IT's all over the place...
 
From what I can tell, time itself, the outside, everything is linked. Time changes the outside but the gods can't conceive of this. They can't be aware of it. If that's true, then the No-God is like a "random machine". Literally the only thing in a deterministic universe(deterministic both ways, if that makes any sense) that doesn't have a before and after. Both what comes before, and what comes after doesn't determine it. 
 
I imagine our own universe, and the existence of other universes out there. We could do our own thing for billions of years without breaking the principle, but when something from the other universe gets it, it breaks causality, time itself.
 
 
I think that could be a cool idea. The only problem is the " he was always the No-God" line, so Kelmomas doesn't exist outside of time, it doesn't make sense for him to be destined to do anything. If everything he ever did was dumb luck than maybe it would make sense. However that would make Kellhus wrong.

Isn't dumb luck essentially what a white luck warrior is? I'm not quite sure how or why, but it does seem the No-God was causally fated to manifest. A white-luck outside of eternity.

I suspect/hope Meppa will be a POV character detailing what's happening in the Three Seas.

What makes you so sure? What if by genetically altering the make up of humans, those new humans think the rest of us are just bugs? What them? What if we Fuck up and

I'm not gonna say this is not gonna be a valid point of discussion, but I just don't believe reality is going to be like Gattaca, i.e. Eugenics version II if things are handled properly. I'm not arguing for setting the flood gates lose for normies to have all their babies be tall, blonde, blue-eyed Kellhuses, I'm saying we discard the idea, be it subconscious or not, of the static, sacred human form. Cast off this chain and seize the opportunities beyond.
Beside that, the ruling economic elite already view us as bugs.

What if we Fuck up and give them super -human powers, unlocking something that's in all of us and they use it to destroy mankind?

Haha, I guess you watched that Limitless movie too. Anyway, it's not a realistic thing.

I think it's quote better to expect the worse and pray for the best. Just my 2 cents.

You can say that about anything tho. Like, what if cell-phones give everybody brain cancer in 50 years. You gotta look at the actual indications, but it becomes hard to separate bias from fact here.

Sticking to my guns with regards to genetic "optimization" that differentiation/randomness/error/mutation will out perform objective design ... forever.

It's really a false dichotomy if you think about it. Like Wilshire said, humans are a part, not apart, of nature, but it's common for us to think us outside the wild, given that we are obviously conscious, have free will, and are divinely created in the very image of God  .
In essence, an enzyme being optimized in an industrial research facility is STILL nature acting upon itself, it is still NATURAL selection whereby a given form is selected by environmental constraints.

Edit: there is rich psychological research revealing "smarter" people are easier to con, their over confidence in their intellect preventing them from learning how not to be taken advantage of. Plenty of data showing leadership skills are not IQ based. So a society of super intellects could lead us to ruin not just by virtue of the bullying intellectual elites over the rest of us "duller" minds, but we would be too weak as a species to endure. Hard work/experience will trump high intellect/faster learning ... forever.

Meh, I don't really trust such stuff. Doesn't psychology have huge replicability issues as well? I'd not take any such research seriously without a sea-water enema, i.e. a little bit of salt. Also, I personally think IQ tests are kinda bullshit. I mean, if you have 200 you're probably smart, if you have 50 you're probably retarded, but aside from that it's all fucking vague.
Regarding the hard work thing, that's not really true. I mean, luck, social standing and other things are extremely important, but there are just some individuals who are capable of grasping and learning (certain things) much faster than others.

ha, ha - true - that was a massive turn on reading Inchoroi/man sex after killing off the most powerful sorcerer at that time. 

And to think, this may have all been avoided if Titira didn't hesitate berating Shae and simply attacked ...

On the other hand, if not for the impatience of Sil... 

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Damn I really like that one. Such an epic scene

Sounds way too far fetched imo. I believe they clearly believed Kellhus to be the No-God, and Kel's short-circuiting of the manifested God was a fortuitous event. This kinda brings me back to the thing where Kellhus says to Proyas that at some point the Inchoroi must win. It seems that by virtue of being outside of Eternity, the No-God is causally fated to manifest and succeed.

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My initial "take" on what was going on when reading the end of TUC is the stillborn was due to her having the Eye - but then it appears she still "has" it after the births, so I was simply confused about the relationship between the Judging Eye and dead fetus in the womb - either that's true and something more/else is providing Mimira with the Eye or it's wholesale incorrect. I find the No-God "causing" the death of one of the twins to be quite the cool speculation, but to me it's unclear the timing of events given how briefly the book treats this. Everything happened so quickly once Kel was in the carapace.

Since Mimara had the Judging Eye years before she was even pregnant due to time being perceived differently by the gods, what is so strange about her still having it after giving birth? Makes sense to me...

She did? Oops, sorry! I thought she "got it" during the Slog ( after the consummation ). If that's the case, clearly you're correct, she sported the Eye before, then why not after the pregnancy.

Damn I thought/misremembered that too, but apparently she always had it.

I wonder if the Mutilated might have been aware since the start that these supposed attempts on Kellhus' life were not likely to actually kill him. In fact, their goal may have been to get Kellhus to Golgotterath sooner to start Resumption. I don't think they originally planned on using anyone but Kellhus - Kelmomas was a last-minute change that happened to work. Of course, with the non-linear view of time and all that, Kelmomas had always been the No-God, but I believe the Mutilated just misinterpreted the Celmomian prophecy.
And, since Bakker mentioned in the AMA that putting Inrilatas in the Carapace would not have worked, it can't just be a matter of Anasûrimbor blood. For all we know, if they had succeeded in inserting Kellhus it would not have worked either, same for Kayûtas or Serwa.

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I don't agree about Mimara's child. Or, I misunderstood the scene when the sarcophagus floats down, disguised by Kellhus hologram, before the Ordeal. Everyone is in silence. A baby wails. Then "the second birth was mercifully quick". Unless you mean that the Resumption was iniciated but not completed... but we don't have any piece of information to confirm that conjecture either, do we?
EDIT: yeah, I was always remembering that passage form TJE (Aurang telling the thing called Somanduta to protect Mimara in order to follow false and true prophecies).
RE EDIT: Or was it in TWLW?

The cause of the second twin's stillbirth seems to be unclear, since, like you said, it seems to happen before Resumption. Then again, I can't fully discard it as a possibility, as the timeline of events involving the No-God has more to it than it seems (thinking of Werthead's theory of a time paradox resolved by the Judging Eye).
It's possible, of course, that the second twin was stillborn because women with the Judging Eye supposedly have stillborn children (though that does not explain why the first twin lived).
There is also the mundane explanation of a premature birth, combined with the effects of qirri in fetal development, lack of proper nutrition, etc. (I don't think this was the case but had to mention it).
I believe the passage you're referring to is in TWLW, yes.

I thought the Judging Eye was related to one particular unborn soul and according to this Mimara should've lost the ability after the twins' birth. I can't remember if she actually does lose it though.