Kellhus and Nau Cayuti

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« on: February 10, 2014, 03:33:25 am »
Kicking off with this.

Quote from: TTT Ch16
Despite the beard, the resemblance to Nau-Cayuti, his ancient cousin, was unmistakable.

Enough to make Celmomas think he is seeing his son in his vision as he dies, perhaps?  Perhaps a hint that Kellhus has authored the prophecy that he apparently fulfills by traveling to the outside where we know that time passes 'differently'.

In TDTCB, when Akka meets Kellhus he thinks he knows him and recalls the resemblance to Celmomas.  This certainly seems to erode the theory that NC is actually the son of Seswatha, at the very least.

Then we have the theories relating to NC as somehow being Mog, and the theories that Kellhus will become Mog.  Relevant and related, perhaps?
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2014, 12:54:43 pm »
The whole No-God is soul-borne Nau-Cayuti... that literally is nerdanel in extreme - the only piece of evidence this is based on is that there is a nameless captive being dragged towards a Golden Room.

I don't buy it.

But equally nerdanel is the idea that Kellhus is time-warped Nau-Cayuti, which I do buy.

But hell, I've submitted that Achamian and Kellhus travel through time at the end of this series to fight the First Apocalypse.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2014, 05:18:53 pm »
The resemblance between Kellhus and Celmomas is odd. They really shouldn't look much alike at all if Nau wasn't his son.

Unless Celmomas' wife was the Anasurimbor, and he took her name when they Married because of the prestige... Then maybe a bastard child from Mrs.  could still bare some family resemblance to the brothers, but still wouldn't look like the father... Unless they are actually brother/sister or cousins  that look similar in the first place.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2014, 09:37:45 pm »
Also, it seems rather strange that after 2000 years of selective breeding that Kellhus and Moe should so closely resemble their ancient forebears.

Nonmen blood dominates perhaps?  We know that all nonmen look very similar...
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2014, 09:45:44 pm »
We know that all nonmen look very similar...

Only to humans. Akka says that to each other Nonman look just as different as humans do.

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2014, 10:16:32 pm »
Well, yeh - Mek recognizes Kellhus as an Anasurimbor too iirc, although not at first.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 10:23:55 pm »
Also, it seems rather strange that after 2000 years of selective breeding that Kellhus and Moe should so closely resemble their ancient forebears.

Nonmen blood dominates perhaps?  We know that all nonmen look very similar...

I really only see 2 options.

1) Its Nonmen blood. If the Anasurimbor bloodline has nonman blood, all kinds of weird things can happen and I'd be fine with that. Hereditary ability to see the Onta,  and remaining similar in appearance through the ages, seem like 2 traits that could easily be explained by this.

2) 'Its fantasy' and/or 'world conspires'. This is one of those things that I'd allow to slip through the cracks. Having Anasurimbor Kellhus look very similar to his ancestor makes for a fun story and adds depth to Akka's conviction. Whether or not this could have actually have happened given IRL Humans doesn't really matter to me :P
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2014, 10:28:37 pm »
Or perhaps genetics work differently in Earwa.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 10:30:24 pm »
Or perhaps genetics work differently in Earwa.
Damn, I was going to make a 3rd bullet but figured that different genetics fits into 2.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2014, 02:00:54 am »
Whether or not this could have actually have happened given IRL Humans doesn't really matter to me :P
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2014, 01:35:19 pm »
Link didn't work. I assume hilarity.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2014, 11:38:53 pm »
Link didn't work for me either.

Could it have been this?

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2014, 12:41:24 am »
The whole No-God is soul-borne Nau-Cayuti... that literally is nerdanel in extreme - the only piece of evidence this is based on is that there is a nameless captive being dragged towards a Golden Room.

I don't buy it.

But equally nerdanel is the idea that Kellhus is time-warped Nau-Cayuti, which I do buy.

But hell, I've submitted that Achamian and Kellhus travel through time at the end of this series to fight the First Apocalypse.

Oh was it you that first proposed that? I've always liked that one, it's my favourite nerdanel , last triology called the first apocalaypse.

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2014, 12:54:39 pm »
Link didn't work for me either.

Could it have been this?

http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/nic-cage-cat-face-3.png

Ridiculous.

Oh was it you that first proposed that? I've always liked that one, it's my favourite nerdanel , last triology called the first apocalaypse.

I want to say that Nerdanel may have proposed that once in the long, long ago ;).

Unfortunately, Bakker has mentioned elsewhere that he'd like to write a standalone of the First Apocalypse (pssh, get real, Bakker - can't tell that story in one book) so that makes me think I'm wrong. Unless he's been playing the long con.
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2014, 10:43:23 pm »
I thought he wanted to write the stand-alone on CC and the first cuno-inchoroi wars?
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