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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] - Cnaïur/Ajokli theory
« on: April 02, 2018, 01:42:18 pm »
Hi Walter!  I'm torn about Ajokli.  Part of me just thinks he's different in degree and not kind.  Yatwer can see sranc but not mog.  Ajokli can't see mog but he knows that he's missing something so he gets a man to deliver a report.  Ajokli knows something is casting a shadow and uses it to his advantage.

All of that makes me think different in degree and not kind, however...

The way Yatwer/Yatwerians regard 'hungers' as special and deplorable is really odd.  Yatwer doesn't seem to refer to any other god as a hunger and no hungers are gods (although there is a part where a ciphrang is referred to as a godling).

Makes me wonder if that is the horizon demarcation in the Outside.  Above the line are the gods and the 'heavens,' below the line are the hungers/demons and the 'hells.'  I have to put bunny ears on that because I'm not sure that heaven is categorically different than hell in the sense that the gods are consuming their pets in both places. 

I get the vibe that hungers are displeasing to gods because of the manner and substance they eat.  Perhaps Yatwer looks down on Ajokli because what he considers food (wicked souls) are filth to her.  Ajokli may be looking to supplant Yatwer and co because he eats filth, yes, but only because that's what they leave him and he would consume all.

I almost get a class war vibe off Ajokli, like he is the underclass, the unrecognized god, almost another Yatwer but for souls in the Outside.  Ajokli wants to overthrow the order not just for food but also for resentment of his place.

I found this thing that makes me think Bakker's worldview can be traced back to...I've got to look it up

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Literature / New Book by Tolkien...
« on: June 02, 2017, 04:13:15 pm »
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-40109396

Anyone read it?  I like the Beren and Luthien story.  Might pick this up soon

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The Unholy Consult / Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
« on: June 02, 2017, 03:59:48 pm »
CONTEST WINNERS!

Randomly selected winners of Advanced Reader Copies of The Unholy Consult are...

1) Walter
2) Redeagl

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

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The Unholy Consult / Re: The Unholy Consult Giveaway
« on: May 25, 2017, 08:23:41 pm »
Legolas kills Paul Atreides with the sled G W F Hegel used as a child.

dear gods!

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The Unholy Consult / The Unholy Consult Giveaway
« on: May 25, 2017, 06:25:33 pm »
Overlook Press will be giving away two Advanced Reader Copies of The Unholy Consult!  Make your predictions for the book!  Who will die?  How?  Who will live?  What secrets will be told?

Here’s how to enter:
- Create an account at www.second-apocalypse.com (if you don’t already have one).
- At www.second-apocalypse.com, scroll down to The Aspect-Emperor link and click and follow through to The Unholy Consult subforum.
- Select “The Unholy Consult Giveaway” thread.
- Post a response to the thread.  Make a prediction about what will happen in TUC!  Come back later for an “I told you so!”

Parameters:
- ONE entry per person.  You can post all you like but only ONE chance to win per person responding in the thread (even if you have more than one account).
- The contest is open from now until 5PM EST Thursday, June 1st.
- Winners will be contacted through a private message at www.second-apocalypse.com and by email (if you include your email with your account).

THERE WILL BE TWO WINNERS!  TWO ARCS!
SALVATION!

[EDIT Madness: Made one small adjustment to your instructions.]

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The Unholy Consult / Book Review: The Unholy Consult
« on: May 15, 2017, 07:42:54 pm »
The Unholy Consult by R. Scott Bakker crashes into the inevitable contest between the Dûnyain-Prophet, Anasûrimbor Kellhus, and the vile Consult hierarchy.  This novel, the fourth and concluding volume of The Aspect-Emperor series, chronicles a convergent conflict, millennia in the making, between Men, Nonmen, and Inchoroi abomination.  Tekne and Logos will vie for the fate of the world, the fate of souls.  The Great Ordeal will traverse the unnatural wastes at the end of the world to face it…the Golden Horror.



Weaving the narrative threads of The Aspect-Emperor into a rope, The Unholy Consult hangs from the Horns of Golgotterath.  The survivors of Ishterebinth make haste to join the Great Ordeal, which in turn staggers in its last desperate trek through the Fields of Woe.  Following the destruction of the Horde at Dagliash, the false Believer-King, Nersei Proyas, struggles to steer the might of Earwa across ashen Agongorea.  Stripped to the foundation of their Meat, the Men of the Ordeal find they must overcome themselves to march upon their foe, to achieve the requisite mad ferocity to topple wicked and alien heights.  Besotted, crazed with loss and bewildered hope, the old Wizard, Achamian, and the pregnant Prophet, Mimara, draw near to gaze upon the Aspect-Emperor with the Judging Eye.  Even the eyes of the damned will stand witness to the Warrior-Prophet’s ultimate disputation of war. Gobozkoy like no other.  As the Great Ordeal unleashes its collective might on Unholy Golgotterath, Bakker rolls into one all the strategy, tactical reversal, and heartbreak of the battle sequences of his six preceding novels…and the Gods play benjuka across the very the plate of the world.



Thematically, the darkness that comes before dominates all individuals through every faction. In a contest of this magnitude, none can be sure their cause is righteous truth.  Meat and spirit, meaning and its wages compel reason run to the end of sanity—The Unholy Consult emerges as the most profuse expression of Bakker’s philosophical viewpoint on humanity’s frame and substance. Stylistically, Bakker furthers the coiled power of word and verse from The Great Ordeal: epic fantasy as adventure and elegy.  This novel is word for word, line for line, condensed, packed, loaded.  In the end, Bakker sparks a detonation proper to the termination of The Aspect-Emperor series.  A rebuke of and tribute to the Tolkinesque tradition, a rumination on holy scripture, and prophetic word, The Unholy Consult is above all a tale to grasp the heart.



Included with The Unholy Consult is an expanded encyclopedic glossary, elaborating on the glossary of The Thousandfold Thought, divulging history, secrets, lies, and promising more.  A particular highlight is a short account concerning the Aspect-Emperor, revealing insight into his peculiar magic and snatched, it would seem, while the Anasûrimbor thought no one watching. Bakker’s, previously available online Atrocity Tales, short stories set in Earwa, “The False Sun” and “The Four Revelations,” are also included as Appendices Two and Three.  “The False Sun” constitutes an episode from the formation of the Consult and their grudge with the ancient Grandmaster of the Sohonc, mighty Titirga.  “The Four Revelations” takes the reader inside the mind of a Nonman Erratic, long-lived beyond all dead glory and sanity.



Tragedy, tragedy averted, tragedy necessary and inescapable, The Unholy Consult marches toward Golgotterath, measuring its path by the suffering of its persons.  This is the seventh book in The Second Apocalypse series.  Apocalypse is revelation.  Bakker delivers humanity, character and reader alike, to the revelation of the fate of worlds.

Behold!  The Passion of the Warrior-Prophet.

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General Misc. / Re: On the Manipulation of Nations
« on: May 12, 2017, 11:26:53 pm »
An interesting opinion piece about Trump/Russia affair:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikkaylan/2017/05/11/hidden-clues-in-the-trump-comey-drama-its-worse-than-you-think/#4c4c7be3dfda

Haha! Nonono! I was just interested in the bit about Putin's playbook :)

Oh MG. I hate Trump as much as the next guy...but you're not buying that this is the first time there has been a manipulating of nations, are ya? I mean, i KNOW you're not that naive. I just find it hilarious that people seem to think Trump is breaking new ground here.

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General Earwa / Re: "Name That Comic!" ..... The CONTEST!!
« on: May 03, 2017, 12:36:48 am »
I SUGGEST AL -- THE ANUS LEAF
Well, MG, that qualifies for the coveted "WTF?" prize.
THE ANUS LEAF JOKE--SARL IN TJE!!!

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO HOW TAE ENDS
...
it is not
"This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang, but with an anus leaf joke."
(with apologies to T. S. Eliot)

holy shit bk--that was awesome

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Crazy speculation only
« on: May 02, 2017, 10:39:42 pm »
Got a crazy idea about what's going to happen in TUC?  Share it here!

For my part:

1.  Moenghus will not re-appear onscreen.  But his presence will be felt -- the longest of long-plays.

2.  The second chapter will involve Proyas converting the non-Scalded to cannibalism.  This will involve eating the Scalded.
 Rather than weep and struggle with the decision, he'll be as passionless as an Anasurimbor.  Serwa and Sorweel will arrive via chariot at the end of the chapter.

3. Kellhus will return to the Ordeal with Esme AND Meppa.

NOT BAD PG!

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General Earwa / Re: "Name That Comic!" ..... The CONTEST!!
« on: May 02, 2017, 10:28:31 pm »
I SUGGEST AL -- THE ANUS LEAF
Well, MG, that qualifies for the coveted "WTF?" prize.

THE ANUS LEAF JOKE--SARL IN TJE!!!

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO HOW TAE ENDS

...

it is not

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General Earwa / Re: Here goes ...
« on: May 02, 2017, 08:15:21 pm »
Lol - he knew basically a little less fuck all than it does now. Which is still fuck all ;).

Old Me figured the the No-God was simply just a tool.  New Me knows that.  So I guess we are getting somewhere, even if that is still the middle of nowhere, haha.

H COMES BEFORE!!!

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hey there
« on: May 02, 2017, 08:11:44 pm »
I'll freely admit to playing way to much D&D as a young man. Deities and Demigods was a wonderful primer on world myth and religion.

WHERE IS GJ?  HE IS WORKING ON BAKKER DND!!!

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Literature / Re: Science fiction recommendations
« on: May 02, 2017, 05:19:35 pm »
I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS GOOD!  THANKS BK!

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Hey there
« on: May 02, 2017, 05:01:12 pm »
So this is a thing here huh? Cool. I'm getting a real "long timer listener first time caller" Grosse Pointe Blank vibe. :D

if someone could just show me where the coffee and cookies are I'll get on with the "Hi, my name is Fenris777 and I'm an R. Scott Bakker fan.." speech.

Technically I got here through Three Pound Brain, but now we're just talking messy details. Anyway, hi all.

HELLO!  WELCOME!  WE ARE ALL HERE TO DIE FOR THE TUSK!

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