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Wait so is it possible that Aurang is near in his physical body ? He usually uses the synthese to get around stealthily, but decided to visit Esmenet in a glamoured form ? I feel like this is the only explanation to explain how in one chapter hes in the synthese and the next hes a human raping Esmenet.

I have a feeling that Aurang's physical form is "unavailable" of sorts.  Perhaps even "inoperable" or simply deteriorated to the point of making travel nearly impossible.  The Synthese seems to have limitations, plus, if Kellhus' later explanation of how it works is correct, take a small cabal to keep it running.  It's really hard to judge if the Synthese is used for security or for easy of transport, or out of necessity.

My best guess is that the "human form" is all glamour and it's the Synthese the whole time.

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First post here guys. I'm not as well versed in the series as some of you. This will be my first re-read and its been awhile since I first read the books. That being said, one of my favorite series ever and am totally looking forward to The Great Ordeal. Hopefully you guys don't mind a pleb like me asking a few questions.

First of which: do we know what Inrau found in Maithanet's apartments that upset him so ? I don't remember any reference to that later in the books.

Welcome.   Don't feel intimidated, we have all just happened to have read these books a long time ago, so we have the benefit of having rhuminated on all this for years and years.

On what he found, I always just assumed it was the knowledge that Maith was treating with the Scarlet Spires.

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Finished chapter 11 this morning.

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Had he seen the bruise of sorcery, he would have thought it a trick, but there was nothing, only a quarrelsome face. He had simply made a mistake.
But how?

A skin-spy that changed it's face once it knew it was detected, confirmed later in the conversation with Aurang and Sarcellus.

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To simply be where the Architect had been! To thrust where he had thrusted. It at once humbled and engorged. To plunge into a furnace stoked by the Old Father!

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“I stand among your makers, and yet the genius of your manufacture still moves me to incredulity.”
“Architect?” the thing called Sarcellus gasped. “Father? You would risk this? What if someone sees your mark?”

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“Has she mentioned her night with me? Told you anything?”
“No. Nothing.”

So, it was Aurang with her that first time as well.

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Roared through what passed for Maëngi’s soul.

Support for the Inverse Fire being the replacement soul of skin-spies?

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Well, we have (most probably) seen Aurax though and it's not with the Synthese.  He's the one at the end of WP that is "interrogating" those people and asking "Who are the Dunyain?"

Yes, I thought about that too. But with Aurang's body back in Golgoterreath, he was only able to possess Esme, I imagine you'd need a physical form to pull off a glamour, hence Aurax.

Hmm, yeah, that could be possible, in fact even more plausible than the alternative.  His MO does appear different, and even that interlude later follows the interrogation/rape theme as well.  Good catch.

The more I think of it, yes, Aurax's physical form is winged, so the flapping makes even more sense than the Synthese.

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Indeed, it seems implausible that a skin-spy would bother going out the window.  Not to mention the seeming use of cants of compulsion, much like when Aurang comes to her a second time later.

Well, we have (most probably) seen Aurax though and it's not with the Synthese.  He's the one at the end of WP that is "interrogating" those people and asking "Who are the Dunyain?"

Finished chapter 10 also.  Yet another where I have probably missed something, but I didn't find anything particularly noteworthy.

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The Slog continues.

Boss is away, so we mice may play.  I just finished Chapter 9.

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I survived, Akka. And I did not survive.
Esmenet stooped before the child and astounded her with the gold talent.
“Here,” she said, pressing it into small palms.
So like my daughter.

I never realized the extreme nature of this spoiler.  At first reading, I thought that the child reminded her of Mimara.  Yet, on rereading, the two italicized (they are so in the text as well) lines are really one line.

Also, I think there is the possibility that the smell of myrrh is actually that of the Synthese, considering it is present when Aurang comes to Esme in this chapter, then flying away.

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General Earwa / Re: TSA related art and stuff. (V)
« on: December 10, 2015, 02:22:17 pm »
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You are on a tear lately!  Never enough Wracu though.  I'm a sucker for landscapes too.

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H, and right before Skeaös leads him up the stairs and Conphas is trying to get him to succumb to the clutch, Conphas says,

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He stood and looked down on the wizened man. “Lead on, old father.

There are just too many references to the Consult in there. Plus, the fact that Skeaös isn't winded at all, and lies to Conphas. Its pretty clear he is a Skin-Spy now.

Yeah, it's just odd that Conphas is saying it there, but reference is reference.

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Just finished chapter 8.

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When several thousand Tydonni who’d contracted his ships defaulted on their payment, he sent them to the island of Pharixas, an old pirate stronghold of King Rauschang of Thunyerus, demanding they storm the island in lieu of monies owed. They did, and with abandon. Thousands of innocents perished. Inrithi innocents.

Not of real interest to the series, but this is no doubt a reference to the real world Fourth Crusade, while the Vulgar Holy War is a reference to the People's Crusade.

More here evidence that Skeaös is now replaced, being that he does not at all tire from the climb of the stairs and also his change of heart on sacrificing the Holy War.

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But this plan of your uncle’s—to deliver a Holy War to its destruction! A Holy War! I fear for my soul, Ikurei Conphas. My soul!”

If we presume that Skeaös is now a skin-spy, I think what it talks about now is not it's soul (we know it has none), but rather it's the Consult's souls at stake.  In fact, Skeaös continues:

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“No. I care nothing for Maithanet—or Shimeh, for that matter . . . You’re young. You wouldn’t understand my motives. The young can never see life for what it is: a knife’s edge, as thin as the breaths that measure it. What gives it depth isn’t memory. I’ve memories enough for ten men, and yet my days are as thin and as shadowy as the greased linen the poor stretch over their windows. No, what gives life depth is the future. Without a future, without a horizon of promise or threat, our lives have no meaning. Only the future is real, Conphas, and unless I make amends to the gods, I’ve no future left.”

I could easily see this as Aurang's words, explaining why the world needs to be closed.  In fact, perhaps they are...

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“It’s not the feast we dispute,” Skeaös replied, “it’s the price! Surely you can see this!”

A very Consult statement here, it would seem to me.

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On previous reads I felt that Istriya was replaced only after Skeos was ousted. But I noted as you all did, that every time she shows up it is mentioned in some way or another that she appears different.

Going back to some earlier notes though, it doesn't appear that mhyrr every comes up with her or skeos.

Yeah, the mention of myrrh is missing from both of them the whole time, which it's not clear is just coincidence or purposeful.

One thing is that Skeaös and Istriya's interaction here seems to point at them not being on the same page, which, if they are both skin-spies, they certainly would be.  Textual evidence certainly seems to point to Istriya being the replaced one already, so that leaves Skeaös as the one not yet so.

I might mention this in my other post about potential sons of Moenghus, but I'll note jere that conphas is 27 years old (mentioned at the end of this section) and his father is unknown. Cnaiur mentions "29 years ago" is when moenghus passes through his tribe. So about 1 year in the wilderness before he meets the Utemont... that leaves about 15 months of unknown whereabouts before Istriya's half sister is impregnated with Conphas. So there's that.

I'm not sure I'll bite on that.  My feeling is that Moe went right from the Scylvendi to the Fanim.  If he stopped in Nansur, why would he not have simply infiltrated the Thousand Temples or the Imperial Siak?  IIRC, it's mentioned that Moe just comes out of the desert.

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Chapter 7, as had been noted before, it is mentioned that Istriya is probably already replaced before this, but she almost certainly is now:

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As always, she looked an old whore playing the coquette. But there was something in her expression. She seemed different somehow.

Her change is not just in looks however:

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Istriya had always goaded him, but never had she pressed her banter so close to sedition.

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“I’ve never known you to be impolitic, Mother . . . Only to appear so.”

Not only this, but while i previously thought that Skeaös was already replaced and Istriya would be later, I think it is the reverse:

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But Istriya’s gaze had drifted to the Prime Counsel. “You’ve been awfully silent, Skeaös.”
“It’s not m-my place to speak, Empress.”
“No? But this mad scheme is yours, isn’t it?”
“It’s mine, Mother,” Xerius snapped, irked by her assumption. “The wretch has spent tedious weeks trying to talk me out of it.” Even as he gave breath to these words, he knew he’d blundered.
“Is that so? And why’s that, Skeaös? As much as I despise you and the inordinate influence you have over my son, I’ve always found your thinking sound. What insights have you to shed?”
Skeaös stared at her helplessly, said nothing.
“You fear for your life, don’t you, Skeaös?”

I think it is after this that Skeaös is replaced.  The Consult realizes here that Istriya is not going to be able to guide the Emperor to where they need him to be.  As we'll see in the next chapter, there is a sudden change in how Skeaös acts, but I'll talk about that later.

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I think the Quorum will allow it.

I humbly thank them for their clemency.

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Sorry, double post, but finished chapter 6 this morning.

I may have missed something really subtle, but it seems this one was pretty straight forward though.

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If you would want to hear some neo-classical, I highly recomend Max Richter's work, coming from a real classical listening pedigree, I would start with Recomposed by Max Richter: Vivaldi, The Four Seasons.

The Blue Notebooks is also very, very good.

Richter is one of my favs.  24 Postcards in Full Color and Memoryhouse are fantastic.

Yeah, 24 Postcards is also really good, but appreciate his slightly longer form in his other works.  I heard Memoryhouse after Blue Notebooks, so I feel like the latter is basically an improvement on the former, for the most part.

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