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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers]What was the point
« on: July 28, 2017, 03:03:44 pm »
Quote from:  tleilaxu
You'd rather have humans spend eternity in Hell than having the world shut to the Outside?

One, we have no idea what Kellhus's true goals were. But, he did state that it was to the Consult and prevent the rise of the No-God.
Maybe not, but it's pretty clear what would've happened had the Great Ordeal succeeded. Ajokli and his angels casting the world into a new age of untold suffering. Even if we disregard all this, humanity is still at the mercy of angry Gods. Remember that there's objective morality in this world. You can be damned for following scripture that just happens to not be in complete accordance with the Gods' wills.

And, technology (Tekne, No-God) is trying to reduce the population of Earwa to 144,000. While destroying everything in the whirlwnds path and the those lucky 144,000? Well, theyll probably get to be sex puppets for Sranc and the rest of the Consult Weapons Races. So, technology will reduce this planet to nothing, nothing at all for mankind that is. So, how exacrly is technology good in this instance?
That's just an assumption. There's no reason why the 144,000 remaining souls can't repopulate eventually.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers]What was the point
« on: July 28, 2017, 09:41:34 am »
Quote from:  Tleilaxu
I strongly disagree. In a universe with objective morality and hungry Gods, technology is the only thing that can save mankind. Even Kellhus knows such. The fact that the creators of this technology are horrid immoral creatures doesn't help though.
As for the series, I think TUC is a perfectly fine place to end, although we do indeed need at least a big AMA on Reddit or something to clear up questions and confusions. The ending is beautiful and un-expected. One of my favorite characters, despite his spare appearance, was Shaeönanra, so there was some disappointment upon learning he was dead, but overall the twist made up for it.
I also liked how the ending was left open for future installments. Just a good place to end overall.

Uhhh, buddy, technology (Tekne) is what is causing the world to end. I.E., the No-God and all its weapon races. Not to mention what technology did to the Progenitors to make them want to reach Godhood. I think you got it backwards there, but thats just my opinion.
You'd rather have humans spend eternity in Hell than having the world shut to the Outside?

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That's what I was thinking too. Did the skin-spy know, though? That he couldn't be seen by the Gods, that is. Maybe Kelmomas is in a sense a human born without a soul? Also, this has been talked about before in other threads, but what was the reason why Somandutta saved Mimara? Did they somehow know they would need her judging eye to collapse the wave-function or whatever?

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Its a tool that created endless millenium of war. How long have the Inchoroi warred against their fate, how many billions of souls reaped? What a feast that was! And how odd, that a race unaware of the existance of the Outside and of souls, should construct an artifact that but shows them their own damnation.

I didn't say he created the No-God ;) . That creation may indeed lie entirely with the Inchoroi/Consult and, if we are to believe the story, he can't even see it and would not have seen that the gifting of the IF would lead to that conclusion.
Well, the Inchoroi, or their progenitors, must've been quite aware of the outside since it was their scrutiny of the soul that led them to discover they were all damned. I don't know, it sounds a bit too far fetched to me that Ajokli created this thing, which must be as old as the Inchoroi themselves, maybe even having originated on their homeworld, with this master-plan in mind.

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And just exactly why would Ajokli create a tool that motivates the closing off of the Outside, ending his feasting on souls?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers]What was the point
« on: July 27, 2017, 07:33:17 pm »
TSA is a warning to us about what might happen if we let Technology rule us, Nonmen and Inchoroi are both analogs for posthumanism.
I strongly disagree. In a universe with objective morality and hungry Gods, technology is the only thing that can save mankind. Even Kellhus knows such. The fact that the creators of this technology are horrid immoral creatures doesn't help though.
As for the series, I think TUC is a perfectly fine place to end, although we do indeed need at least a big AMA on Reddit or something to clear up questions and confusions. The ending is beautiful and un-expected. One of my favorite characters, despite his spare appearance, was Shaeönanra, so there was some disappointment upon learning he was dead, but overall the twist made up for it.
I also liked how the ending was left open for future installments. Just a good place to end overall.

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Isn't it a pretty important point that the Nonman concept of oblivion is a sham though? At least according to Cet'ingira and the two others who saw the Inverse Fire.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: TUC - Moments that cut to the visceral quick
« on: July 27, 2017, 06:42:51 pm »
I really like the whole section with Agongora and the Furnace Plain, it was really immersive and I could almost feel this fever-dream like state of looking out across a lifeless desert to two Alien horns of ancient malignant gold, nearing the end of a long journey to the end of the world. That was really magical to me. Other than that I also really liked the ending where Kellhus floats down "victoriously" and then there's that thing about "a different World on a different day" which I've seen some people here call wave function collapse, and it also just felt so magical. Despite rooting for The Consult (Shaeönanra did nothing wrong) I felt quite moved when we learn that Kellhus actually died.

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Those look really sick. Who's the sorcerer in the red robes though?
Red Ghoul
I believe one of the nonmen, yeah?
Ah I didn't see the filename and the nimil beneath the robes.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Mu'miorn
« on: July 25, 2017, 03:04:53 pm »
I see. Must've read that part too quickly. Thanks.

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Those look really sick. Who's the sorcerer in the red robes though?

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The Unholy Consult / [TUC SPOILERS] Mu'miorn
« on: July 25, 2017, 02:19:35 pm »
Just a small thing. I noted that the glossary has him listed as living from ?-4132 but I can't remember seeing him mentioned anywhere beside in Immiriccas/Sorweel's thoughts. Did I miss something?

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The way I see it, Kellhus knew what he was doing ("I have struck treaties with the pit."), i.e. he deliberately became the vessel of Ajokli, and it was his plan all along to create hell on earth, as his way of attaining the Absolute.

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Welcome to the Second Apocalypse, UncriticalTheory and tleilaxu and Heavenfall, if I haven't so wished the latter two welcome :).
Thanks.
I really do think that The Consult will be successful in shutting the world off, but maybe a hero will still end up ruining their designs.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kellhus and future stories
« on: July 20, 2017, 02:14:00 am »
Using the university card, a classic.
On topic: So if the Gods were hunting Ajokli to prevent him from bringing aeons of suffering on Eärwa, then I guess it really was true that the Gods were blind to the No-God. So maybe the Judging Eye is a sort of emissary sent by the Gods to reveal Ajokli?

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