The Second Apocalypse

Earwa => General Earwa => Topic started by: Somnambulist on September 25, 2014, 05:01:02 pm

Title: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on September 25, 2014, 05:01:02 pm
Anyone have the maps from White-Luck Warrior scanned?  I seem to remember a map of the Istyuli Plains in that book.  A google search turns up nada.  My WLW book is MIA and I need to reference the maps ASAP.  Not really ASAP, I got carried away with acronyms.   :)  Cheers!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Madness on September 25, 2014, 05:06:00 pm
ASAP just means as soon as possible - which is probably exactly when you want it ;).

If no one else has handy links or scans, I can get them to you tomorrow at the earliest, Som.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on September 25, 2014, 05:19:53 pm
Hard to believe its not on the wiki, but alas, it is not.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on September 25, 2014, 06:16:49 pm
ASAP just means as soon as possible - which is probably exactly when you want it ;).

If no one else has handy links or scans, I can get them to you tomorrow at the earliest, Som.

Cheers, Madness!  Much appreciated. 
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on September 26, 2014, 03:24:55 pm
I was comparing maps from Scott's website and have some questions.  I think this color map was done by Scott.  Is that correct?  If so, I wondered about some inconsistencies.  If anyone has insight, that would be great.  On the map, I've numbered the questions.

1) Do we know what this structure is?  The icon used is a hollow square, which is consistent with ruins, based on what Scott has done with his previous maps.  It isn't Cil-Aujas (marked with an 'x') and I haven't seen it on any other maps.

2) This icon is different than any other used on this map (kind of a thick block with thinner rectangles extending up and down).  I would assume it's the Thunyeri capital, but it, again, isn't noted on any other maps I've seen.

3) The Sempis/Kiyuth river systems are noticeably different than the maps in the books.  It's notoriously hard to see on this color map, but the Kiyuth specifically looks different than the map in the book.  Also, the color map doesn't seem to include the Yellow Sempis, which is supposed to connect to the Sempis from the West.  Is it just a matter of the scale of the color map?  Probably.  Maybe this one is just me over-thinking.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on September 26, 2014, 04:03:22 pm
Full scale image, spoiler tagged for space
(click to show/hide)

3) Maybe zoom in some more or change the contrast settings of your screen, because the river is there, but extremely difficult to see.

Full Scale map from books, with color (from wiki), spoiler tagged for space
(click to show/hide)

2) Not on the book maps. Seems like that marker is somewhat similar to Attempus/Asgilioch/Atyersus, but certainly not an exact match. Maybe it was an error (though Bakker claims to have scoured that map for anything inconsistent, and he gives it his stamp of approval). I don't know what it is.

1) Again, not on the book maps. I don't see a later map version (like you requested) so I'll have to take a look at it. Maybe its supposed to be Marrow? Incidentally, isn't that around where the Skin Eaters claimed to have found Cleric, or at least in that general place? Don't know what it is outside of those two suggestions.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on September 26, 2014, 04:22:38 pm
Thanks, Wilshire.  Hmmm.  You're right about the Yellow Sempis.  Staring at it too long, I think, made all the pixels blur together.

Looking on the wiki, I could only find one name for a 'structure' in Thunyerus: Cern Auglai, but it's described as a fortress and pirate entrepot on the coast, ruled by Earl Goken.  I suppose it could be that, but would be an assumption.  Assuming that, it's not the Thunyeri capital.  I'll have to dig to see if I can find any more info on Thunyerus.  Seems sparse.

From the map in TJE, Marrow sits closer to Cil-Aujas, on the River Rohil, which is south of that nameless ruin.  Mysteries...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on September 26, 2014, 04:33:52 pm
Honestly, I wonder where the bottom map posted originally came from. It shows Sakarpus in its post-PoN place, several thousand kilometers west of where it was at in PoN, yet it is missing Marrow.

I'm going to have to look up the passage(s) that discuses where they found Cleric. Maybe there is some nameless ruined mansion/city up there.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on September 26, 2014, 05:01:34 pm
Number 2 looks like the marker for Golgotterath. In fact it's the only other place where it's used.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on September 26, 2014, 05:33:37 pm
It's slightly different.  Again, not sure if it's just a mistake, but seems deliberate.  The Thunyeri icon is missing the side extensions of Golgotterath.  2 pics below.

Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on September 26, 2014, 05:33:52 pm
Key:

Square (filled in) - City
Square (empty) - Ruins
Plus (+) - Fortress
Diamond - Golgotterath
Marker in Thynyersus - Unknown (similar to the marker at Golgotterath. Maybe a cross between the Plus and the Diamond)

Didn't notice Golgotterath's unique symbol. Its not quite the same as the one in Thunyerus...

EDIT:
Actually, if you zoom out far, they look almost identical, though the Thunyerus one is slightly smaller. When you zoom in close, it's missing several pixels. Strange. Maybe a connection to the Inchoroi. Any references on Inchoroi presence in that area?

Edit 2:
Notice the marker would be the same if you added another row in the middle of the smaller one, or if you took out the middle row of the Golgotterath symbol.
I difference of 5 black pixels :P
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on September 26, 2014, 05:48:55 pm
For reference the New Empire's map.

(http://i.imgur.com/C9UzSKI.png)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on September 26, 2014, 05:54:09 pm
Number 1 in the Osthwai Mountains could be Aenaratiol (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/Aenaratiol).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on September 26, 2014, 06:24:47 pm
Thanks, Ashtinahgma.  Aenaratiol is meant to be right above Cil-Aujas, so it doesn't seem to be that, either
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on September 26, 2014, 06:27:37 pm
Probably not. Last line of the wiki entry for Aenaratiol:

"The old Nonman Mansion of Cil-Aujas lies beneath the mountain"

That places it too far south.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on September 26, 2014, 06:32:50 pm
Well, I know I'm stretching, but the marking of Cil-Aujas is perhaps only the entrance? It could run through far into the mountain...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on September 26, 2014, 06:47:22 pm
I almost suggested that but it seemed to ridiculous :P. The Nonmen seemed to travel down rather than outward, but I guess its possible. Who knows what can be accomplished with 10,000 years of stubbornness and boredom?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on September 26, 2014, 08:48:05 pm
By the way, anyone else think that the map looks like a dragon's head?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Madness on September 28, 2014, 10:07:31 pm
I believe this is the map you wanted, Som.

(click to show/hide)

When we recorded on Thursday I discovered that I didn't bring all my books north with me. But I found TJE and WLW at a used bookstore and took a picture for reference (no fucking 10p deals for me, SR :P).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on September 28, 2014, 10:35:38 pm
That's the one, Madness. Thank you!  I tried the same thing this weekend, but my shitty Half-price Books and library didn't have them.  Then again, maybe that's a good thing, meaning that people are keeping them and checking them out from the library.  Just shitty for me, then, I guess.   :)

But now... fuck.  Why is Sakarpus so far from where it was shown in PON?  Inconsistencies I can deal with, overall, but that's just blatantly in another shitting place altogether.  sigh...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on September 29, 2014, 04:11:03 am
Anyone able to tell me what this says (circled)?  This is from the map in WLW.  I can make out everything else but that...  Thanks in advance!

Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: mrganondorf on September 29, 2014, 10:20:28 am
That's the mnnjneknknmnmmmnnmnm, a famous river in Aorsi.  That river is so swift, that in the old days you could kill a sranc, stuff it with letters, and it would be in Dagliash in winks and a nod.  You wouldn't want to try that now cause the sranc have been breeding with the fish.  The Great Ordeal's first aquatic challenge...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 20, 2014, 03:34:34 pm
Prompted by Wilshire's comment in Royce's Maps topic, here's an Earwa re-draw I've been working on for a while.  I used the color map from Scott's website as a base, then tried to add the detail from his official maps in the books.  All the broad details should be correct according to published maps.  I then went through the Encyclopedic Glossary from TTT to try to fill in the other details like Palatinates and regions, towns, oases, etc.  As should be obvious, some placements of details may be wrong, but I've given my best guesses as to their positions based on descriptions given in the text.  If anyone is interested, I'd be open to corrections based on textual evidence of misplaced details.  Anyway, hope you enjoy!

http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427 (http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on October 20, 2014, 03:51:03 pm
Awesome, Somnambulist. This is something I'd been hoping for for a long time.

Do you have a higher resolution of it? Because I can't make it out the small text and the legend. Nevermind.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 20, 2014, 03:55:00 pm
That's awesome. Thanks Somna.

For those who want a bigger version, look to the right and click download. It'll bring up a new browser window that is 4650x3758 (pixels).

EDIT
I'm tempted to print this out on like a 34'' x 44'' plot and hang it in my office.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 20, 2014, 04:24:37 pm
Right, should have mentioned that, thanks Wilshire.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on October 20, 2014, 05:25:47 pm
You might want to add the û in Kûniüri.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: SilentRoamer on October 20, 2014, 06:22:37 pm
Som, That is fucking sweet. I have wanted to see a decent map for ages, feels like google earth compared to the hardcopy versions in the texts!

Really nice work!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 20, 2014, 10:19:16 pm
You might want to add the û in Kûniüri.

Noted, thanks.

Som, That is fucking sweet. I have wanted to see a decent map for ages, feels like google earth compared to the hardcopy versions in the texts!

Really nice work!

Cheers, SR!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: mrganondorf on October 20, 2014, 11:41:33 pm
WELL THAT IS FUCKING AWESOME SOMNAMBULIST
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 21, 2014, 02:53:59 am
Cheers, MrSN, MrG, whoever you are  :)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: mrganondorf on October 21, 2014, 03:19:28 am
God bless Somnambulist!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 22, 2014, 03:43:40 pm
God bless Somnambulist!

Not likely.  I updated the map with some preliminary suggestions.  Thanks to those who commented.

http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427 (http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427)

EDIT - the changes were:
Kuniüri  to  Kȗniüri
Subil  to  Subis
Neleost  to  Neleöst
Swap places of Kuöti and Ennutil
Added compass lines (just cuz)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on October 22, 2014, 03:56:18 pm
Wow, Somna, awesome. So we DO know who will make all the detail maps for our upcoming p&p RPG... ;) (only half-joking!)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 22, 2014, 04:02:10 pm
Well, if you're taking critiques:

The river Phayus looks a bit different depending on what map you look at.
http://www.rscottbakker.com/fan-resources/

The older one (zoomed into Kian) has it flow north of Mehtsonc a bit more and it splinters into more tributaries.
I think the way you have it probably a fair representation of it (more updated maps show it head east as you've shown), but adding a few more smaller tributaries flowing down from the mountains might also fit in. Did you consider it?

I think Kellhus' journey leads him to a mountain pass somewhere near the battle of Kiyuth and they end up hitting a couple streams as they flee to Momemn. I'm not sure the way you have it drawn currently would capture that... Maybe I'm wrong though. I've never really figured out exactly where they cross or counted how many streams they passed.

- - -
And since I'm a greedy person, how about holy Shimeh? We've got a map of that. Have you considered doing a smaller one of that city? I'm about 85% certain that I'm going to print the big earwa map out and hang it, and I think a map of the city would look great next to it...

Wow, Somna, awesome. So we DO know who will make all the detail maps for our upcoming p&p RPG... ;) (only half-joking!)
(not joking at all is more like it)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 24, 2014, 07:35:25 pm
Kellais:  It's half the reason I wanted to make the map in the first place.   :)

Wilshire:  I'll update the rivers as you suggested.  I flip-flopped on that issue and went simple, but realize it was a mistake.  I should have made it like the book map in the first place.  I'll thoroughly avoid, however, speculating on the number and placement of streams.   ;D

As for close-up maps, I'd considered it.  I kind of wanted to do a close-up of Gedea, as there are references in the glossary of more structures and features, but even at the scale I did this map, there wasn't room for them.  I might do a two-up, Gedea and Shimeh.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 24, 2014, 07:52:58 pm
How about a scale somewhere at the bottom? I did the calculations before on another topic somewhere. I could measure it out for you ;)

There would be no way to fit a whole city worth of detail in a world map, it would have to be an add-on. Shimeh I just figured would be easiest since there is a map already, but your interpretaion of Gedea would be awesome as well.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on October 24, 2014, 08:56:16 pm
Hey Somnambulist,

Can you make it like Google Earth so that when you zoom in all the detail from buildings and streets and whatnot shows up?

Street view would be nice as well.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 24, 2014, 11:39:10 pm
Thats exactly what I thought when he said "at this scale". Google Maps ftw.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 24, 2014, 11:48:20 pm
How about a scale somewhere at the bottom? I did the calculations before on another topic somewhere. I could measure it out for you ;)

Sure!  I'll include it with the next update if you can find it.

Can you make it like Google Earth so that when you zoom in all the detail from buildings and streets and whatnot shows up?

Street view would be nice as well.

Ummm... I'm trying to maintain a semblance of a life outside of all this, so... no. 
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on October 25, 2014, 12:14:41 am
Just kidding. I didn’t think it was really possible, even if you didn’t have a life.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 29, 2014, 02:20:34 pm
Just kidding. I didn’t think it was really possible, even if you didn’t have a life.

I know, I was just trying to be funny.

Wilshire, if you have that scale handy, I can include it in the next version.  I have the river Phayus fixes done, and a couple of other small corrections based on others' comments.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 29, 2014, 02:37:48 pm
This post/thread:
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1411.msg17952#msg17952

basically:
That equivalent Norwegian coastline is roughly 400 kilometers. So the short nearly vertical North/South edge of the Demua is 1600 to 2000 km (the mountain that borders The Great Ocean, part of Earwa's west coastline). Does that make sense? I can circle it on a jpeg later if not, but probably not till this evening if I remember.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 29, 2014, 05:00:47 pm
I think I found the key to the scale.  Akka and Xinemus are discussing Proyas in regards to the whipping of Calmemunis for impiety.   TDTCB, GB 2005, Orbit, page 331:

Quote
"I'm quite serious, Akka. After Paremti I left the court in disgust. Wintered in Attrempus. He came to me, alone –"
"To beg forgiveness?"
Xinemus grimaced. "One would hope so, but no. He travelled all that way to upbraid me." The Marshal shook his head and smiled. Achamian knew why: even as a child Proyas had been given to endearing excesses. Travelling alone two hundred miles simply to deliver a rebuke was something only Proyas would do.

The 'court' would be Aöknyssus, the administrative and commercial capital of Conriya, where Akka taught Proyas as a child.  So, 200 miles from Aöknyssus to Attrempus.  I'm adding a scale to the map based on this reference.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 29, 2014, 05:06:18 pm
Yeah but we don't know what that road looks like, or how that distance was measured. There aren't a lot of direct roads between cities in Earwa, mostly old roads leading to/from old capitals/cities that no longer exist. If that reference is similar to what we've discussed, I'd just go with that then.

Also, there may be a discussion about distance around the end of Kiyuth, regarding mathematicians and the placing of severed heads, though this runs into the same issue as your original quote. The route is hard to pin down.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 29, 2014, 05:56:23 pm
Further thoughts

That straight line distance is about 2/3 of the length of the spot I mentioned above (talking absolute distance on the map, no to-scale or whatever). 200 miles is 600% smaller than what I figured with the above calculations.

I wouldn't have an issue with it, except that this makes all of Earwa about the size of Europe, and this isn't consistent with other references from outside of the text. Without the interviews, it would be fine, since there are so few references to absolute distances in the text, but with the interviews, there are inconsistencies.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 29, 2014, 07:36:53 pm
Yeah, I've just run across a passage from TJE, wherein the distance from Sakarpus to Golgotterath is mentioned as being over 2000 miles.  Based on the maps from the books, Swaranul/Irsulor are about half the distance from Sakarpus to Golgotterath.  For arguments sake, let's say that's roughly 1000 miles.

The GO was in Sakarpus in Early Spring, and by the time they hit Irsulor, it is Summer.  Because we have no Earwan calendar to go on, a day-is-a-week-is-a-month-is-a-season-is-a-year as we (the reader) can relate to them.  Scott uses terms like Early Spring, Late Autumn, etc.  So we can break time increments down to:
Early Winter, Winter, Late Winter, Early Spring, Spring, Late Spring, Early Summer, Summer, Late Summer, Early Autumn, Autumn, and Late Autumn.  That gives us 12 designations for relative time-keeping.  So we have Early Spring, Spring, Late Spring, Early Summer, Summer (5 time increments) for the travel time between Sakarpus and Irsulor.  Again, we don't know how long an Earwan year is, so this next part is all conjecture.  Just say, again for arguments sake, that each of the 12 designations is 30 days.  30 days x 5 increments = 150 days from Sakarpus to Irsulor (1000 miles), giving an average of 6.66 miles traveled every day.  That's probably fairly accurate as an average for an army of that size.  Some days there was no travel at all, battles, whatever, whereas other days they probably were able to go farther than that.  If the days are shortened to 25 per designation, that's 25 days x 5 increments = 125 days, averaging 8 miles per day, which also sounds reasonable.  There are obviously many other factors here, but all we can do is spitball it.

At that scale (1000 miles from Sakarpus to Irsulor), the distance from Aoknyssus to Attrempus is closer to 300 miles, which is a pretty heavy discrepancy, as well.  So, not sure what to do in terms of adding a scale to the map, tbh.

EDIT:  This brings up another subject.  If it took the Great Ordeal 2 books to get half the way to Golgotterath, how the hell are they gonna make it there by the end of TUC??
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 29, 2014, 07:48:27 pm
Maybe adding the scale was a bad idea. To many inconsistencies.


They'll get there by not fighting until  Dagliash. Maybe even a time skip. Otherwise, the first half of the book will basically be a rehash of the first half of their journey. I'm guessing that most of that will be cut out, so that the focus will be from Dagliash to Golgotterath.

That, or there is a true contest somewhere in Agongorea or elsewhere, way before Golgotterath, an TGO never gets there. Then much of the book will be the disastrous retreat back to TTS
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Francis Buck on October 29, 2014, 11:32:40 pm
I think TUC will end up covering quite a bit of time. In addition to what Wilshire mentioned, it seems likely that as the army moves forward, it gradually gets smaller (casualties building up), and thus is able to move faster. I personally think there's a strong possibility that the army that actually reaches Golgotterath will be quite small, with a large portion of it being sorcerers. In particular, I think it will be small enough that every non-sorcerer has access to a Chorae.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on October 31, 2014, 05:50:51 pm
Updates to the map.  Added a couple of towns to Nansur, corrected spelling of Osthwai, corrected the Phayus and Shaul river systems in Nansur.  Also added the scale.  Based on the info Wilshire and I went over, it's approximate at best.  The distance from Aoknyssus to Attrempus is now shown at about 250 miles (more than the book's claimed 200), while the distance from Sakarpus to Golgotterath is around 1700 miles (less than the book's claimed 2000).  However, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think the GO would need to take detours here and there, seeking fordable points in rivers, going around geographical features, etc. that would push the journey closer to that 2000 mile 'goal.'  Regardless, I like having the scale on there.  It's as likely to be inaccurate as anything else on the map, but it should be relatively close to 'true.'  Anyway, thanks to those who commented and offered up corrections.

http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427 (http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Garet Jax on October 31, 2014, 05:57:00 pm
Awesome, Som... Simply awesome.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on October 31, 2014, 06:00:25 pm
Thank you! I love this map.

 Now to find a way to make it a decent desktop wallpaper.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Francis Buck on November 01, 2014, 07:09:22 pm
Thank you! I love this map.

 Now to find a way to make it a decent desktop wallpaper.

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Map is amazing, I can spend a lot of time looking at this.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Davias on November 03, 2014, 07:34:51 am
Fantastic job, the map is looking really nice.
Maybe with a darker colouring for the background or the mountains and stylised fonts it would fitting the gritty atmosphere of the series a little better ;)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Garet Jax on November 04, 2014, 03:23:44 pm

Minor nitpick, or suggestion, if you will.

(click to show/hide)

EDIT: Move along, nothing to see here...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on November 04, 2014, 04:36:49 pm

Minor nitpick, or suggestion, if you will.

(click to show/hide)

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Garet Jax on November 04, 2014, 05:01:41 pm
Details...  Thank you for pointing out my stupidity and lack of attention to detail.  :P
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on November 08, 2014, 04:10:35 pm
No, not at all.  I've been informed of several mistakes already, and expect there to be many more (on my part).  I've been re-reading the books (on TWP right now), and have already made numerous small adjustments based on the text.  Please, keep looking!  My goal is to make this map definitive, so any and all comments are welcome.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on November 08, 2014, 05:12:34 pm
any plans to try and add some of the major roads? I know a few are mentioned between Sumna and Momemn, but can't recall mention of many others.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Bogobor on November 08, 2014, 05:50:35 pm
Forbidden Road, Karian Way, Pon Way, Sogian Way (Encyclopedic G.)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on November 11, 2014, 02:54:03 pm
Another idea would be to add some of the various journeys - Kellhus to Momemn/Shimeh, Holy War to Shimeh, TGO to Golgotterath, Skin Eaters/Achamian to Ishual, Cnaiur/Serwe/Sorweel to Ishterbinith.

Did you attempt to mark Akka's Tower?

Just more things if you are bored ;)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on November 11, 2014, 03:11:02 pm
If I do any roads, they likely won't be on this master map.  Quite probable I'd add them to any 'blow up' maps I may do, like the Gedea and Shimeh maps already mentioned.  Journeys would also be an interesting add, though.  Not sure, tbh.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: mrganondorf on November 16, 2014, 08:12:44 pm
the new old map still has circles!!! + no Golgotterath???

http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/prophet-of-the-past/
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on November 21, 2014, 04:40:05 am
Updated map.  Several revisions based on the text, mainly from Nansur to Amoteu.  Moved some features, added new places.  Getting pretty crowded in there.

http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427 (http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on November 21, 2014, 01:32:29 pm
Looks great Som.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on November 22, 2014, 11:41:39 am
You know, Somna, not to criticise, but i always wondered how the map would look if you also represented forests on it. I mean you also do a perspective representation of the mountains so it would be consistent to also depict the forests that way. Ever thought about that? I would very much like to see you do a version like that.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on November 24, 2014, 05:10:21 am
Thinking about it now, Kellais.  Thinking about it now...   ;)  Suppose I didn't seriously consider it before cuz none of Scott's maps ever show a forest.  We have the Mop (Meorn Wilderness), Thunyerus is described as a forest, and the forests of Kuniuri.  Any others anyone specifically remembers?  The rest would just be conjecture, but could be a fun project, if my computer can handle it...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on November 24, 2014, 11:12:49 am
Cool, Somna!

Yeah, the main problem is to know where forests are. We only have very few mentions and they are in a very general way. Maybe we could bother Scott with some info on it?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on November 24, 2014, 04:50:21 pm
Well, MG bothered him enough to squeeze some acknowledgment out of him on TPB (referring to the Chinese cover). Seems you never know what actions get recompense. I fullt recommend bothering :).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: profgrape on November 26, 2014, 01:38:31 pm
Brilliant work, Som.

A very minor note: Marrow is included on a map from the iBook version of WLW.  It's west of Cil-Aujas on the river; perhaps a similar distance from Cil-Aujas as Maimor.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on November 26, 2014, 03:08:33 pm
Thanks, profgrape.  Regarding Marrow.  I believe it only sprang up as a result of the bounty on scalps, and wasn't there at the time of the date on the map, which is 4109 (pre-dating the First Holy War).  I'm re-reading the series now (on TJE), so I should be able to verify that shortly.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: profgrape on November 26, 2014, 06:21:40 pm
Quite true -- I think I was so caught up with the awesomeness of the map that I missed the date entirely!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Triskele on November 28, 2014, 04:37:04 pm
That map is outstanding. 

My favorite little touch is the special icon for where our friends the Consult hang out...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 01, 2014, 06:43:40 pm
W
That map is outstanding. 

Which map?

Are there any major differences from the 4109 map and the map for AE?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on December 09, 2014, 07:21:11 pm
Not much, mostly text sizing.  Marrow would be added, maybe some icons would change.  Still working out logistics of forests... ugh.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 09, 2014, 07:41:51 pm
I didn't think so.


Doing the forests I'm sure is quite the task. Lots of vague references to get through, and then you've got all the different types of forests, and densities. Evergreens in the north, redwoods in the Mop, some other kinds in other places... what a pain.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Triskele on December 11, 2014, 03:23:41 am

Which map?

Are there any major differences from the 4109 map and the map for AE?
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No.  Just saying I like Somn's one in reply 63 with the colors and icons added. 
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: mrganondorf on December 11, 2014, 03:40:22 pm
Not much, mostly text sizing.  Marrow would be added, maybe some icons would change.  Still working out logistics of forests... ugh.

Somna, when you are done, i want to print it up in poster size!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on December 11, 2014, 03:54:28 pm
Doing the forests I'm sure is quite the task. Lots of vague references to get through, and then you've got all the different types of forests, and densities. Evergreens in the north, redwoods in the Mop, some other kinds in other places... what a pain.

Not necessarily. On maps one does abstract often. So if the mapper does not feel like doing a dozen different treeforms, he can also just go with one treeform and anyone looking at the map will understand that it just signifies "there is a forest".

But true, if you want to distinguish between coniferous forests and deciduous forest and maybe even also rain/tropical forests, than you have a bit more to do ;)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 11, 2014, 04:17:55 pm
Yeah I know, I was being cheeky :P
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 11, 2014, 04:36:31 pm
Somna, when you are done, i want to print it up in poster size!

I almost did it on version 1. Glad I waited. Can't decide how big to make it though.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on December 11, 2014, 06:20:00 pm
Adding fuel to the fire.  The map I posted online is smaller than the full res version by half.  Actual size at 300dpi is 31 inches  x  25.25 inches (9300 x 7575 pixels), at about 10.5MB.  I'll probably make that available after...  well, just after.

As for the forests, I already created an amalgamated graphic with three tree types (conifer, oak, juniper).  Not that I'm some kind of tree expert or anything, but I liked the way they look together at differing heights, widths and colors.  Some dendrologist somewhere probably just died a little inside.  However, to avoid doing different types of forests in various climates, that was my happy medium.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 11, 2014, 06:29:45 pm
31x25 is wonderful. I think the entire wall behind my computer would look nice...

Some dendrologist somewhere probably just died a little inside. 
;D
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on December 11, 2014, 07:19:22 pm
Screenshot of forests in progress.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on December 12, 2014, 09:49:24 pm
So, the forests.  My file (sans forests) was about 150mb.  Today I added to what I did yesterday, so forests cover Meorn Empire, Thunyerus, parts of Galeoth and a little bit of Ce Tydonn.  New file size: 460mb.  Damn detailed trees.  At this rate, my file will be well over a gig, and my machine will go nova.  I can actually hear the fan (which I normally cannot).  I think I figured a work-around, which will involve templates, multiple files and post-production in Photoshop.  I think it'll be worth it, though.  That is all.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on December 15, 2014, 11:59:51 am
Somna, that looks awesome.

As to the file size ... that is perfectly normal for PSD-files of big maps...on cartographers guild, there are guys that have files of several gigabyte. I hope you can work with it because it will totally be worth it.

And thanks for taking up my suggestion, Somna. It's highly appreciated and i am sure i will love the map even more.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Madness on December 15, 2014, 08:41:33 pm
Getting more notorious, Somnambulist.

A superb map of Earwa from Scott Bakker's PRINCE OF NOTHING (http://thewertzone.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/a-superb-map-of-earwa-from-scott.html)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 15, 2014, 09:23:03 pm
Getting more notorious, Somnambulist.

A superb map of Earwa from Scott Bakker's PRINCE OF NOTHING (http://thewertzone.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/a-superb-map-of-earwa-from-scott.html)
Awww yeah. Looks like Adam Whitehead did his research as well. Some of his descriptions seemed pulled, at least in spirit, directly form this and other conversations that have been had along the way. Very cool.


Also, from the comments
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Cursed Armada said...
Awesome. I just ordered a bumper sticker that reads, "Read R. Scott Bakker" I do my part to try and spread the word

Brilliant. Might have to get me some of those.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on December 16, 2014, 08:41:10 pm
Kellais:  That's good to know.  Those peeps must have much better systems than mine.  :)  My workaround seems to be viable.  I've 'forested' about half the map now in bits and pieces.  Kinda tedious, though!  I thought the hills and mountains were time-consuming...

Madness:  Whoa!  That's pretty cool.  Thanks for sharing it.

Wilshire:  Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too.  He encapsulated our discussions pretty well.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on December 17, 2014, 02:12:10 pm
Cool! Good to see you get some recognition for this work of love, Somna.

Oh and i found the one commenter hilarious that thinks that a reread would not be as good....especially since he read Scott the first time when he was in highschool...lol. I'm sure he would be able to see so much more now (apparently 10 years later).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 17, 2014, 03:06:29 pm
I had to set him straight :P. Hopefully the comment shows up eventually.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on December 17, 2014, 06:15:38 pm
I had to set him straight :P. Hopefully the comment shows up eventually.

Why am i not surprised, Wilshire?! :P
And it has shown up now.

You were pretty nice to him ;) I would have pointed out that in highschool he surely didn't know shit...  :o ;D
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 17, 2014, 06:22:14 pm
I would have done it earlier but I misread the comment. I though he was saying that it would be better if he went back.

Besides, I'm always nice ;).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on January 20, 2015, 01:24:10 pm
I had an idea to print a large double fold out of this map and include it my TDTCB that I might rebind eventually.

I think it would end up being about 16'' tall and about 10'' wide, folded in half twice so that it fits within the book.

Thoughts anyone?
I think an 8x10 might make this map too small to read, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on January 30, 2015, 03:01:51 pm
Someone on the PON wiki set up the map with the ability to add pins.

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Maps (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Maps)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on January 30, 2015, 03:17:37 pm
That is pretty cool :D, though all the pins weren't working on my computer. Still a fun idea though.

Somna, do you think you'll be completing the addition of the trees, or has that been abandoned? I wouldn't want to print a map for my office that will be outdated at some point ;). I'm sure adding trees is less entertaining than making all that art you been putting out daily, so I'd understand if that was on the back burner for a while.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on January 30, 2015, 03:40:26 pm
Right, definitely not abandoned, just back-burnered for a while.  Here's a link to the work in progress.  Basically, just have the West/Northwest to complete.

http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-composite-72-510561209 (http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-composite-72-510561209)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on January 30, 2015, 04:09:47 pm
That is pretty cool :D, though all the pins weren't working on my computer. Still a fun idea though.

I started that map yesterday for the most part to try wikia’s maps feature. The pins are working, but I only added one pin next to Ishuäl [you can add them by clicking on the icon in the bottom-right corner]. I hope others will contribute going forward.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on January 30, 2015, 04:17:18 pm
Oh cool I see. I thought all the listed names where pins that were placed. Thanks for the upload.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on January 30, 2015, 04:34:07 pm
The ones on the left are categories, you can classify individual pins under each one. My intention was to create a brief timeline for each of the main characters and for the progress of the Holy War. It doesn’t seem like the entries can be arranged by date, but it can still be done.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on January 30, 2015, 04:53:38 pm
Right, definitely not abandoned, just back-burnered for a while.  Here's a link to the work in progress.  Basically, just have the West/Northwest to complete.

http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-composite-72-510561209 (http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-composite-72-510561209)

Hmm you know, honestly I think I might prefer it without the trees.It seems to add a lot of clutter and im not a huge fan of how the trees look around the words

The ones on the left are categories, you can classify individual pins under each one. My intention was to create a brief timeline for each of the main characters and for the progress of the Holy War. It doesn’t seem like the entries can be arranged by date, but it can still be done.
That would be really cool.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on January 30, 2015, 06:59:05 pm
WHAT?! Go away, Wilshire :P Trees for the win! It looks awesome. If i can hope for something, it is a higher resolution of the current map, so that one can zoom in more.

In all seriousness - it just looks flat with no trees. And then there is the inconsistency of style and persepctive if you do 3d mountains and the rest of the terrain is more like satellite style. So a strong vote for "keep the trees". Or if not, loose the mountains as well and do them in a satelitte style as well. No mix-and-matching! (at least imo and ymmv, of course)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on January 30, 2015, 07:27:05 pm
WHAT?! Go away, Wilshire :P
If only it was that easy to get rid of me ;). Alas, I will do no such thing.

it just looks flat with no trees.
Kind of agree, which might have been why I suggested it originally. Cant remember. but...

And then there is the inconsistency of style and persepctive if you do 3d mountains and the rest of the terrain is more like satellite style. So a strong vote for "keep the trees". Or if not, loose the mountains as well and do them in a satelitte style as well. No mix-and-matching!

... I think the mountains break up the flatness nicely :). Mix-and-match all the things! Besides, small things like grass/rivers/small-trees/foilage would appear flat from a satellite/plane, but bigger trees and certainly mountains still stick out. Do some zooming in on google maps, there is usualy a perspective shift that I assume comes from the differences of the satellite image (nearly directly overhead) to a plane/drone (angled view), but you can still see buildings and such with some height.



The trees have the feeling, to me, of being "stuck on" after the rest, especially where they are missing around the words. Might be less of this affect if the words are lain over top the trees (though with the current font color and tree color, this would not look good).


(at least imo and ymmv, of course)
Amicable as always.
I kind of feel like a jackass critiquing the work, so feel free to ignore me :).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on January 30, 2015, 07:47:46 pm
As someone with a geography degree i think i am a bit picky about maps ;D

And i was talking about mapping-styles...so your comment about the mountains was not the direction i was heading (i'm too lazy to go into detail...at least right now ;D ... just one thing...mountains also "look flat" in satellite-view ;) ) ... but to be honest, in the end it does not matter what we (you and me) want/think, Somna is the one who decides anyway. I for one love the trees and it is, for me, also about consistency.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Garet Jax on January 31, 2015, 12:31:08 pm
Love the addition of the trees Somnambulist. 


Composite 72 huh?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on February 02, 2015, 05:51:16 pm
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Hmm you know, honestly I think I might prefer it without the trees.It seems to add a lot of clutter and im not a huge fan of how the trees look around the words

There's just no pleasing you, then  ;)

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Composite 72 huh?

Just a reference to the method and resolution.  I have several versions floating around and neglected to name them properly before, so that was my attempt to not confuse myself further.

Thanks for the comments all around, guys.  When all is said and done, I'll probably have versions of both (with and without forests) so you can enjoy your particular flavor.  In the end, the 'final' will be about 30 x 21 (inches) at 300 dpi, which should make a nice poster size for those of you interested in printing it out.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on February 02, 2015, 06:00:08 pm
Quote
Hmm you know, honestly I think I might prefer it without the trees.It seems to add a lot of clutter and im not a huge fan of how the trees look around the words

There's just no pleasing you, then  ;)
that's that it looks like :P.

Quote
Composite 72 huh?
Thanks for the comments all around, guys.  When all is said and done, I'll probably have versions of both (with and without forests) so you can enjoy your particular flavor.  In the end, the 'final' will be about 30 x 21 (inches) at 300 dpi, which should make a nice poster size for those of you interested in printing it out.  Cheers.

:D awesome poster size.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Aural on March 22, 2015, 12:49:57 pm
In case you want to add info from The False Sun,

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To the west lay the River Sursa, whose rusty waters bloomed far into the Sea during day. Beyond it, the wastes of Agongorea plaited the horizon, chapped and cracked like untanned leather. Low mountains knotted the north and east, domes of bald granite rising from forested slopes: the hunchbacked Urokkas.

Nogaral stood upon the westernmost summit, Iros

I think those are the mountains near Dagliash.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on July 31, 2015, 04:18:45 am
Kinda fell off this one, but it's always in the back of my mind.  Maybe after I finish of a few of the other things on my plate...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: SilentRoamer on July 31, 2015, 09:33:05 am
I'm going to report you to the imaginary guild of Cartographers for your lack of commitment to the mapping of an imaginary land in an imaginary series.

We will collectively start calling you the No-Cartographer.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on July 31, 2015, 12:29:32 pm
I'm going to report you to the imaginary guild of Cartographers for your lack of commitment to the mapping of an imaginary land in an imaginary series.

We will collectively start calling you the No-Cartographer.

Maybe that imaginary board will bar him from working on any other maps before he finishes this one. That will teach him a lesson.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on July 31, 2015, 07:03:43 pm
I'm going to report you to the imaginary guild of Cartographers for your lack of commitment to the mapping of an imaginary land in an imaginary series.

We will collectively start calling you the No-Cartographer.

Maybe that imaginary board will bar him from working on any other maps before he finishes this one. That will teach him a lesson.

I like No-Cartographer, but it doesn't roll off the tongue.  I require a better name.  WHO AM I?  Or maybe a better catch-phrase would be: WHERE AM I?

I learn no lesson before its time.  Let that be a lesson to you.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on July 31, 2015, 07:19:32 pm
I like No-Cartographer, but it doesn't roll off the tongue.  I require a better name.  WHO AM I?  Or maybe a better catch-phrase would be: WHERE AM I?

I learn no lesson before its time.  Let that be a lesson to you.

lmao. you're amazing.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on July 31, 2015, 09:02:26 pm
lmao. you're amazing.

The No-Cartographer likes this.  You shall be my Anti-Compass.  Your mission is to corrupt all maps of Man!  Call East 'shibby' and West 'shabam!' North will be 'winticky' and South 'epoloniphanimous!'  Erase all routes! Place cities in the wrong locations! Sow confusion and discord among all cartographers, for they are as tiny bugs upon the unmentionables of fair maidens!  None shall know from whence or to where they go!  The Cartographic Apocalypse is at hand!  ...what?  Where should you go to do my bidding?  Um... do you have a map?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on August 01, 2015, 12:19:15 am
Sleep deprivation is real.  Let this be another lesson.  That is all.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on August 03, 2015, 12:46:29 pm
Haha I like sleep deprived Somnambulist then. That was a good post.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: MSJ on December 19, 2015, 01:57:41 pm
One, I had no clue where to post this, but this seemed like the best place. Secondly, I don't know if this has been brought up before, but last night while looking at the map in the back of TWP, I noticed something.

It has to deal with all the cities and how they are marked. I was expecting a legend to be included in the map but there isn't, so I'm left to wonder. The cities that are populated are denoted with a square that is colored in. The ones that was destroyed during the apocalypse are denoted with a square and left blank. Now, Ishual, Golgottearath, Dagliash and Attrempus are all marked on the map with a cross. Why? What is it that they all have in common the Bakker would mark them as such?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on December 19, 2015, 03:21:43 pm
My take is that those places are fortresses as opposed to cities proper. 
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: MSJ on December 19, 2015, 03:28:54 pm
Ok, that makes sense. I was hoping there would be some hidden clue there, guess not, lol.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on December 19, 2015, 04:02:18 pm
You should look through this thread msj. There a handful on map things of note like the map symbols.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Madness on December 19, 2015, 05:23:54 pm
It's a really interesting thread. Just went through it again.

And I had missed the Cartographic Apocalypse, which is fairly hilarious. Though, the No-Cartographer should have known that the Anti-Compass would set about confounding those maps closest to him.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on January 15, 2016, 02:34:07 pm
Any thoughts on map-making for 2016 Somnambulist?
Now that you're something like a semi-legit artist with regular commissions, maybe you'll not have time for the old TSA community.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on January 15, 2016, 04:31:12 pm
Something like a semi-legit artist?  Stop trying to butter me up, you!  You know that kind of talk makes me weak in the knees!

Maybe more map stuff when TGO comes out.  I kinda gave up on the forest option, cuz it's just me making shit up, and it was bogging my system down, took forever to make/save edits.

Not have time for TSA?!  I'm on here, like, several times a day.  I just can't comment on most stuff, cuz, you know, like, reasons.  ;)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on January 15, 2016, 07:46:32 pm
Its true! You're the regular artist for GdM right? And that the other big thing. Thats... 2 things! I think semi-legit is a mostly fair assessment, albeit a bit ostentatious I admit.

No love lost for the trees on my end. Map is better without them.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: profgrape on January 15, 2016, 09:53:13 pm
"Something like a semi-legit artist" needs to go on your LinkedIn profile, Som
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on January 15, 2016, 09:57:53 pm
lol Yeah, I'm thinking of changing all my online handles to 'Semi-Legit'.  Kinda has a ring to it, almost street cred level.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on January 17, 2016, 05:28:10 pm
It has a sense of real honesty about it.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: mrganondorf on January 23, 2016, 09:38:34 pm
New maps of the far north from The Great Ordeal!
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/orbital-corpses/#comment-44528

EDIT: A few features that strike particularly...

- Dagliash is now bordered by 5 mountains.  The western-most, Antareg, perhaps looks like a volcano?  The center mountain, Oloreg, looks mysteriously craggy.  (Btw, I might try to project 'mysteriously craggy' on Monday to my students and see how they react).

- Gosh, I'm excited to find out what's so appalling about "The Field Appalling!"

- Bakker went to the trouble of drawing Ishterebinth just so.  I guess I hadn't thought of it as having a mountainous aspect until now.

- Really curious as to why Bakker stuck the "Spear Fens" in the map.  Perhaps that will be notable in case of a retreat later?  Zeumi ships flee the north after the Great Ordeal is vanquished carrying a wounded and half-crazed Kellhus.  Blown off course, the ship becomes fixed in the Spear Fens and the Surviving Ordeal fight to escape the Swamp Sranc.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Hirtius/Pansa on January 25, 2016, 02:27:59 am
Wasn't the destruction of the Ketyai of the South at Irsulor?—with a circumflex over the u.  Is this one of those weird Kuniuric to Sheyic things or perhaps, more simply, a typo?

Is Urokkas name-dropped in The False Sun?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wolfdrop on January 26, 2016, 01:07:45 am
I had wondered the very same thing though not as much for Ursulor as Domiot vs Domyot etc.

I asked RSB on his latest blog post and his response was that it was intentional giving the reason as "lack of naming convention is part and parcel of ancient scholarship."

Though I pointed out Harnilias to Harnilas and that one is just a mistake!
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: H on January 26, 2016, 03:20:21 pm
- Dagliash is now bordered by 5 mountains.  The western-most, Antareg, perhaps looks like a volcano?  The center mountain, Oloreg, looks mysteriously craggy.  (Btw, I might try to project 'mysteriously craggy' on Monday to my students and see how they react).

I don't think it's actually a volcano, the circle isn't a caldera, per se, but is rather the circle that shows the location of Dagliash.  Dagliash seems to be built on the ruins of Nogaral, which was raised on the ruins of Viri.

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Nogaral stood upon the westernmost summit, Iros, a mountain that was a mass grave. Little more than ramp of blunt granite, it climbed from the River toward the Sea, where it ended in scarped confusion.

From the False Sun.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on April 19, 2016, 03:33:36 pm
I was updating my master map file with the info from the new maps Scott posted.  I deleted the Urokkas I had in there to replace them with more accurate versions, and accidentally deleted ALL THE HILLS, ON THE WHOLE MAP.  I made more changes and saved the document before I realized my mistake.  Then I was like:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/91fEJqgdsnu4E/giphy-facebook_s.jpg)

After much anguish, I found a backup on my laptop, and I was like:

(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/will-ferrell.gif)

My morning so far.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Madness on April 19, 2016, 03:36:11 pm
Som, did you see this I posted in the Great Bakker Review Ordeal thread?

The Maps of R. Scott Bakker's Second Apocalypse (https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/17/the-maps-of-r-scott-bakkers-second-apocalypse/)

EDIT: Also, lmao :P.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on April 19, 2016, 04:00:40 pm
Thanks, Madness.  I did see that.  Today a map, tomorrow... the world! ( I watched a lot of Pinky and the Brain in a past life.)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Madness on April 19, 2016, 04:03:16 pm
I believe we talked in this very thread about Cartographers running the world ;).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on April 19, 2016, 04:48:07 pm
Thanks, Madness.  I did see that.  Today a map, tomorrow... the world! ( I watched a lot of Pinky and the Brain in a past life.)
I often respond "the same thing we do every night..." at every opportunity. I feel like most people dont share in my mirth.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on April 19, 2016, 06:59:30 pm
Indeed it was, Madness.  I feel I must excise said evidence before I roll out my plans.... (wringing hands, twirling mustaches)

Lol, Wilshire.

Alrighty, then.  I updated the main map file on deviantArt.  It now includes the details found on Scott's new maps.  I think I got it all in there.  As always, if anyone spots an error, let me know.

http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427 (http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: locke on April 20, 2016, 06:01:31 am
narf!


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Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on April 20, 2016, 01:32:21 pm
Thats nearly square, maybe 4:3 though. If I print one off, it'd probably be on a 30''x30'' canvas, but I don't want it to get distorted. I'll have to blow it up on my computer at home later and see how it might look.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Werthead on May 29, 2017, 02:16:31 pm
I'm going to see if Scott will confirm the locations of the Nonman mansions and then hopefully Som can put them on the map :)

Also going to see if I can post the map of Golgotterath.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Madness on May 29, 2017, 03:15:51 pm
Sweet. Also, great avatar pick, Wert.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Hiro on May 29, 2017, 04:30:41 pm
I'm going to see if Scott will confirm the locations of the Nonman mansions and then hopefully Som can put them on the map :)

Also going to see if I can post the map of Golgotterath.

Perhaps wait till after the TUC release for that one...?
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on May 29, 2017, 05:12:49 pm
I've been going through all Wert's maps and adding the locations/names that weren't on mine already, including the mansions.  I was sort of waiting for TUC, as well, before sharing the map, just in case Scott had new stuff in the book.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: TaoHorror on May 29, 2017, 06:23:17 pm
Great map, Som - thanks so much for sharing. I find it very helpful to reference it while reading the story to assist visualization of the journeys. Nice that you can zoom but not lose the definition and be able to clearly read everything ( wish I had a photo rendering program that could do that ).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on May 29, 2017, 07:25:12 pm
It's all about pixels. Soms map is a huge file, so much resolution.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Werthead on May 29, 2017, 07:26:23 pm
I've been going through all Wert's maps and adding the locations/names that weren't on mine already, including the mansions.  I was sort of waiting for TUC, as well, before sharing the map, just in case Scott had new stuff in the book.

(click to show/hide)

Edit: Wilshire - added spoiler tags.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on May 29, 2017, 09:05:45 pm
Well, with that in mind, then.  Here's the updated map, including the info from Wert's maps.  I also updated the color scheme, and made the map a full 300dpi, twice the resolution it was before.  It's big.

http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427 (http://spiralhorizon.deviantart.com/art/Earwa-4109-sm-489666427)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Madness on May 29, 2017, 09:11:09 pm
Wilshire's going to love you for this, Somnambuslist.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Werthead on May 29, 2017, 09:34:40 pm
Wow.

I did ask Scott to clarify a few things. Illisseru I think is closer to the sea but still in the mountains, since they actually had ships (although they could have taken them downriver). Siol I think is right in the middle and underneath the centre of the Northern Kayarsus, although the precise location is anyone's guess (Scott had a map of the First Age but apparently couldn't get it into the book).

No plot spoilers, but a fresh backstory revelation from TUC glossary:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Somnambulist on May 29, 2017, 10:14:47 pm
Wow.

I did ask Scott to clarify a few things. Illisseru I think is closer to the sea but still in the mountains, since they actually had ships (although they could have taken them downriver). Siol I think is right in the middle and underneath the centre of the Northern Kayarsus, although the precise location is anyone's guess (Scott had a map of the First Age but apparently couldn't get it into the book).

No plot spoilers, but a fresh backstory revelation from TUC glossary:

(click to show/hide)

Ok, I'll note those changes for next time.  Let me know if you get any notes from Scott.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Werthead on May 30, 2017, 12:05:04 pm
Also some spelling changes from earlier books:

Nihrimsûl
Illisserû

Not sure why Nihrimsul got an extra circumflex after twelve years without one. I think you can use them interchangeably.
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: H on May 30, 2017, 01:25:27 pm
Also some spelling changes from earlier books:

Nihrimsûl
Illisserû

Not sure why Nihrimsul got an extra circumflex after twelve years without one. I think you can use them interchangeably.

Recent discount at the diacritic store?

There are all sorts of place in the books where they come and go, although not in those two instances specifically.

One day maybe we get a truly edited, directors cut of the whole series...
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: TaoHorror on May 30, 2017, 06:12:50 pm
On the off chance you want to keep "working" on your sweet piece of art map, consider creating animations that show various treks when selected ( e.g. the path of the Great Ordeal ).
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Wilshire on May 31, 2017, 12:55:46 pm
On the off chance you want to keep "working" on your sweet piece of art map, consider creating animations that show various treks when selected ( e.g. the path of the Great Ordeal ).
The wiki has some of that functionality baked in. Just needs someone to mark it up ;)
Title: Re: Eärwa Maps
Post by: Kellais on June 04, 2017, 04:14:45 pm
I'm a bit sad that the trees didn't make it into the map. Now i think the quite modern rendering of everything but the mountains is kind of...distracting. Colors for different landmarks but mountains as symbols is kind of a mish mash of styles.

But hey, that's still an awesome map overall. So i'm complaining because i love ;)