[Francis Buck]

ETA: Nevermind, you already saw it lol :p

Madness, someone replied to your question about Ledoux on Westeros:

Reggie's dialogue during the fight at the cookhouse, once handcuffed:
 
It's time, isn't it? The black stars.
Black stars rise.
-why the antlers?-
I know what happens next. I saw you in my dream. You're in Carcosa now with me. He sees you.
-Marty!-
You'll do this again. Time is a flat circle.
-Listen, Nietzsche, STFU-
Black stars...
--Marty shoots him.--
 
Or do you mean what he's saying while Rust is yelling at Dewall? If so, I'll have to go rewatch to see if I missed anything.

Anyways, my basic thoughts on the episode last night: I loved it and thought it was great (then again I've felt that way about every single episode). I actually didn't have a problem with the way it was kind of going over stuff we already knew/guessed, just because everything's so well done.

The score really stood out to me this episode as well, primarily in two scenes. First there's the one where Rust meets with Tuttle (a great scene in and of itself), there's this little tune that plays that I loved. It wasn't even for very long, but it just gave such an interesting and unique feel to the scene.

The other one was the Maggie/Rust scene. The music that played there made the whole thing seem at once creepy, surreal, ominous, and tragic. Just great. The score for this is actually very subtle, but it's brilliant. There's one piece that plays a lot throughout various episodes, and it instills an amazing sense of foreboding and evil. Really good stuff.

[Callan S.]

So...hart hypocritically has sex with beth and there's this issue people have with a long, panting and grunting sex scene...people who will go on to watch porn at some time during the week or month?

Pulled you through the 4th wall, more like.

Still, might fall into 'too smart for it's own good' territory.

[Madness]

'True Detective,' Flat Circles And The Eternal Search For Meaning

[Wic]

Anybody see this?

http://i.imgur.com/cvRO1FF.png
http://i.imgur.com/LRZmsmg.png

Maggie has a painting in their bedroom that exactly matches the mural found in the mental institution Cohle visits when he sees the girl they saved from Reggie 'Motherfuckin' Ledoux.

I think what they've been hinting at - rather than some Lost-TV-everything-is-magic nonsense - is an entire local culture so embedded/influenced by this cult that it's symbols seep into the social structure without any of the core rituals really being exposed.  The demon-catchers at the school and around Dora Lange and in the shed; the spirals on skin and on the drawing Marty's daughter made, all suggest this.  And here's something Pizzolatto said:

"There’s no red herrings in this show. I don't play games with my audience. I don't tell them something is one thing and then they find out it's not. No tricks up my sleeve."

Which is why I ignore all the Losty suggestions.

And even though I just said that, I think between the 'green-eared monster' and the pacman ghost-like head of one of the characters in Marty's daughters sexual drawings, and the fact that Cohle noted all of these murders going on along the coastline, I'm kinda sure there's a Lovecraft creature involved (who notoriously favor being in water).  But that's me.

[Madness]

I want to take some time to respond to this thread but my mind really isn't into it right now.

And even though I just said that, I think between the 'green-eared monster' and the pacman ghost-like head of one of the characters in Marty's daughters sexual drawings, and the fact that Cohle noted all of these murders going on along the coastline, I'm kinda sure there's a Lovecraft creature involved (who notoriously favor being in water).  But that's me.

I'm really hoping that NP has committed to the "Wierd Fiction" idea. I want this to end Lovecraftian and incomprehensible.

[Madness]

The Ultimate Occult Companion to HBO’s “True Detective”

Got this from Westeros.

EDIT: Finished reading as I posted.

This picture of Hart’s daughter Audrey posing with her painting contains signs we’re familiar with. The face contains black stars and the woman has a yellow hat. Both are reminiscent of the yellow king, which raises a question we never thought to ask—was Audrey molested by or somehow associated with the Yellow King?

The internet actually thought to ask...

[Aural]

To be fair, he could've been referring to himself as 'we' the way that Inchoroi in TWP did.

But to be honest, of all the mysteries in TD, the one about whether Aurdrey was abused or saw something or whatever I find the least interesting... Of course it's terrible for someone to be abused or exposed to those crimes, but from a narrative PoV who gives a shit?

[sciborg2]

To be fair, he could've been referring to himself as 'we' the way that Inchoroi in TWP did.

But to be honest, of all the mysteries in TD, the one about whether Aurdrey was abused or saw something or whatever I find the least interesting... Of course it's terrible for someone to be abused or exposed to those crimes, but from a narrative PoV who gives a shit?

Yeah, I feel like this has become something of a bizarre side-plot. Where I think it matters is that the cult is just too large to do anything about. It's not 10 or even 50 people, it's a huge chunk of the population in that area.

So I think Marty and Rust are going to take down Tuttles and Childresses, but there will be more families waiting in the wings to keep the tradition alive.

[Callan S.]

To be fair, he could've been referring to himself as 'we' the way that Inchoroi in TWP did.

But to be honest, of all the mysteries in TD, the one about whether Aurdrey was abused or saw something or whatever I find the least interesting... Of course it's terrible for someone to be abused or exposed to those crimes, but from a narrative PoV who gives a shit?

Reminds me of the hobo who gets accidentally shot and killed in disciple of the dog and it just feels like it gets in the way of the narrative.

Which is the point.

[Madness]

Really interesting infographics:

True Detective by Nigel Evan Dennis

[Cüréthañ]

Well, I managed to get all caught up on this show whilst recuperating recently.  Gotta say, thanks for the recommend guys. 
Early episodes seemed bit slow and drawn out, but that perspective was probably lent by the opiates.  But man, the tone, acting, editing, direction cinematography and soundtrack is masterful.

Storywise, the focus on Hart's home life was annoying me, but now I suspect it might contain important clues. 

Anyone else think that Hart is involved in Carcosa from a familial perspective? 
I keep thinking that Hart is set to ultimately betray Cohle, but my conviction wavers.

Beyond the obvious hint of his name;
his daughter's drawings and the Barbie diorama,
the constant questioning of Cohle's deductions,
going straight to the kids at the farm(did he ensure the boy was dead?),
plugging Reggie before he could talk, perhaps Ledoux recognized Hart from Carcosa, not Cohle.

[Madness]

Glad you got into it, Curethan. Just another impressive example of the noosphere's ability . To think I was introduced by this very thread. But I only had to watch three to catch up.

I also want to note how (re)impressed I am with MM and WH. I've always thought MM and WH are fantastic actors, even if MM did do a lot of romcoms, he acted the shit out of them. He's like the Daniel Day Lewis of chick flicks. And WH... jeez, see his resume. And he acted the hell out of those too.

I don't think Hart will betray Cohle, Curethan. But I'm still on about Maggie's parents and, perhaps, Maggie herself.

FB and I were talking some days ago and the biggest mystery to me is... the scale of the events depicted in EP8 preview. I really feel like it's going to be EP4x2.

[Cüréthañ]

Well, interesting conclusion.

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Surprised that Hart was the one to achieve redemption, although it makes sense in retrospect.

[Royce]

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Well, you could argue that Rust got his redemption too. From a more religious perspective, he kind of felt that his daughter was alright, wherever she went.So he woke up with a new insight so to speak.

[Cüréthañ]

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Oh, I don't feel like Rust needed or got redemption.

He was the virtuous questing knight from the start - a 'good' man that only other 'good' people would recognize as such.

Whole reason that Hart found it difficult to get along with him, 'cause Hart was a selfish, myopic arsehole.
Hart finally did the right thing and there you go, his family are there in the hospital at the end and Maggie is wearing her wedding ring.

Redeemed, Hart can finally be the friend Rust needs.  That and his comforting near death experience formed Rust's 'reward', but he never really did anything he needed to be redeemed from.