Well, G, when you put it that way, guess it was pretty lame, LOL!

I like your take on my thread here ( was meant more of what parts of the story scared/shocked/disturbed you ), but I like your point and to add we shouldn't be wide-eyed and bushy tailed all the time with the writing ( read: don't know Bakker, but I take it he wouldn't be warm to star-fucking ) - he's human and some of what he writes suffers at times and it's good to provide feedback which may help him improve. That or he was tired of writing that day and didn't have a wild-ass sword fight scene in him to spew it out for us.

Since you have a knack for it, any other weak stuff you've come across in PON? Not sure what you meant by " ... and this isn't a SOLAR" ... what's a SOLAR?

I meant a "honorable warrior" i need to reread these before I post them. I'm typing from my phone and I'm usually posting when I'm at work. I did miss understand your thread  but there had been so many moments that have brought tears to my eyes, giving me the feeling of dread, joy and awe.
Sorweel...my heart goes out to that boy. (I picture Sorweels to look like the kid with the funny eyebrows. Google that exactly thing)

Quote from: geoffrobro on May 08, 2017, 08:54:15 pm

I remember having a "oh, fuck you Bakker" moment in TWP. When kellhus fights the 3 assassins sent by the Emperor. One of the assassins was a Zeumi sword-dancer, as a African-American my first thought was "this guy sounds like a black samurai, this is gonna be a badass fight scene, kellhus may have met a swordsmen whose skills match his own."
But no, kellhus isn't some honorable warrior and this isn't A SOLAR. Kellhus flicks dirt into the man's face and cuts his head off. I was literary speechless and slightly angry. Luckily bakker gave us Pokwas and he was awesome.

The indiani Jones scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs

PRETTY FUCKING MUCH! EXECPT I HAD A MOMENT OF CONNECTION WITH THE ZEUMI GUY.

I remember having a "oh, fuck you Bakker" moment in TWP. When kellhus fights the 3 assassins sent by the Emperor. One of the assassins was a Zeumi sword-dancer, as a African-American my first thought was "this guy sounds like a black samurai, this is gonna be a badass fight scene, kellhus may have met a swordsmen whose skills match his own."
But no, kellhus isn't some honorable warrior and this isn't A SOLAR. Kellhus flicks dirt into the man's face and cuts his head off. I was literary speechless and slightly angry. Luckily bakker gave us Pokwas and he was awesome.

After seeing the game of thrones show go to shit in 2 seasons I don't think I would want to see a PON show. Plus they would Norsirai-wash everyone which would take the eastern feel of the series.

Geoffrobro, but that goes against your argument. Your saying, what I'm assuming, is that her worldview reflects what the Judging Eye sees and wether it's damned or not. You gave examples for why everyone was damned that she sees with the Eye. But, if that's the case, she would be damned also. Her worldview has nothing to do with what the JE shows her.

Quote from: Wilshire on April 08, 2017, 03:41:50 pm

Oh, no, you misunderstood.

I was just wondering who other than Mimara thinks that the chorae are holy.

I'm in the camp that thinks TJE shows the true world, or at the very least shows the true world as it exists for the most powerful/controlling deity that exists in part or in whole in the outside.

I didn't misunderstand you. I was just trying to find a reason why Mimara would see the chorae as holy through the JE, is all. I also assume the JE is the view of the God and shows us the objective morality of Earwa. So Mimara and her worldview and what she's been taught means ABSOLUTELY nothing to what the JE shows her and us.

But that's my point, why is she the exception to her own rule.

Quote from: geoffrobro on April 07, 2017, 08:57:13 pm

But we know for a fact chorae aren't holy objects. She sees it as holy bcuz that is what she has been told all her life. Sorcerers are damned cuz she's been told that all her life by Anoini. The people most scared of sorcery. She has been told the Scylvendi are damned bcuz she grew up in the nasurium where they are the meaning of evil. Even though she technically has met the most "holy" person, a man who has a guaranteed spot in the outside. A prince of hell.

This what I thought your argument was for. You say the most holy person she seen is a Prince of Hell. I assumed Cnaüir or Captain...

Chauiir. Mimara says that he will be a prince in hell, guaranteeing a spot in the outside. And from what kellhus has seen that may make you a chiphang (which is what I think kellhus saw spit and eat that baby in the outside), to me that means your holy, you've been blessed by the god in their sick way. Cnauir has been blessed by the God of war, many people have seen it. Shouldn't more of the People of war be blessed by the god of war. These are his people, they may not worship him in name but they do in spirit. How can they all be damned because of "being Scylvendi"? That is something a Nasur would think and believe. So why does the God of God believe such?

Quote from: geoffrobro on April 07, 2017, 07:23:46 pm

At first I thought you guys were talking about THE the concept not the book.
Mimara is a wreak of a person and the irritation to me personally when reading her is like listening to a friend shit in their parents bcuz they couldn't get their way.
In various parts in the series it's hinted that the witness is what makes the crime, not the action. By that logic mimara may be the greatest threat to existence bcuz she see everything to be damned.
And bcuz of her life struggles and her "placement" in life she has been setup to view the world in a Nansur perspective.
Most things she has deemed damned is bcuz of her Nansur heritages ideas. What Nansur God looks from behind her eyes.

Well, she sees herself as holy and we certainly know that isn't how she views herself. What sucks about equating damnation and the JE is all the people that she is around are damned and it's a small sample size of scalpers, wizards and ancient Nonman. Another example would be the chorae. When she sees it through the Eye it is pure and holy. When she looks at it sans Eye, it's a dark pit of a thing (I am obviously paraphrasing). Yes, there is a chance that her worldview effects the Eye. But, as the series goes on, I find it more and more unlikely.

But we know for a fact chorae aren't holy objects. She sees it as holy bcuz that is what she has been told all her life. Sorcerers are damned cuz she's been told that all her life by Anoini. The people most scared of sorcery. She has been told the Scylvendi are damned bcuz she grew up in the nasurium where they are the meaning of evil. Even though she technically has met the most "holy" person, a man who has a guaranteed spot in the outside. A prince of hell.

It funny in my head I've always thought this is you guys "Thing". In Mandate terms, you, Madness and big posters are the Qqorum. And I'm just some guy reading thru your libraries like "wow this is some awesome shit."

This should give me some incentive to get my computer fix and learn some editing.

But at that time that was all I knew about Akka. All his students kinda ran away from him, his bosses don't fully trust him Cuz of shit he did in the past, and there has been at least 2 child molestations and I'm only like 5 chapters into this book. Lmao this is my out there thoughts on the very first read thru.