The Second Apocalypse

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Title: Stuff to Blow Your Mind: On Alien Philosophy and Dark Fantasy
Post by: Somnambulist on May 23, 2017, 10:44:07 pm
Robert from STBYM just put this up:

http://www.stufftoblowyourmind.com/podcasts/alien-philosophy-second-apocalypse.htm (http://www.stufftoblowyourmind.com/podcasts/alien-philosophy-second-apocalypse.htm)
Title: Re: Stuff to Blow Your Mind: On Alien Philosophy and Dark Fantasy
Post by: themerchant on May 24, 2017, 01:14:14 am
Sweet! Cheers for the link.
Title: Re: Stuff to Blow Your Mind: On Alien Philosophy and Dark Fantasy
Post by: Hiro on May 24, 2017, 11:56:09 am
Yep, thanks, that was an interesting hour.

A TSA cast with Bakker would be the ultimate.
Title: Re: Stuff to Blow Your Mind: On Alien Philosophy and Dark Fantasy
Post by: H on May 24, 2017, 01:57:19 pm
Neat, I think that Bakker pretty well confirms some of our suspicions here that Inchoroi, and probably Nonmen, are allegories of post-humanism.
Title: Re: Stuff to Blow Your Mind: On Alien Philosophy and Dark Fantasy
Post by: Hiro on May 24, 2017, 01:59:29 pm
Neat, I think that Bakker pretty well confirms some of our suspicions here that Inchoroi, and probably Nonmen, are allegories of post-humanism.

True.

On another note (just at the Quorum), I am not sure what to make of Bakker's view on TWP and TTT versus TAE installments.
Title: Re: Stuff to Blow Your Mind: On Alien Philosophy and Dark Fantasy
Post by: Madness on May 24, 2017, 02:26:22 pm
Lol - well, I very much liked it but it could have been much, much better. The co-host unfortunately almost tanked that session.

A TSA cast with Bakker would be the ultimate.

It's on the list of Dream Dreams.

Neat, I think that Bakker pretty well confirms some of our suspicions here that Inchoroi, and probably Nonmen, are allegories of post-humanism.

Lol - Lamb calls the Inchoroi "hedonists." Surely, he knows the Westerosi coals he's kicking...

On another note (just at the Quorum), I am not sure what to make of Bakker's view on TWP and TTT versus TAE installments.

Really?

Title: Re: Stuff to Blow Your Mind: On Alien Philosophy and Dark Fantasy
Post by: Hiro on May 26, 2017, 12:38:07 pm

On another note (just at the Quorum), I am not sure what to make of Bakker's view on TWP and TTT versus TAE installments.

Lol - well, I very much liked it but it could have been much, much better. The co-host unfortunately almost tanked that session.

A TSA cast with Bakker would be the ultimate.

It's on the list of Dream Dreams.

Neat, I think that Bakker pretty well confirms some of our suspicions here that Inchoroi, and probably Nonmen, are allegories of post-humanism.

Lol - Lamb calls the Inchoroi "hedonists." Surely, he knows the Westerosi coals he's kicking...

On another note (just at the Quorum), I am not sure what to make of Bakker's view on TWP and TTT versus TAE installments.

Really?



Yes, really. I guess I should be more specific:

What exactly Bakker finds not to his liking (any more?) as compared to the TAE installments?

What did he not accomplish, that he feels he has been accomplishing in the writing of TAE?

I assume it is related to the pressure the deadlines exude on the writing and the ultimate result. In my opinion, PON, and TWP / TTT in particular, read as more cohesive, compulsive and satisfactory on the whole, as compared to TAE. TUC not included, of course.

While I appreciate TAE's ambitions, I find it (perhaps a reread will convince me otherwise) less successful as a narrative overall, compared to PON. I know Bakker has acknowledged some of these issues as arising from the differences in the character interactions in PON, which are missing (so far) in TAE. I asked the question to understand whether Bakker was again focusing on the narrative nuts and bolts in his podcast remark, or if it was a matter of the execution of said nuts and bolts. Or some combination of plan and execution.

Title: Re: Stuff to Blow Your Mind: On Alien Philosophy and Dark Fantasy
Post by: TaoHorror on May 26, 2017, 08:21:14 pm
Well, art is opinion ultimately - just see it very differently, each book besting the previous, which is not to criticize any of them. At the risk of being called a star-fucker, Bakker's work has been the most thought provoking/fun read I've encountered. All of it wild and special - the stuff just speaks to me, even though I struggle to understand much of it - but it's been a lot of fun trying and connecting with you cats to talk it all through. Every one of his "turns" has surprised me without cheap shock, all making sense when the dust settles. In short, I get his mad.