a good idea, about waiting until they're older. We got our first pet when I (the oldest) was 12 and my brother (the youngest) was 5 (turned 6 a few months later). It all worked out well. :)

You should give cats a second chance, they can be amazing pets!

I have never even entertained the possibility of getting fish (there were some my parents got when I was pretty young, but I barely remember them). I view them as even harder to keep alive than dogs or cats with all those minute requirements. I don't know how you feel about that - but I know that I wouldn't enjoy having a pet that wouldn't be able to form even the most tenuous emotional connection with me. I did say in the Quorum that I enjoy cats' more subdued affection in comparison to dogs' "clinginess", but with fish and the like you don't even get that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: MSJ on March 05, 2018, 11:43:09 pm
Quote from:  ToT
I have never even entertained the possibility of getting fish (there were some my parents got when I was pretty young, but I barely remember them). I view them as even harder to keep alive than dogs or cats with all those minute requirements. I don't know how you feel about that - but I know that I wouldn't enjoy having a pet that wouldn't be able to form even the most tenuous emotional connection with me. I did say in the Quorum that I enjoy cats' more subdued affection in comparison to dogs' "clinginess", but with fish and the like you don't even get that.

I feel the same exact way you do. Its just everyone we went to Wal-Mart, they begged and begged. Finally I relented, and gave it my best shot. Just not my thing I guess.

Yea, I've seen dogs neglected because of kids and the like. Dogs are a mans best friend. If you can't give them the attention the deserve, don't get one. I hate to see when a dog or any animal is neglected in anyway.

ETA:
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You should give cats a second chance, they can be amazing pets!

I've been giving it a lot of consideration. As long aa its short hair, declawed, nutered or spayed, is be all for it. Plus there are so many at any shelter you go to. You know what happens if they can't get rid of them....
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 06, 2018, 02:21:43 pm
Yea, I've seen dogs neglected because of kids and the like. Dogs are a mans best friend. If you can't give them the attention the deserve, don't get one. I hate to see when a dog or any animal is neglected in anyway.

Agree 100%. If you're going to give a pet to your kids, it has to be done responsibly and when they are mature/old enough to handle them well.


I've been giving it a lot of consideration. As long aa its short hair, declawed, nutered or spayed, is be all for it. Plus there are so many at any shelter you go to. You know what happens if they can't get rid of them....

MSJ, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, I know this is a controversial topic, but please consider not declawing your future cat(s). It's a form of mutilation, basically the same as cutting off the first phalange of every finger in a human hand. It leaves them practically defenseless if they are outdoor cats/ever run away/etc.
There are other ways to discourage them from scratching things, such as giving them plenty of scratching posts and the like and using anti-pet sprays on the objects you don't want them to scratch. Plus, you can always trim their claws as you do with human nails. Of course, they will grow back, but if you get the cat used to this since early on, it might not be that difficult to have him/her tolerate the experience.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: MSJ on March 06, 2018, 05:58:03 pm
Quote from:  ToT
MSJ, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, I know this is a controversial topic, but please consider not declawing your future cat(s). It's a form of mutilation, basically the same as cutting off the first phalange of every finger in a human hand. It leaves them practically defenseless if they are outdoor cats/ever run away/etc.
There are other ways to discourage them from scratching things, such as giving them plenty of scratching posts and the like and using anti-pet sprays on the objects you don't want them to scratch. Plus, you can always trim their claws as you do with human nails. Of course, they will grow back, but if you get the cat used to this since early on, it might not be that difficult to have him/her tolerate the experience.

Thanks. It would definitely be a indoor cat. But, never having one or knowing much about them, I see your point.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Wilshire on March 06, 2018, 06:30:13 pm
Haha, MSJ, you didn't realize what you brought up when you said 'declaw the cat'. Its a pretty sensitive subject for a lot of people.

I'm kind of not really sure how it compares to removing an animals reproductive organs rendering them both sterile and with permanently altered body chemistry, but hey I wouldn't want to lose my fingers any more than I'd want to lose other, squishier parts...

I don't want this thread to turn into a debate about it though. We need more pictures of furry friends!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 06, 2018, 07:58:30 pm
Haha, MSJ, you didn't realize what you brought up when you said 'declaw the cat'. Its a pretty sensitive subject for a lot of people.

I'm kind of not really sure how it compares to removing an animals reproductive organs rendering them both sterile and with permanently altered body chemistry, but hey I wouldn't want to lose my fingers any more than I'd want to lose other, squishier parts...

I tried to get my point across in as civil a way as possible, as I don't want this thread to turn into a heated debate either. Ultimately it is MSJ's (potential) cat and his choice, I just gave my opinion on the matter. :)

Also, the loss of reproductive organs in cats cannot really be compared to the same thing in humans. Ultimately their life won't be that different in the long term after being spayed/neutered. While losing their claws can impact their life a great deal, especially if placed in a dangerous situation. But I know this is can be controversial for some people as well, so that's all I'll say on this matter.


I don't want this thread to turn into a debate about it though. We need more pictures of furry friends!

And yes, this is the point of the thread after all, so have a few pictures of my pets as babies (sadly, I have no idea where Luna's baby pictures are, Cherry was adopted as a 1 year old so I have none of him, and Ziggy is still half a baby):
Manchas aged 1 month (May 2003)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/o5rxb6.jpg)
Cookie aged around 3 months (September 2005; he had an eye infection at the time, this was taken right after we adopted him)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/24dk504.jpg)
Sacha aged 2 months (May 2007)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/312a06t.jpg)
Zuri aged 4 months (April 2008)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/11r5d1f.jpg)
Milu aged around 2 months (circa October 2013)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/15oymnc.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: MSJ on March 06, 2018, 08:02:56 pm
Quote from:  Wilshire
Haha, MSJ, you didn't realize what you brought up when you said 'declaw the cat'. Its a pretty sensitive subject for a lot of people.

:(

Ummm, no I didn't realize how it could be a touchy subject. As I said, not a cat person and never had one as a pet, ever. The one person I knew who was a cat lover, declawed all his cats. They all were inside cats. I kinda thought it normal......again, I'm sorry. I can definitely see that if they were outside cats it would render the defenseless.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 06, 2018, 08:27:25 pm
Ummm, no I didn't realize how it could be a touchy subject. As I said, not a cat person and never had one as a pet, ever. The one person I knew who was a cat lover, declawed all his cats. They all were inside cats. I kinda thought it normal......again, I'm sorry. I can definitely see that if they were outside cats it would render the defenseless.

Never mind, MSJ. Since, as you said, you're not a cat person, I figured you might not know what declawing a cat really entailed, that's all. :)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: MSJ on March 06, 2018, 08:35:15 pm
Quote from:  ToT
Never mind, MSJ. Since, as you said, you're not a cat person, I figured you might not know what declawing a cat really entailed, that's all.  :)


ToT, I appreciate you informing me. I am against any form of hurt/neglect towards animals. Now, if we got a cat, I would never do that after the information you provided me.

My sister had a dog when her kids was young. She would keep the dog in the basement or on a 5 foot chain in the backyard 90% of the time. Me and her had words many a time over it. I thought it was like prison for the dog. It broke my heart, I would go to her house and take the dog for walks all the time because of it. Dogs take time and patience, if you don't have it or life circumstances don't allow it......no pets. Should be a damn law.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 06, 2018, 08:49:58 pm
ToT, I appreciate you informing me. I am against any form of hurt/neglect towards animals. Now, if we got a cat, I would never do that after the information you provided me.

My sister had a dog when her kids was young. She would keep the dog in the basement or on a 5 foot chain in the backyard 90% of the time. Me and her had words many a time over it. I thought it was like prison for the dog. It broke my heart, I would go to her house and take the dog for walks all the time because of it. Dogs take time and patience, if you don't have it or life circumstances don't allow it......no pets. Should be a damn law.

I'm glad to hear that. :) I think many people may think declawing is more harmless than it actually is by equating cat claws with human nails, it's really not that good a comparison.

That's a sad story, that poor dog. :( I have several acquaintances that have/had had pets in similar circumstances (especially locked up dogs like your sister's) and it sucks just hearing about it and not being able to do anything about it. Fortunately my friends and relatives are more responsible about those things and either do a good job caring for their pets or don't have any. People who get cats, dogs and other animals as they'd get a new sofa or something really shouldn't be allowed to have any pets.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: MSJ on March 07, 2018, 12:45:37 am
Quote from:  ToT
That's a sad story, that poor dog. :( I have several acquaintances that have/had had pets in similar circumstances (especially locked up dogs like your sister's) and it sucks just hearing about it and not being able to do anything about it. Fortunately my friends and relatives are more responsible about those things and either do a good job caring for their pets or don't have any. People who get cats, dogs and other animals as they'd get a new sofa or something really shouldn't be allowed to have any pets.

This occurred with my sister when her kids were young. Her youngest now is 16 and they have two Boxers now and they treat them as they should be. Which makes me happy to know my sister wasn't just cruel, but didn't have proper time for the care of a dog then. Them Boxers are huge and they think they are lap dogs. My mom was mad when she got them, because off baseless stories of them being viscous. They're like two little babies. But, protective. You take them on a walk and see another dog and its all I can do to hold on to them. Well, the male at least, female not so much. I love those dogs and they have always been gentle with my kids. My 2 year old playa with them and its a sight. They let him do anything to them and then knock him down and lick him til he's sopping wet, lol. Its all about how you, the owner, treats a dog.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TaoHorror on March 07, 2018, 12:46:40 am
Agreed - those of us who have genuine connection with our pets are dumbfounded by those who have pets for amusement.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Wilshire on March 07, 2018, 01:11:38 pm
It is truly amazing how a dog will reflect its owner's behaviors.

I firmly believe that there aren't any 'bad' dog breeds.
I also believe equally strongly that not all people should be allowed to have any dog breed. Some breeds just take more work than others to behave appropriately.

They all take some amount of training, but some are more strong headed than others, and people who don't know how to take care of dogs end up making poorly behaved dogs. Toy breeds are the worst in that regard - you have owners who don't have to train their dogs properly because the damage they can do is minimal. No one is calling the police when the Chihuahua bites your ankle. Unlike, for example, everyone's favorite breed to hate - pitbulls. They can be intimidating looking to begin with, and they are stubborn. The owner needs to know how to be in charge because people will call the police if it sniffs impolitely in their direction.

But regardless of the breed, if you treat a dog like it needs to be treated (ie like a dog and not like a human child or a slave) its absolutely incredible how resilient and happy they can be, even coming from terrible situations.

I think people would be much happier with their dogs if they had an appropriate dog assigned to them by someone who knew what they were doing, rather than letting people get dogs because they like how they look.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 07, 2018, 02:38:23 pm
This occurred with my sister when her kids were young. Her youngest now is 16 and they have two Boxers now and they treat them as they should be. Which makes me happy to know my sister wasn't just cruel, but didn't have proper time for the care of a dog then. Them Boxers are huge and they think they are lap dogs. My mom was mad when she got them, because off baseless stories of them being viscous. They're like two little babies. But, protective. You take them on a walk and see another dog and its all I can do to hold on to them. Well, the male at least, female not so much. I love those dogs and they have always been gentle with my kids. My 2 year old playa with them and its a sight. They let him do anything to them and then knock him down and lick him til he's sopping wet, lol. Its all about how you, the owner, treats a dog.

That's good to hear. I do think that most people who mistreat animals like that are not actually cruel (though certainly some are), but like you said don't have the time to deal with the animal, or don't really know how. Which is a good argument in favour of waiting until you are ready to deal with a pet responsibly...


It is truly amazing how a dog will reflect its owner's behaviors.

I firmly believe that there aren't any 'bad' dog breeds.
I also believe equally strongly that not all people should be allowed to have any dog breed. Some breeds just take more work than others to behave appropriately.

They all take some amount of training, but some are more strong headed than others, and people who don't know how to take care of dogs end up making poorly behaved dogs. Toy breeds are the worst in that regard - you have owners who don't have to train their dogs properly because the damage they can do is minimal. No one is calling the police when the Chihuahua bites your ankle. Unlike, for example, everyone's favorite breed to hate - pitbulls. They can be intimidating looking to begin with, and they are stubborn. The owner needs to know how to be in charge because people will call the police if it sniffs impolitely in their direction.

But regardless of the breed, if you treat a dog like it needs to be treated (ie like a dog and not like a human child or a slave) its absolutely incredible how resilient and happy they can be, even coming from terrible situations.

I think people would be much happier with their dogs if they had an appropriate dog assigned to them by someone who knew what they were doing, rather than letting people get dogs because they like how they look.

That is very true. And I can relate to that in how my sister raised her Chihuahua - I love that dog and have known him since he was a puppy, but he can be pretty agressive and antisocial. Never socialized enough or early on with other animals, especially other dogs. Doesn't get enough exercise. Not much that can be done now, since he's already an adult dog (4 years old) and not my dog to raise after all (doesn't even live with me, only around when my sister comes to stay with us every now and then).
Getting dogs based on how they look is such a stupid thing to do. It goes back to my earlier comment on how some people get a new cat or dog as if they were getting a new piece of furniture. Back when my mother got our first dog, she chose a Labrador based on the breed's personality, and it worked out well for everyone. No one here would be able to train or deal with a dog such as a Pitbull adequately, so guess what, we never got one. No problems. People really should do some research or ask someone who knows for advice before getting a dog of X breed because "they looked so cute" or some similar reason.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ThoughtsOfThelli on March 12, 2018, 01:05:23 pm
Sacha is 11 today! Here he is doing his favourite thing - sleeping on my bed.

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