[Cynical Cat]

Being damned isn't the same as having the Mark.

As far as I remember Mimara always strongly connected a sorcerer's damnation with their Mark. At least that was my reading of her judgments. It always seemed very interesting to me.

The Mark is certainly a strong part of it with Akka and Cleric, but let us remember what Kelhus said about damnation and premeditation.  Serwa doesn't see most people as real and Kelhus mentioned seeing people as instruments was the path to damnation.  Serwa's likely to be extremely guilty of that.  As for Mimara seeing her as being a Ciphrang while living, that's also the territory of Cnaiur and the Captain and neither of them were sorcerers.

[SmilerLoki]

As for Mimara seeing her as being a Ciphrang while living, that's also the territory of Cnaiur and the Captain and neither of them were sorcerers.

Indeed. I also edited my post above, providing a quote from "The Last Whelming".

[Cynical Cat]

It's a good quote.  Probably her Mark is so strong because of her heinous Anasurimbur strength.  In that case, it's probably the fact that it was a graze that allows her to be "merely" maimed.  It is, now that I consider the matter, one of the few times we see a glancing hit with Chorae on a sorcerer of rank.

[littlegrice]

It's a good quote.  Probably her Mark is so strong because of her heinous Anasurimbur strength.  In that case, it's probably the fact that it was a graze that allows her to be "merely" maimed.  It is, now that I consider the matter, one of the few times we see a glancing hit with Chorae on a sorcerer of rank.

I can't find the quote anywhere, but I seem to remember someone, somewhere talking about how the deeper the mark, the MORE influenced by Chorae.  Kellhus got touched?  Insta-dead(presumably )  Serwa gets grazed, and she losses most(?) of her arm.  Meta-Gnostic cuts both ways, apparently.

[Cynical Cat]

It's a good quote.  Probably her Mark is so strong because of her heinous Anasurimbur strength.  In that case, it's probably the fact that it was a graze that allows her to be "merely" maimed.  It is, now that I consider the matter, one of the few times we see a glancing hit with Chorae on a sorcerer of rank.

I can't find the quote anywhere, but I seem to remember someone, somewhere talking about how the deeper the mark, the MORE influenced by Chorae.  Kellhus got touched?  Insta-dead(presumably )  Serwa gets grazed, and she losses most(?) of her arm.  Meta-Gnostic cuts both ways, apparently.

I remember it.  There's a line about Nonmen Quya who are so deeply Marked that they'll apparently start salting within an armslength of a Chorae.

[SmilerLoki]

I remember it.  There's a line about Nonmen Quya who are so deeply Marked that they'll apparently start salting within an armslength of a Chorae.

The way I've read it, something similar happens to Serwa when she catches a Skylvendi arrow at the beginning of TUC and her arm and fist are superficially salted. She didn't touch a Chorae that was affixed to the arrow, it just came close to her body.

[Madness]

I remember it.  There's a line about Nonmen Quya who are so deeply Marked that they'll apparently start salting within an armslength of a Chorae.

The way I've read it, something similar happens to Serwa when she catches a Skylvendi arrow at the beginning of TUC and her arm and fist are superficially salted. She didn't touch a Chorae that was affixed to the arrow, it just came close to her body.

There are other similar superficial saltings. Kellhus's hand or knuckles, I believe, in TJE when Sorweel first meets him. Achamian's cheek in TJE when Mimara and the Skin-Eaters are carrying him through the Black Halls.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, maybe Achamian just gained a deeper mark due to his exercise of sorcery over PON and the following twenty years, which is why he didn't superficially salt in TDTCB with Geshrunni (RIP).

[Cynical Cat]

In the halls, Akka is punched by a Sranc with a Chorae in it's fist.  That's an inch away from flesh at most. Also, you're probably right about his Mark being deeper.  He whips out a lot of sorcery in the next two books, not to mention the next 20 years.

[themerchant]

I remember it.  There's a line about Nonmen Quya who are so deeply Marked that they'll apparently start salting within an armslength of a Chorae.

The way I've read it, something similar happens to Serwa when she catches a Skylvendi arrow at the beginning of TUC and her arm and fist are superficially salted. She didn't touch a Chorae that was affixed to the arrow, it just came close to her body.

There are other similar superficial saltings. Kellhus's hand or knuckles, I believe, in TJE when Sorweel first meets him. Achamian's cheek in TJE when Mimara and the Skin-Eaters are carrying him through the Black Halls.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, maybe Achamian just gained a deeper mark due to his exercise of sorcery over PON and the following twenty years, which is why he didn't superficially salt in TDTCB with Geshrunni (RIP).

serwe get ssalted grabbing an arrow in the early chapter of TUC.

When cnaiur is dangling the chora over akka at the end of TTT he can feel himself salting.

Dont think any of them are are chorae to skin though.

I think Kellhus has salt on his swordhand in TJE.

[Woden]

Is it possible that there are different types and degrees of chorae?

[boneclinkz]

I sure would like to have an appendix entry talking about the Aporos, because I sure am curious about Chorae considering how prominently they figure into the story, yet none of the characters seem very interested in knowing how they were created or how they work.

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

Wasn't the Chorae that hit Serwa the same that had been given to Sorweel via Yatwer? (I remember it being described as suddenly coming out of nowhere...) Maybe it's a combination of the effects of the pouch and the sword that renders it less effective, or makes it so that its effect is not immediate?

[littlegrice]

Wasn't the Chorae that hit Serwa the same that had been given to Sorweel via Yatwer? (I remember it being described as suddenly coming out of nowhere...) Maybe it's a combination of the effects of the pouch and the sword that renders it less effective, or makes it so that its effect is not immediate?

The Chorae coming out of nowhere.  I was thinking it was little Kelmomas on his way to kill dad, and saw Serwa fighting for her life, and thought 'well, now, another sibling to kill?  why not?'  He knew no one found the artifact on Sorweel, so he could have stopped on his way to the Golden room to find it real quick.

[ThoughtsOfThelli]

The Chorae coming out of nowhere.  I was thinking it was little Kelmomas on his way to kill dad, and saw Serwa fighting for her life, and thought 'well, now, another sibling to kill?  why not?'  He knew no one found the artifact on Sorweel, so he could have stopped on his way to the Golden room to find it real quick.

I thought that too when rereading TUC a couple of days ago, but I'm not fully sure if the timing works for Kelmomas. It would definitely make more sense for it to be him than a random skin-spy/Sranc/other Consult agent.

[The Sharmat]

I think she just miscalculated. It happens even to full Dunyain. Why not to a halfbreed? I'm pretty sure little Kel was being locked up with his uncles during this anyway.