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Title: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:56:37 pm
Quote from: Curethan
Post it here.
Can't seem to get img tags working so here's a link.
http://juandahlmann.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/serbian-cover-art-for-two-of-scott-bakkers-prince-of-nothing-books/ (http://juandahlmann.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/serbian-cover-art-for-two-of-scott-bakkers-prince-of-nothing-books/)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:56:42 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
I quite like them! Shame the commenters don't. But it's interesting to see what are interelated ideas not only take an actual form in someone elses mind but actually depict it in physical form. Seeing how it comes to life/how the in between details come to life is interesting! :)

And I find the big, bleeding, scary eye to be scary!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:56:47 pm
Quote from: Madness
I thought Achamian was black or Arabian or something. As is Esmenet lol. (Second cover must be Achamian engaging the Imperial Saik at Shimeh).
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:56:51 pm
Quote from: lockesnow
This is the sort of shit Bakker needs a website for. :)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:56:56 pm
Quote from: Sideris
Quote from: Madness
I thought Achamian was black or Arabian or something. As is Esmenet lol. (Second cover must be Achamian engaging the Imperial Saik at Shimeh).

They're both Arabian-esque in skin tone and features, like most Ketyai. All the permutations therein count.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:01 pm
Quote from: Jorge
Those covers are not good. The first one is passable, although it would make me hesitant to buy the book (the old adage continues to stand).

As for the second... I've seen better art on the front of 3rd party D&D modules for fuck's sake. The woman on the second book is a hypersexualized cartoon like something out of a bad 80s band cd cover.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:06 pm
Quote from: Curethan
I know, right.  But it's nice to see something. :p I wonder how sales went in Serbia.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:10 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Hypersexualised? Really? I mean, they had just been having...sex? I'll be cheeky - perhaps she could be wearing a large black sheet to cover her, then it would be... ;)

Granted, picking that one seems a bit selective, taking a genuine scene as perhaps an attempted sexual draw card.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:15 pm
Quote from: Jorge
Callan, when people like ACM complain about women being objectified in genre, covers like that give her complaints validity and credibility.

Thankfully, all the covers in the West have been top-notch.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:19 pm
Quote from: Madness
Jorge, please go back to... the 90's or earlier and pick up any Western science fiction, and many fantasy, novels and it seems all of them with male protagonists - a large percentage of those genres - have, what you so helpfully dubbed, hypersexualized imagery.

Unless, of course, that was sarcasm. Damn intraweb.

Now, perhaps, things like this justify ACM's perspective - which, at this point, might as well simply represent the very moniker of Epitomized Feminism rather than the person herself in our discussions  - but within the contexts of the discussions you seem to have, why should she be treated as anything more than an animal, a Feminist creature?

I mean, she's getting angry at some hardwiring that you seem to agree - not an opinion I necessarily hold - is going prove our lack of conscious agency. Men are just playing the cards they're dealt. She might as well get angry at her period, right? [Sarcasm :)]
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:26 pm
Quote from: Jorge
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Jorge, please go back to... the 90's or earlier and pick up any Western science fiction, and many fantasy, novels and it seems all of them with male protagonists - a large percentage of those genres - have, what you so helpfully dubbed, hypersexualized imagery.

You misunderstood me. I meant BAKKER'S covers in the West.

Damn ambiguities.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:32 pm
Quote from: Madness
Excepting those ones with the face... IMO. Not hypersexualized. Just not good.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:36 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Jorge, ACM's point is to enforce absolutely zero compromise with other groups of humans over certain issues. I guess in regards to so called female 'circumcision' I'm a no compromise person as well, I'll have to admit. But in terms of this cover - it's hit a no compromise point already? Really? Akka is far more naked...no, still hit a point of no compromise? (and I'd pay I'd like Esme to be shooting dragon ball z blasts as well, but A: it's a patriarchal society and b: ironically to be patriarchal is to get the mark/be damned.)

It doesn't grant validity and credulence to her point, unless the person is inclined towards an utterly intollerant and zero compromise position anyway.

I think it'd be cooler if she was facing towards the enemy, keeping a theme of everyones back is to the camera (except the opposition) the first cover had. Indeed the contrast of that to the western covers, where the characters faces are right in your face and that's ALL you can see, is an interesting contrast.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:41 pm
Quote from: jmcdonagh
Here is some illustartions I made:-

http://jackmcdonagh.daportfolio.com/gallery/548457#5

http://jackmcdonagh.daportfolio.com/gallery/548457#6
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:46 pm
Quote from: Madness
Very neat man. These guys inspired me to draw a skin spy the other day but I'm still rounding out his body. Posting it soon.

I have none of your natural talent though. While the Ark moved me, I liked the shot of Moenghus? that you did.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:51 pm
Quote from: Camlost
@jmcdonagh I really like the disheveled landscape, it bespeaks of ancient desolation to me. I'd be interested to see your interpretation of Kellhus bound to the Circumfix
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:57:57 pm
Quote from: Mats
Quote from: Callan S.
Jorge, ACM's point is to enforce absolutely zero compromise with other groups of humans over certain issues. I guess in regards to so called female 'circumcision' I'm a no compromise person as well, I'll have to admit. But in terms of this cover - it's hit a no compromise point already? Really? Akka is far more naked...no, still hit a point of no compromise?

It's not just about the clothes-to-skin ratio, but also character pose, placement, action, etc. It's a shit cover by every relevant measure.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:02 pm
Quote from: The Sharmat
Quote from: jmcdonagh
Here is some illustartions I made:-

http://jackmcdonagh.daportfolio.com/gallery/548457#5

http://jackmcdonagh.daportfolio.com/gallery/548457#6

I like your style and your illustrations. Not quite how I envisioned the Ark though. Thought it was pitched against the sky rather than perpendicular to the ground? Hit at a slightly oblique angle I believe.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:07 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Quote from: Mats
Quote from: Callan S.
Jorge, ACM's point is to enforce absolutely zero compromise with other groups of humans over certain issues. I guess in regards to so called female 'circumcision' I'm a no compromise person as well, I'll have to admit. But in terms of this cover - it's hit a no compromise point already? Really? Akka is far more naked...no, still hit a point of no compromise?

It's not just about the clothes-to-skin ratio, but also character pose, placement, action, etc. It's a shit cover by every relevant measure.
I'd get if you wanted to haggle, so to speak - to push for the end of the bargain you find preferable and talk about elements you'd have added or subtracted as a proposal, with some amount of middle ground found in the end.

But it seems you've hit a no compromise zone?

And to me, that seems so soon.

I mean, that scene basically did happen in the story. How did you imagine it when you read it? Or did you actually imagine it roughly the same way, but you wouldn't put what you imagine on the front cover of a book?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:12 pm
Quote from: Mats
Quote from: Callan S.
I'd get if you wanted to haggle, so to speak - to push for the end of the bargain you find preferable and talk about elements you'd have added or subtracted as a proposal, with some amount of middle ground found in the end.

But it seems you've hit a no compromise zone?

And to me, that seems so soon.

I mean, that scene basically did happen in the story. How did you imagine it when you read it? Or did you actually imagine it roughly the same way, but you wouldn't put what you imagine on the front cover of a book?

During that scene, did I imagine a white Akka rising up towards schoolmen, while Esme cowered pitifully in the back helplessly, making sure to let just a small titillating amount of leg, waist and side-boob dazzle the viewer? Fuck no.

And "so soon?" Really? Are we required to go through a mandatory back-and-forth, riposte and parry, haggling and arguing, just to arrive at the conclusion that that particular cover is cynically designed to appeal to those looking for a juvenile white male empowerment fantasy, like those that has left the entire fantasy genre so utterly wretched? Honestly, isn't there better things to worry about?

I get that most Bakker-fans are somewhat skittish whenever feminism is brought up these days, but let's not impose relativism on every instance, k? Sometimes, a spade is just a spade and sexist bullshit is just sexist bullshit.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:19 pm
Quote from: Bastard of Godsgrace
Quote from: Mats
During that scene, did I imagine a white Akka rising up towards schoolmen, while Esme cowered pitifully in the back helplessly, making sure to let just a small titillating amount of leg, waist and side-boob dazzle the viewer? Fuck no.

And "so soon?" Really? Are we required to go through a mandatory back-and-forth, riposte and parry, haggling and arguing, just to arrive at the conclusion that that particular cover is cynically designed to appeal to those looking for a juvenile white male empowerment fantasy, like those that has left the entire fantasy genre so utterly wretched? Honestly, isn't there better things to worry about?

I get that most Bakker-fans are somewhat skittish whenever feminism is brought up these days, but let's not impose relativism on every instance, k? Sometimes, a spade is just a spade and sexist bullshit is just sexist bullshit.


I am not saying those aren't crappy covers (they are), but in the context of the culture they were created in all those concerns would be quite alien (and I know what I am saying, since I am an Eastern European myself.)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:26 pm
Quote from: Mats
That's fair enough. I suppose my concern is mainly that if Bakker-fans as a community can't even agree that something as overtly juvenile and sexist as that cover is, in fact, juvenile and sexist, then how can we properly engage with the alleged sexism in Bakker's works?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:31 pm
Quote from: sciborg2
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cowered pitifully in the back helplessly, making sure to let just a small titillating amount of leg, waist and side-boob dazzle the viewer?

This is how I picture everyone on this forum actually. 'Specially the side boob dazzle. ;-)

In all seriousness, I think what Callan is saying is that on some level a good swath of the global population wants to have sex with the opposite gender. The challenge then becomes sorting out the sexual from the sexist.

From there, you run into the concept of moral, I know it when I see it, objection. This is where ACM and those who agree with her are on the other side of a chasm. Though I do think there's some allowance for debate on certain books like those of Le Guin.

For me, I'd say the cover is a silly one, as well as a sexist one. It emphasizes Akka's power (while managing to ignore his girth) and the helplessness of Esmi. Yet the scene does actually happen, and isn't overtly sexist in and of itself. I'd say the problem is more in the conflation of titillation and helplessness.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:36 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Well, perhaps we could photoshop venus from the birth of venus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_Venus_%28Botticelli%29) in to replace Esme? Hae, Venus! Boob cover fail! Swooshy ride, though!

But to me, it makes me think how these fictional worlds really are incredibly intentful. The intent for this bit is this, the intent for that bit is that. You can have a doco where the natives breasts are out because blah, that's just how it is, but get to fiction and bam, this side bit of bosom is there for THIS reason. Nothing in fiction is just, blah, there. It all has some intentful intent behind it. More often than not, it's exactly the intent the viewer sees, consistantly. I presume that's what it's like in Earwa's outside. The distance between desire and fact is shortened - even if the desire is to see something as dread. And in such a case, it makes it dread. The poisoning eye? Or is that a Finnish metal band?

It's not like I'm open minded on everything - so called female 'circumcision' I'm damn close minded on (oh fucking bullshit it's circumcision!!!!! (even male circumcision is just fucking mutilation, but atleast it's relatively cosmetic mutilation)). Now these covers might be pulp, going out to alot of untidy places. But I have a hard time just calling them sexist without calling the birth of Venus sexist. So what if the birth of Venus is kept in a hoity toity art gallery? If someone can explicity state the rules they use to differentiate, fair enough. Otherwise I think it's just being in the grip of a stampeding elephant. EVEN then, if you choose to have your actions dictated by any strong emotion that comes through, then say your choice. Own it.

So, what are people using? For anyone not stating explicit rules, I'm going to assume people are just acting on whatever strong emotion that comes in. And I'm not even knocking that if a person chooses that. What I would knock though, is where the person hasn't chosen, and instead the emotions are choosing the person. If you can't describe explicit rules and you also can't say you choose to let any emotion coming through dictate your actions, then I'm just not talking to who's in charge on the matter. So explicit rules? Or choosing to cede actions to gut feeling? Again, not knocking the latter as a choice.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:42 pm
Quote from: Mats
Fine. Rules:

-Don't depict women in stupid poses that emphasizes their sexuality to the detriment of everything else (fuck you, comics).

-Don't angle the shot in ways that blatantly pander to the male gaze.

-Don't white-wash. Ever.

-Don't excuse any of this shit by appealing to moral relativity just because you happen to like the cover in question.

-If you listen to a Finnish metal band, and it's not Reverend Bizarre, enjoy dying alone.

Oh, and if you ever shoot a docu and the cover of said docu is a tantalizing shot of some aboriginal leathery side-boob-action, I'd hazard most people would find that quite disturbing! :p
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:49 pm
Quote from: Jorge
Yes. Thank you.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:58:58 pm
Quote from: Francis Buck
Quote from: jmcdonagh
Here is some illustartions I made:-

http://jackmcdonagh.daportfolio.com/gallery/548457#5

http://jackmcdonagh.daportfolio.com/gallery/548457#6

Awesome stuff dude. I've always wanted to see depictions of Aurang, the Sranc, Bashrag...*hint* *hint*  ;)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:02 pm
Quote from: Ajokli
Quote from: jmcdonagh
Here is some illustartions I made:-

http://jackmcdonagh.daportfolio.com/gallery/548457#5

http://jackmcdonagh.daportfolio.com/gallery/548457#6

I still love it being in black and white.

Re: Silly book covers, this site has given me a head-scratching moments

http://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/ (http://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:07 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Quote from: Mats
Fine. Rules:

-Don't depict women in stupid poses that emphasizes their sexuality to the detriment of everything else (fuck you, comics).

-Don't angle the shot in ways that blatantly pander to the male gaze.
After years of studying RPG designs on another forum where every five minutes people would use subjective words as if they were objective enough to base a rule around, I aught to have seen this coming. Really, fail on me.

'Stupid', 'Emphasize', 'Detriment', 'Pander'

These words hinge on a judge. Ask a thousand people to judge if these words apply, you wont get the SAME answer. Ask a thousand people to use a ruler to measure a piece of string, you will get the SAME answer (unless people are fucking around).

Do you use these sorts of words because you have chosen to be fine with a judge? And much like Earwa, what happens when the judge's justice doesn't actually go your way?

These aren't rules, until the terms would produce the ONE answer from a survey of a thousand people or so. So I'm not speaking to who's in charge.

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-Don't white-wash. Ever.
The depiction seems to just be an erronious one. It's a mistake. I'm not sure this rule applies for the reason you think, but indeed an error did occur and the wash was white, so I can atleast relate to this somewhat.

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-Don't excuse any of this shit by appealing to moral relativity just because you happen to like the cover in question.
Don't try cultural imperialism and think it's fine for you to take that position. In no way are you interested in me taking up a cultural dictatorial stance over you, me telling you what you are to feel, from now on, forever - what makes you think you're somehow more worthy of a cultural dictators position than I?

If you want some sort of atleast semi shared cultural standard on these matters (which I can understand and relate to - pretty much everything rests on shared or atleast semi shared cultural standards), attempting it through the shock jock shame down method isn't going to make that happen. Or atleast by my estimate it isn't.

Did someone teach you this method works in some way? What was their name?

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Oh, and if you ever shoot a docu and the cover of said docu is a tantalizing shot of some aboriginal leathery side-boob-action, I'd hazard most people would find that quite disturbing! :p
See, to me I read this and think "And so people think they are pro feminism, then they ascribe some sort of derogitory quality to womens anatomy...bizaare! What about women who have gone through masectomies - how about a derogitory word for them and their 'leathery' scars as well?"

To me it seems obvious we both have excentricities of value, and thus even more reason to try and work something out, rather than one side just dictating that it will be treated as X.

In the end I'd be good with a reverse of the genders - woman going off, magic blaring from her palms (indeed, with her top up done up even, rather than how Akka has his chest bared), man barely covered and reclined (side of buttock revealed - I've heard some women like mens buttocks!). I'm thinking the man reaching out, dread expression of concern across his face rather than mouth covering, cause that mouth covering doesn't seem to fit. But maybe a tear running from his eye as well, simply because that really does jar against what seems to fit. But that's sexist too, because the womans going out to do all the work while the guy lays around doin' nuffin and a weeper... :p

In the end, I'm pretty sure the birth of venus could be exploited by companies for profit. That doesn't make me hate the art, though, nor want it to never exist/for it to burn. I like the art. The way the companies implement it though, I may not like (I think someone gave a link to a 'wall of vaginas' artwork in another thread - that could be exploited by companies as well, me thinks).
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:15 pm
Quote from: Madness
One thought, Callan.

Those suggestions about balance and letting men be objectified instead of women for awhile are still sexist.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:20 pm
Quote from: The Sharmat
I think the cover is at the least emulating the cheesy titillation of 70's and 80's scifi/fantasy novels, and is a bit sexist. However as a general rule I don't see how using the appeal of the female form is inherently sexist, any more than the admiration of any other trait a given female might possess. In fact this attitude to nudity has always struck me as more puritan and regressive than feminist.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:25 pm
Quote from: Mats
Quote from: Callan S.
Fine. Rules:
After years of studying RPG designs on another forum where every five minutes people would use subjective words as if they were objective enough to base a rule around, I aught to have seen this coming. Really, fail on me.

'Stupid', 'Emphasize', 'Detriment', 'Pander'

These words hinge on a judge. Ask a thousand people to judge if these words apply, you wont get the SAME answer. Ask a thousand people to use a ruler to measure a piece of string, you will get the SAME answer (unless people are fucking around).

Do you use these sorts of words because you have chosen to be fine with a judge? And much like Earwa, what happens when the judge's justice doesn't actually go your way?

These aren't rules, until the terms would produce the ONE answer from a survey of a thousand people or so. So I'm not speaking to who's in charge.

Ugg. See, Callan, now I am wondering whether you are arguing in good faith, because I believe you know EXACTLY what I mean. Bodies angled in such a manner as to be completely impractical in context of the action depicted. Camera angles that serves only to enhance female sexuality, regardless of whether or not that is relevant to the scene in question. The only relevant discussion, as far I can tell, is whether it is in fact a problem. I'd argue that yes, obviously, it is a problem, because the relentless focus on female sexuality to the point where everything else takes a back seat is in inherently dehumanizing. That's what I think, anyway.

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Don't try cultural imperialism and think it's fine for you to take that position. In no way are you interested in me taking up a cultural dictatorial stance over you, me telling you what you are to feel, from now on, forever - what makes you think you're somehow more worthy of a cultural dictators position than I?

Chiefly because I am right.

Compromise is only the right course if all parties have valid points. Arguing for explicit depictions of the female anatomy for commercial gain is not something anyone needs to take seriously. Pointing this out is not 'cultural imperialism', it's moral certainty. And I get that you enjoy practising your Scott-impersonation, but his uncertainty-shtick doesn't actually apply to all situations and sometimes a no-compromise approach is required for societal progress. As I am certain all civil rights activist will tell you happily.

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See, to me I read this and think "And so people think they are pro feminism, then they ascribe some sort of derogitory quality to womens anatomy...bizaare! What about women who have gone through masectomies - how about a derogitory word for them and their 'leathery' scars as well?"

Yeah, that's called being a contrarian. It's rather unflattering.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:31 pm
Quote from: Madness
Mats, I've enjoyed reading your opinions so far - six posts to know someone right ;)?

I don't disagree with much of what you've written, I just had a thought for you.

Quote from: Mats
Arguing for explicit depictions of the female anatomy for commercial gain is not something anyone needs to take seriously. Pointing this out is not 'cultural imperialism', it's moral certainty.

I don't understand what you mean here.

Do you mean that no one would take it seriously because that's not true in our society and culture today?

or

Do you mean that no one would take it seriously because it is in fact some of the founding research concerning psychology as an actionable discipline and the relationship because advertising and psychology?

I mean, in my experience and to my knowledge the psychorelations indrustry manages perspectives all the time, with these types of corporate relations bringing in huge incomes for graduates. And its only beginning. Pioneering Neuroscience is 100% still involved with the advertising industry.

Real curious about this.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:39 pm
Quote from: Mats
Quote from: Madness
six posts to know someone right ;)?

Gosh, really? Then I better lighten my tone, I think. :p The crassness is an unfortunate side-effect of having limited my online forum time to when I am at work. If I am going to gnash my teeth, I might as well get paid for it.

Quote from: Madness
Do you mean that no one would take it seriously because that's not true in our society and culture today?

or

Do you mean that no one would take it seriously because it is in fact some of the founding research concerning psychology as an actionable discipline and the relationship because advertising and psychology?

You are right, of course, that was a terrible sentence. What I was trying to say was that there is no good reason - in the context of a feminism debate - to take someone seriously if they indeed did argue that exploiting female sexuality for commercial gain is perfectly acceptable/unproblematic.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:47 pm
Quote from: Jorge
Yup, six posts is enough. Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:52 pm
Quote from: Tony P
Quote from: The Sharmat
I think the cover is at the least emulating the cheesy titillation of 70's and 80's scifi/fantasy novels...

It's definitely cheesy, excessively so. I thought it was a screenshot from an early nineties Nintendo game.

Is there some sexism there, sure. Not enough to get excited about, IMHO.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 08:59:56 pm
Quote from: Camlost
Just out of curiosity, not to derail the discussion, do any of us own a copy with said cover?

My PoN trilogy is the Canadian covers, which I think are pretty classy in their simplicity. Although, I'm now considering hunting down this cover just as an inside joke
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:00:17 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
As fun as it is to see people argue, I think it might be scaring people away from actually posting more fan art stuff.

Maybe not, but I only saw 2 posts of art, both before the argument ensued, and none after.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:00:22 pm
Quote from: Sideris
Alas! That is all the art within the fandom! Nah, I'm sure there's more. Arguing over covers, as you say, simply doesn't encourage them. Start a new thread for the cover hate.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:00:27 pm
Quote from: Madness
I'm not sure that this thread was intended for "Fan Art," per say.

I've thought long and hard about the Fan Art issue. For those who have art, post it. Make a thread and show it off. If there is enough interest, I'll make a forum. I'm convinced, however, that many of us here simply want to witness the art and not necessarily create it.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:01:10 pm
Quote from: Sideris
I can't draw worth a damn, so I throw my hat into the witness ring.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:01:52 pm
Quote from: jmcdonagh
http://jackmcdonaghart.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/prince-of-nothing-the-second-apocalypse-sketches-etc/

Heres a few more sketches and concepts ive uploaded onto my blog. (click on permalink to view bigger) More updated stuff to come, full illustrations etc.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:02:13 pm
Quote from: Curethan
Nice stuff, Jack.  Thanks for sharing. 
That would be toasted CJ in the second last one, yes?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:02:22 pm
Quote from: Madness
Beautiful, jmcdonagh.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:02:27 pm
Quote from: jmcdonagh
   

@ Curethan. It is indeed , nice spot.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:02:31 pm
Quote from: themerchant
Wow, swinging Enshoiya around is dangerous, surely Bakker peeps know this  ;-)

EDITS: typos and spelling mistakes, a lot of them in so little words, oops.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:02:36 pm
Quote from: Swense
If anyone has seen the new movie Prometheus, the hairless "precursor" alien at the beginning looked strangely like a Nonmen, except maybe minus the whole beauty aspect.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:02:43 pm
Quote from: Sideris
The Engineers do have that vague Nonman thing going on. Even if they are a bit fugly with their Uncanny Valley faces.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:02:48 pm
Quote from: Madness
The Art of David Rankine[/b] (http://www.davidrankineart.com/) - The artist of my favorite covers of PON.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:02:53 pm
Quote from: Auriga
Quote from: Sideris
The Engineers do have that vague Nonman thing going on. Even if they are a bit fugly with their Uncanny Valley faces.

Yeah. But I think the Nonmen are described as having a weird alien quality, almost a bit "Uncanny Valley", even if their features are symmetrically perfect and they have bodies like statues of Greek gods.

Sort of like this:

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/173/8/a/prometheus_by_countconkula-d54fty0.png)
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:03:00 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
I wonder if the Nonmen women where hot?
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:03:05 pm
Quote from: Auriga
Quote from: Wilshire
I wonder if the Nonmen women where hot?

Well, the Sranc and male Nonmen are described as having "a harsh beauty", so I guess the same goes for the Nonwomen.

I don't know how much sexual dimorphism they had. From the TTT appendix, we do know that at least one human man was punished by the Nonmen for fucking a Nonwoman. So I guess that some dudes were into them.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:04:56 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
Wonder why the Inchoroi decided to use the Men as templates and not the women?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:01 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Quote from: Madness
One thought, Callan.

Those suggestions about balance and letting men be objectified instead of women for awhile are still sexist.
An old post to respond to, but
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Objectification, as we understand it, is reprehensible. Being attracted to somebody is necessary. And there’s somewhere in between there that’s where we’re going to live.
Good quote dharmakirti brought up at the TPB (http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/a-dirge-for-the-troubling-and-the-new/#comment-8758)

I'm not sure if mat still posts. I let that cool, anyway.

More on topic, jmcdonagh' art is pretty much hitting the nail on the head, it seems! The nonman chariot had me boggled at first at the incongruance, until I recognised it. Which seemed part of the art, particularly in how the ground is almost just a simple line and the non central positioning of the chariot is at a non sequetuer position. Via the minimalism I think it really emphasised how out of place that is.

Wilshire, probably the aggression levels. Easier to amplify what is there, rather than have to build it from scratch (well, women can get aggressive, but it usually takes alot to get there (IMO - probably more inclined to do so in protecting children/their children - that's no good for a weapon race, really))
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:07 pm
Quote from: Auriga
Quote from: Callan S.
More on topic, jmcdonagh' art is pretty much hitting the nail on the head, it seems

Yep. I especially like the stark black-and-white contrasts, since the story takes place in a world with a black-and-white moral code (absolute damnation after death or absolute salvation), while almost all characters are what we'd call "morally grey".

I always thought PON would be well suited as a Japanese graphic novel, for several reasons, and this visual touch is one of them. It's literally an universe of blacks and whites. 

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Wilshire, probably the aggression levels. Easier to amplify what is there, rather than have to build it from scratch (well, women can get aggressive, but it usually takes alot to get there (IMO - probably more inclined to do so in protecting children/their children - that's no good for a weapon race, really))

Although the female Sranc seem to have the same aggression levels as the male ones. If I remember the TTT appendix right, a lot of pregnant Sranc fought in battles during the first Apocalypse.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:13 pm
Quote from: Madness
Quote from: Auriga
If I remember the TTT appendix right, a lot of pregnant Sranc fought in battles during the first Apocalypse.

+1.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:17 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
Since presumably the physical differences are similar in Male/Female Nonmen as they are in Male/Female humans, I'd imagine that at the reduced size the the sranc are (compared to Nonmen) it would probably be difficult to tell apart those physical differences. The Inchoroi likely did use both men and women Nonmen as templates, though the sranc genders ended up being about the same once everything was said and done.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:21 pm
Quote from: Auriga
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Since presumably the physical differences are similar in Male/Female Nonmen as they are in Male/Female humans, I'd imagine that at the reduced size the the sranc are (compared to Nonmen) it would probably be difficult to tell apart those physical differences.

The Sranc only have the faces of Nonmen, not their bodies. Going by descriptions, they seem to have simian bodies. They also have dog-like legs, to let them run faster on all fours (in WLW, only the lightest cavalry can outrun the Sranc, while the heavy knights get taken down). And they're very short, probably because their makers wanted them to have small energy-conserving bodies that don't need much food.

I dunno how physically different the faces of Nonmen and Nonwomen are, since we have no living Nonwomen to compare with. That's the only way to tell genders with Sranc (that, and the lack of constant raging boners in female Sranc - although, knowing Bakker, they might be shemales), since their bodies are about as unisex as those of dogs and apes.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:27 pm
Quote from: lockesnow
Quote from: Auriga
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Since presumably the physical differences are similar in Male/Female Nonmen as they are in Male/Female humans, I'd imagine that at the reduced size the the sranc are (compared to Nonmen) it would probably be difficult to tell apart those physical differences.

The Sranc only have the faces of Nonmen, not their bodies. Going by descriptions, they seem to have simian bodies. They also have dog-like legs, to let them run faster on all fours (in WLW, only the lightest cavalry can outrun the Sranc, while the heavy knights get taken down). And they're very short, probably because their makers wanted them to have small energy-conserving bodies that don't need much food.

I dunno how physically different the faces of Nonmen and Nonwomen are, since we have no living Nonwomen to compare with. That's the only way to tell genders with Sranc (that, and the lack of constant raging boners in female Sranc - although, knowing Bakker, they might be shemales), since their bodies are about as unisex as those of dogs and apes.

Also smaller mammals reproduce more often with larger litters and have shorter cycles to carry to term.  The inchoroi probably wanted something small enough to allow more than one offspring per female per term.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:33 pm
Quote from: lockesnow
Quote from: Auriga
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Since presumably the physical differences are similar in Male/Female Nonmen as they are in Male/Female humans, I'd imagine that at the reduced size the the sranc are (compared to Nonmen) it would probably be difficult to tell apart those physical differences.

The Sranc only have the faces of Nonmen, not their bodies. Going by descriptions, they seem to have simian bodies. They also have dog-like legs, to let them run faster on all fours (in WLW, only the lightest cavalry can outrun the Sranc, while the heavy knights get taken down). And they're very short, probably because their makers wanted them to have small energy-conserving bodies that don't need much food.

I dunno how physically different the faces of Nonmen and Nonwomen are, since we have no living Nonwomen to compare with. That's the only way to tell genders with Sranc (that, and the lack of constant raging boners in female Sranc - although, knowing Bakker, they might be shemales), since their bodies are about as unisex as those of dogs and apes.

Also smaller mammals reproduce more often with larger litters and have shorter cycles to carry to term.  The inchoroi probably wanted something small enough to allow more than one offspring per female per term.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:38 pm
Quote from: Auriga
Quote from: Wilshire
That would make sense. Though Bakker said that the sranc, when standing at least, are around 5 feet tall. That isnt that much shorter, though they do spend most of their time running on all fours. I imagine the nonmen at close to 7 feet.

That sounds about right, though I imagined the Sranc to be shorter than that.

The Sranc are clearly the shortest of Eärwa's bipedal species, with humans being middle-height, and Nonmen being the tallest. And, of course, the Inchoroi are taller than all of these.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:43 pm
Quote from: bbaztek
What about Bashrag? They're probably around Inchie height if I had to guess
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:05:54 pm
Quote from: Auriga
Quote from: bbaztek
What about Bashrag? They're probably around Inchie height if I had to guess

Right. I totally forgot the Bashrag, as usual. They don't have very memorable parts in the story, so I rarely remember them. Yeah, I'd guess they are around Inchoroi height, but much broader (triple skeletons fused together, and all that).

(I left out the dragons from the list, for obvious reasons.)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:02 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
No idea how tall the Inchoroi may be, but I imagine the bashrag like the standard barbarian race height. So in Earwa more like the size of the Nonmen, a head or so taller than men. Having extra skeletons doesn't make you taller.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:07 pm
Quote from: Duskweaver
Quote from: Wilshire
No idea how tall the Inchoroi may be,
In The False Sun, Aurang is described as "no more than half again as tall as a man". So 8-9 feet, probably.

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but I imagine the bashrag like the standard barbarian race height. So in Earwa more like the size of the Nonmen, a head or so taller than men.
In TWLW, they're described as "towering over the Sranc", to the point that they can be spotted among the Horde from a significant distance away.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:13 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
yeah but if the horde is all bent over, making them only a couple feet tall, even a 6 foot man would stick out pretty well, especially if he was several times the girth of the sranc. It really wouldn't take much to stand out. The eyes are drawn to anything different to begin with.


Think of a big white fat guy standing in a horde of small brown furry monkeys.
Now invert it. A big fat 7foot tall gorrilla standing in a horde of 15 year old hairless boys, sitting on their heels and playing in the grass.

Shouldn't be hard to pick out.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:18 pm
Quote from: Duskweaver
Fair point.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:22 pm
Quote from: Madness
Horrifying... like terrifying fucking rats. Sranc, that is.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:27 pm
Quote from: Madness
Quote from: Cu'jara Cinmoi, 2005
Interesting question. I think I actually have a pretty clear idea of their relative heights, using myself and Kellhus as a reference point.

-Kellhus 6'6"
-Cnaiur 6'4"
-Achamian 5'7"
-Cunuroi as a race, their average height 6'
-Inchoroi as a race, their average height 8'+
-The Sranc 4'8"
-Conphas 5'10"
-Proyas 5'11"
-Yalgrota 7'10"
-Esmenet 5'3"
-Serwe 5'5"

You have to remember that most caste-menials would be under 5'6" due to their diets.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:33 pm
Quote from: Curethan
Yalgrota was far-king HUGE!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:37 pm
Quote from: Duskweaver
Looks like we were all overestimating the height of the Nonmen by quite a margin. I didn't personally subscribe to the idea of them being 7-8' tall, but it feels a bit wierd that they should be, on average, shorter than I am.

Heh. I always imagined Esmenet as being taller than Serwe, too. I realise that, logically, a Norsirai concubine is likely to be taller than a Ketyai caste-menial, but Serwe's (for want of a better term) girlishness and Esmenet's (likewise) world-weariness always made Esme 'feel' taller to me.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:41 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
That would make the nonman, on average, much shorter than Bakker, dont know why I find this amusing
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:46 pm
Quote from: Auriga
Dunno if this has been posted before, but someone drew this and I found it at the PON wiki (which I discovered today):

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111115094846/princeofnothing/images/3/39/AKKA.jpg)
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:06:53 pm
Quote from: lockesnow
So what was the Dunyain diet like, if Kellhus is that tall?  Acorns and a caste menial starch-centric diet ain't going to cut it.

or did the dunyain feast upon themselves?  Remember Kellhus, on his way to starvation, encountered numerous game and never really considered hunting it.  Nor did he consider fishing, seemingly.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:00 pm
Quote from: Madness
Defectives? I'll leave that open for speculative ambiguity.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:05 pm
Quote from: Curethan
I remember...
Scott saying something about gardens within Ishual... ?
A sustainable food supply seems like something Celmomas would have considered anyway.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:09 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
soy beans and other vegetables. Though not sure how well you can farm at that altitude?
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:14 pm
Quote from: Auriga
We get a few descriptions of Ishuäl at the end of TDTCB, when Kellhus is having flashbacks to the "quandary of man" convo. He remember gardens with poplar trees, and drifting bees in the air. So we can infer that the Dûnyain had beehives and honey, at least.

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Defectives? I'll leave that open for speculative ambiguity.

IIRC, the defectives are used as human experiments for the young Dûnyain, not as food.

Quote from: Wilshire
Though not sure how well you can farm at that altitude?

If it's warm enough for poplars and beehives, it's probably also warm enough to farm some crops, at least. I can't really see the Dûnyain as half-starved scavengers who live on worms, like the Sranc do. When he built the hideout, Celmomas must have planned for a renewing food supply of sorts.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:20 pm
Quote from: Madness
Lol, while that was my second thought, Auriga, my first was that they also put defectives to work doing the menial tasks. Like yardwork ;)?

+1 for Cannibal Dunyain :evil: ? Oh wait, Kelmomas...
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:25 pm
Quote from: jmcdonagh
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7029/d4fc6234efd48406362f846.th.jpg) (http://img844.imageshack.us/i/d4fc6234efd48406362f846.jpg/)


Here's another piece
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:30 pm
Quote from: Madness
Nonman? Sketched?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:35 pm
Quote from: jmcdonagh
Its is a Nonman. this piece is an etching.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:40 pm
Quote from: Madness
Quality stuff!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:45 pm
Quote from: Madness
Found this over at the reddit.com/r/bakker:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_B7-8w7S5ibA/RZ3VqIdYENI/AAAAAAAAACk/ERuspEl9XLM/s1600/Drusas+and+Cnaiur.jpg

Real cool.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:51 pm
Quote from: Meyna
Neat! I like the "perfect geometries" around Akka's hands.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:07:56 pm
Quote from: Wilshire
Quote from: Madness
Found this over at the reddit.com/r/bakker:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_B7-8w7S5ibA/RZ3VqIdYENI/AAAAAAAAACk/ERuspEl9XLM/s1600/Drusas+and+Cnaiur.jpg

Real cool.

thats awesome.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:08:00 pm
Quote from: Madness
+1 Perfect Geometries. Not how I picture Swazond but still impressive.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:08:04 pm
Quote from: Conditioned
Anybody around here think they could do a decent job at the circumfix with the tusks in the shape of an x? I have been messing with it a little here and there over the last year, unfortunately I lack the talent to make it look 'right' lol. I'm almost to the point where I'm gonna hire an artist somewhere (maybe I'll try the major anime/comic book convention Megacon in Orlando in March) to give us some nice TSA art. Not saying that what we have seen isn't nice but there is so little of it compared to other series...
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:08:10 pm
Quote from: Madness
I'm trying, Conditioned. I also have some nameless skin-spy in warrior-gear going but honestly, I'm not very much of an artist - my Dad's whole immediate family are... unreal artists.

I have a friend who would be right in creating us some art. I'll pitch him some ideas.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:08:15 pm
Quote from: Camlost
Good god, Yalgrotta is a fucking beast!
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Found this over at the reddit.com/r/bakker:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_B7-8w7S5ibA/R ... Cnaiur.jpg

Real cool. - See more at: http://secondapocalypse.forumer.com/tsa-related-art-and-stuff-t1194278-80.html#sthash.gA5P5xhd.dpuf
Nice stuff.

How'd you guys picture swazonds? I imagined them as particular in their execution but haphazard in their placements. I imagined perfect scars wildly ribboned over the forearms and up along the shoulders.

I'm a wretched artist, but I can vividly picture two scenes I would love to put down if I had the talent. One being Akka, eyes glowing, wards shimmering, stepping up into the air from the smouldering ruins of "wherever it was the Spires had him imprisoned". The other being the confrontation between Seswatha and Skafra over the faceless multitudes of Sranc and the Ordeal.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:08:21 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Aren't there description in Judging eye of bashrag hammering knights flat? I'm imagining them about 14 foot tall. Multiple skeletons can essentially be on each others shoulders.
Quote from: Auriga
(I left out the dragons from the list, for obvious reasons.)
That's racist! ;)
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:08:26 pm
Quote from: Ajokli
Quote from: Callan S.
Aren't there description in Judging eye of bashrag hammering knights flat? I'm imagining them about 14 foot tall. Multiple skeletons can essentially be on each others shoulders.
Quote from: Auriga
(I left out the dragons from the list, for obvious reasons.)
That's racist! ;)

I've always suspected Auriga of harboring anti-dracon sentiments.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:08:33 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Making Wutteät ride at the back of the bus...

Wutteät says his feet hurt! Wutteät says no!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:08:40 pm
Quote from: Madness
Quote from: Camlost
How'd you guys picture swazonds? I imagined them as particular in their execution but haphazard in their placements. I imagined perfect scars wildly ribboned over the forearms and up along the shoulders.

My bold: +1.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:09:33 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
I'd imagined them that way.

So, is some deep significance going to come out in the books as to the relevance of where the scars cross each other? Particularly given the process is done wildly?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:09:38 pm
Quote from: Madness
Who knows - I think we're just trading perspectives :).
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:09:42 pm
Quote from: Auriga
Someone on zombie Three Seas posted this smoke-art, I might as well re-post it:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumendipity/490791908/in/set-72157600005114373/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumendipity/490791908/in/set-72157600005114373/)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:09:47 pm
Quote from: bbaztek
proof there is no God: there being crudely drawn porn of every ASOIAF character somewhere out there on the internet while we have to subsist on smoke art and napkin sketches*

*(not knocking the art)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:09:52 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
So like when you're ridiculed in newspapers, it means you've made it, if you're characters have any amount of hand drawn porn versions, you've made it?

The inchies would be proud!
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:09:57 pm
Quote from: bbaztek
the truest litmus test for any author these days is if the first page of search results on deviantart are unviewable because of the content filter, then you've hit the fucking big time
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:02 pm
Quote from: Madness
Is that assuming Deviant Art correlates to a Fantasy reading demographic - I guess it must, I've gotten enough "Epic" pictures from DA.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:07 pm
Quote from: bbaztek
corollary: if your characters are instead depicted as furry bipedal mammals, you're good too
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:11 pm
Quote from: Madness
Lol. Should probably get those charts depicting Standards of Notoriety redone ;).
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:19 pm
Quote from: Callan S.
Couldn't find anything on deviant art. Sad! :(
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:23 pm
Quote from: Madness
Quote from: Conditioned
Anybody around here think they could do a decent job at the circumfix with the tusks in the shape of an x?

My half is done, Conditioned. I approached my buddy about doing some other projects with me, so this is our first attempt; I did the sketch, paper and pencil, and he's - a creative genius - specifically going to digitize it and match the palatte's to the original covers and such.

Let it be known now, and I'll repeat when I post, such an artifact (two tusks on the circumfix) could never exist in Earwa because the cover shown is two sides of the single tusk.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:28 pm
Quote from: SATXZ
I can find no artwork.  That's pretty pathetic.  Even deviantart had nothing.

Somebody needs to hire some artists.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:33 pm
Quote from: Meyna
For a different type of "art," I found this forum thread. It seems to be inspired by a similar Lord of the Rings thread on the same forum, where users submit crude photoshop mash-ups of scenes or concepts from the book with a car theme to it: http://forum.frontrowcrew.com/index.php?p=/discussion/5893/prince-of-nothing-on-the-go/p1
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:39 pm
Quote from: Conditioned
Sweet Madness!  Can't wait to see it. I've got about 10 or so different style sketches of it but only one that is half decent and I need someone else :cough:wife:cough: to shade it for me... I've never had any real training in drawing and shading cylinders proved beyond my current ability lol. Anyway am I understanding what you're saying about the tusk in that there is only one  holy tusk and therefore displaying two in a cross is not true to the novels? Or that the actual circumfix is supposed to be one tusk vertically halved so both sides can be seen? Sorry I'm half asleep and completely stoned lol.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:45 pm
Quote from: Madness
Quote from: Conditioned
Anyway am I understanding what you're saying about the tusk in that there is only one holy tusk and therefore displaying two in a cross is not true to the novels?

+1 - There is only one Tusk, as far as my understanding of the novels goes. It hangs whole, suspended in Sumna. Therefore, the artist rendition on TJE simply shows the two sides of the single Tusk.

But it still looks neat to see the covers mashed - though I lacked some time and effort with the inscriptions, which, unfortunately for me, are the most prominent motif of the images.
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:10:51 pm
Quote from: bbaztek
Quote from: Meyna
For a different type of "art," I found this forum thread. It seems to be inspired by a similar Lord of the Rings thread on the same forum, where users submit crude photoshop mash-ups of scenes or concepts from the book with a car theme to it: http://forum.frontrowcrew.com/index.php?p=/discussion/5893/prince-of-nothing-on-the-go/p1

why do bronies have to be a fan of these books too goddamnit. i cant even begin to comprehend the mental disconnect it takes to unironically love a magic pony show made for little girls while also partaking in morally ambiguous fantasy. did they just hear about the rape aliens and were like "YES finally a book with no pictures that speaks to me"
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Post by: What Came Before on May 14, 2013, 09:12:14 pm
BarbarianKing posted some sweet renditions at the Bakker Subreddit:

Synthese (http://imgur.com/a/8ZAKr)
Skin-Spy (http://imgur.com/a/WozzI)
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Post by: Wilshire on September 11, 2013, 05:32:45 pm
From another thread, this is the best rendition of a chorae I've seen.

By: Somnambulist
 Chorae (http://second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1006.msg8928#msg8928):
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Spoiler tag for space consideration.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Baztek on September 11, 2013, 06:39:38 pm
BarbarianKing posted some sweet renditions at the Bakker Subreddit:

Synthese (http://imgur.com/a/8ZAKr)
Skin-Spy (http://imgur.com/a/WozzI)

These are fucking rad.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Wilshire on September 11, 2013, 07:44:53 pm
More from users around here

By: Pilgrimfoto
 Inverse Fire (http://second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=458.msg8206#msg8206):
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Spoiler tag for space consideration.


Silly google map of Earwa. Working on getting distances still.
By: Wilshire
 Road to Shimeh (http://second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1010.msg8810#msg8810):
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Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: tekne on September 20, 2013, 10:49:26 pm
something that may go with Unholy Consult (yet to be published) in feeling
time will show if I was right
http://www.pinterest.com/igortr/pins/
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on September 30, 2013, 04:38:04 am
So, I've attempted a sketch of an Inchoroi (the head, at least).  I already see things I will change on the next iteration, but thought I'd share this anyway.  This is based on my understanding of the descriptions of the Inchies from both the end of TWP and The False Sun (artistic license included).  Anyway, hope you like.  Comments and constructive criticism always appreciated.
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Post by: Quinthane on September 30, 2013, 05:42:23 am
very cool.

these are a couple of mine i put up on our wiki page
http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_235.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_235.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Baztek on September 30, 2013, 07:20:16 am
those are really cool, great job guys.
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Post by: Conditioned on September 30, 2013, 08:47:46 am
Wow very nice Quint and Somna!! I've been waiting to see more people with actual artistic ability to take interest in this series since TDTCB was released lol... So who wants to be my hero and draw a decent version of the rendition of the tusks bound to the circumfix in the shape on an X (think it was used on Kell's flag)? I always thought that it would make a pretty bad ass tattoo if somebody with more ability than me could sketch it out...
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Wilshire on September 30, 2013, 01:42:00 pm
Wow those are some amazing drawings, thanks guys.

Quinthane: I particularly like the one of the Wizard (it is Achamian right? Or just some other crazy schoolman)

Somnambulist: Thats got the right melancholy feel to it. btw I thought that the face/head was inside of the clam shaped skull? Though that would make for a really lame side view. Looks good regardless.
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Post by: Somnambulist on September 30, 2013, 02:25:01 pm
Thanks for the comments, guys.  Like your stuff, Quinthane.

Wilshire:  I have a couple of sketches to that effect.  I think I got a little invested in the parallels between the Inchies and Sobek, so made this particular one along those lines.  Still dusting off the old art skills, but I'll probably try a version more like the one you're suggesting as time allows.

Cheers.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Wilshire on September 30, 2013, 04:25:32 pm
I'm make the screensaver of my work computer flip through the images that people have posted here. My hope being that one day someone will say "hey thats a cool picture, what is it?" and I will then make a valent attempt at convincing them to read TDTCB.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Madness on September 30, 2013, 09:06:49 pm
Those artistic works are awesome, Somnambulist and Quinthane. Real cool.

Conditioned, here's the rendition I promised you from about a year ago. I'm not much of a sketcher (though proud to say none of it is traced) and I have a much more artistically inclined friend working on digitizing it for us with proper colour palates from the TJE and WLW covers and adding script-work, etc.

Also, Somnambulist, I second wanting a frontal shot of the Inchoroi.

http://postimg.org/image/mddwkw7fr/
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Post by: Conditioned on October 01, 2013, 08:37:02 am
LoL, that is similar enough to one of my sketches that it is scary Madness. If I can ever find the time I'll try to polish up a couple of my decent attempts and post em... Anyway, would be freaking awesome if you're friend comes through with that, I don't know why the image hasn't already been used in the cover art for any of the books, would've been so much better than the silly rendition of the man on the circumfix on WLW (is it from the paperback or a different countries?).
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Post by: Royce on October 01, 2013, 08:48:59 am
Great drawings guys,made my day ;)
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Post by: Quinthane on October 01, 2013, 09:18:25 am


Quinthane: I particularly like the one of the Wizard (it is Achamian right? Or just some other crazy schoolman)


that's not Akka, Wilshire, but was certainly inspired by him. i have drawn Akka a number of times but have found that the "light spitting" aspect of sorcerers (which i think is genius) makes for tricky portraiture when working in pen and ink. so i still haven't captured Akka (as i see him) with his very distinct facial features while giving the Gnostic light show facial.

working on it though.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 01, 2013, 09:29:26 am
Cleric

[url][/<a href="http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline?file=Cleric5.jpg"><img width="300" height="225" src="http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131001085905/princeofnothing/images/thumb/3/32/Cleric5.jpg/300px-Cleric5.jpg"/></a>url]
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Baztek on October 01, 2013, 06:41:44 pm
Awesome style man. I'd love to see your rendition of the Consult.
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Post by: Madness on October 01, 2013, 07:10:45 pm
How long have you been drawing, Quinthane?
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Post by: Garet Jax on October 01, 2013, 07:11:10 pm
I am trying to get a friend/co-worker of mine that does a lot of comic book work to delve into this world. 

The only two issues are; he never has and never will read the books, and doesn't like to be told what to draw... minor issues.

If someone would point me to a couple decent descriptions of characters they would like to see, I maybe could convince him.  He is pretty good, some of the shit he doodles while we are in meetings is pretty stellar.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 01, 2013, 07:33:41 pm
Somnambulist inspired me to ink evil things. so here's Aurang. (so far)

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_286.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_286.jpg)

as well as some other PoN doodlings. thanks for tolerating all this show-n-tell. it's really nice for once to have people see them who actually know who/what they're looking at.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Wilshire on October 01, 2013, 08:17:21 pm
Quinthane I might have to make one of those drawing my avatar. Hope you don't mind.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 01, 2013, 08:24:49 pm
Quinthane I might have to make one of those drawing my avatar. Hope you don't mind.


yeah.cool. sure.  :-[

(i'm stunned at how close i came to saying 'ah shucks'. seriously.)
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Post by: Wilshire on October 01, 2013, 08:33:04 pm
If you really dont want me to do it then I guess i dont have too
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Post by: Quinthane on October 01, 2013, 09:26:22 pm
i do all these on an Etch-a-Sketch so just be careful after you download it not you shake your computer screen.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Baztek on October 01, 2013, 09:36:42 pm
yeah, that's a rape alien all right. you got a knack for this man.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 01, 2013, 10:20:18 pm
thanks, Baz.

the worst part about drawing Aurang...having to, at some point along the way, stop and ask yourself, "hmmm....did i make that phallus pendulous enough?"

-q
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Post by: Quinthane on October 01, 2013, 10:51:42 pm
"Vengeance roamed roamed the halls of the compound--like a God."

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Achamian.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Achamian.png)
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Post by: Baztek on October 01, 2013, 11:24:36 pm
I like how the Gnosis looks like particle collision diagrams. Good stuff.
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Post by: Somnambulist on October 02, 2013, 05:40:29 am
Another version of an Inchoroi.  Hope you enjoy.

Cheers.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 02, 2013, 05:42:22 am
"Vengeance roamed roamed the halls of the compound--like a God."

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Achamian.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Achamian.png)

Love this.  Great work.
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Post by: Quinthane on October 02, 2013, 07:39:52 am
that rocks, Som! love that you made elegance a base part of it's overall and even more horrible because of it.
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Post by: Conditioned on October 02, 2013, 08:25:06 am
Jesus motherfucking Christ! Where have you two been hiding?? Q, that Akka is absolutely fucking stunning and Som, that is a perfect imagining of the Inchoroi!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Madness on October 02, 2013, 01:08:51 pm
Somnambulist, you are inspiring me to try my hands at something because my imagination differs ;). But first a midterm.

Also, Quinthane, great Achamian.

EDIT: Tips on reducing my overall upload size?
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Post by: Somnambulist on October 02, 2013, 03:24:28 pm
Cheers, guys, seriously appreciate the kind words.  Madness, I look forward to seeing your interpretation when you have the chance.  The Inchies are definitely the creatures I've had the most trouble imagining, so would love to see your take on them.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 02, 2013, 04:01:08 pm
so far the most challenging has been capturing a bashrag's body.

i'm thinking i might take a picture of mike myers's Fat Bastard, overlay it with a pic of Rosanne Barr and then overlay those with a pic of Nick Nolte. then sneeze on it.

that should be pretty close.

-q
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 02, 2013, 04:29:49 pm
so far the most challenging has been capturing a bashrag's body.

i'm thinking i might take a picture of mike myers's Fat Bastard, overlay it with a pic of Rosanne Barr and then overlay those with a pic of Nick Nolte. then sneeze on it.

that should be pretty close.

-q

Funny!  And, disturbingly, probably very accurate.  There goes breakfast.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: tekne on October 02, 2013, 10:43:56 pm
to:Quint,   
this is an EPIC depiction of bashrag  http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Achamian.png?file=Bashrag.jpg     -such depth! given (to one of the plainest! characters)
extremely Expressive!   http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Achamian.png?file=Picture_293.jpg
Atmoshere depicted..  http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Achamian.png?file=Picture_294.jpg
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Post by: locke on October 02, 2013, 11:44:29 pm
Another version of an Inchoroi.  Hope you enjoy.

Cheers.
Nice.  I pictured the head to Inchoroi being a little more vaginal, as in, the head emerging from layers of labia within the oyster shell.  Also, is the human-ish (or should it be cunoroi-ish) head that was grafted/birthed set in the jaws of another head-type-organ?
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Post by: Somnambulist on October 03, 2013, 01:01:26 am
The most complete description of an Inchoroi I could find/remember was from The False Sun, below:

The creature stood naked, as was his want, his wings folded into wicked hooks about either side of his great skull, which would have been cumbersome, had it not curved into a crest, narrow and deep, like an oyster set on end. A proportionate face hung from the fore, loutish with the absence of expression, nostrils drawn into shining gashes, sockets plugged with lobes of bare white meat. A second face filled the mouth, sheathing a second skull fused within the crocodilian jaws of the greater. Second eyes regarded the Hero-Mage with leering expectation. Second lips grinned about teeth like nails..

I feel like there are more descriptions of them somewhere (other than the back of TWP, which doesn't really add much to the above).  Anyway, that's what's so great, and frustrating, about the Inchies.  Very specific, sometimes contradictory, descriptions and they remain an enigma to the imagination (at least to mine).
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Post by: Francis Buck on October 03, 2013, 01:45:22 am
Another version of an Inchoroi.  Hope you enjoy.

Cheers.

That's fucking awesome. Might be my favorite depiction of something from TSA so far (given, there ain't much of it, and a lot is just people/scenery), and I've been wanting to see some creatures done for a long time.
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Post by: Baztek on October 03, 2013, 01:50:56 am
yeah that clamshell inchoroi is fucking freaky from the side.
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Post by: Meyna on October 03, 2013, 01:58:06 am
Somn's Inchoroi reminds me of something, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Awesome, nonetheless!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 03, 2013, 02:59:54 pm
EDIT: Tips on reducing my overall upload size?

Keeping the resolution at 72 dpi, jpg is a good algorithm to use since you can balance quality vs. file size, then keeping overall dimensions to reasonable proportions all should help in keeping the kb count down.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 03, 2013, 03:15:40 pm
Somn's Inchoroi reminds me of something, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Awesome, nonetheless!

I only realized it after I was done, but it also reminded me of something.  I kinda looks like a Spartan crested helmet from the side (completely unintentional).

Cheers again for the great comments.
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Post by: Madness on October 04, 2013, 02:27:36 am
Thanks, Somnambulist.
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Post by: Quinthane on October 04, 2013, 03:07:57 pm
Amazing stuff, Som.

i added a couple of things if anyone wants to check them out:

]http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_307.jpg] (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_307.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Garet Jax on October 04, 2013, 03:41:34 pm
Unbelievable.  I wasn't aware we had such incredibly talented artists lurking around TSA.  Q & S, keep 'em coming!
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Post by: Wilshire on October 04, 2013, 03:41:46 pm
Amazing stuff, Som.

i added a couple of things if anyone wants to check them out:

]http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_307.jpg] (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_307.jpg)

Your drawing make me happy. Keep 'em coming!

edit
damn it, Jax stole my thunder lol
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Post by: Somnambulist on October 04, 2013, 04:05:01 pm
Amazing stuff, Som.

i added a couple of things if anyone wants to check them out:

]http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_307.jpg] (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_307.jpg)

Awesome stuff, Quin.  You've been busy!  I'm feeling the pressure to get something else out...
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Post by: Quinthane on October 04, 2013, 04:29:35 pm
good. i know i speak for everyone here when i say that'll suit all of us just fine.
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Post by: Madness on October 04, 2013, 05:48:41 pm
Amazing. Nice Inchoroi, Quinthane.
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Post by: Quinthane on October 04, 2013, 06:10:28 pm
Cnaiur

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cnaiur_urs_Skiotha.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cnaiur_urs_Skiotha.png)

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skiotha.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skiotha.png)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 05, 2013, 10:03:36 pm
my strongest piece so far i believe.

The NoGod

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_NoGod_Mog_Pharau.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_NoGod_Mog_Pharau.png)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Baztek on October 05, 2013, 11:08:14 pm
should have sent a poet
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 06, 2013, 05:53:34 am
Cnaiur

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cnaiur_urs_Skiotha.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Cnaiur_urs_Skiotha.png)

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skiotha.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skiotha.png)

Are they both Cnaiur, or is the second one Skiotha himself? They're both fantastic, but the second illustration is like a perfect rendering of my own mental image of Cnaiur (both in literal physicality and atmospheric tone). Great execution.

I really love this thread, guys. I'd kill to see some interpretations of a complete Inchoroi and some Sranc/Bashrag as well (I'm a total creature freak, especially when they're as interesting as those in TSA). I do have one drawing I did a while ago, being essentially what my idea of what a god might "look like" in this universe (be sure to zoom-in for detail if possible...this was kinda my idea for how the God of Gods might appear once "awoken", if such a thing can even be visualized): http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/050/6/6/monad_rising_by_francisbuck-d39y8yn.jpg (http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/050/6/6/monad_rising_by_francisbuck-d39y8yn.jpg)

I imagined him being realized out of geometric/mathematical "energy" in the Outside, thus the star-like imagery around the form, and also the condensation (cephalization?) around the head, being the focus of complexity.

And here's another -- much simpler -- image of what I imagined a god might look like: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/050/b/8/the_demiurge_by_francisbuck-d39y984.jpg (http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/050/b/8/the_demiurge_by_francisbuck-d39y984.jpg)

I'm partial to the idea of them only barely seeming humanoid. I actually have some Sranc drawings, but I've yet to upload them. May do so in the future.


Seriously though, I hope folks keep posting here. This stuff is great. A potential illustrated encyclopaedia of Earwa is like a dream of mine.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: locke on October 06, 2013, 07:09:25 am
the second image of Cnaiur is amazing. It makes me think that Cnaiur is the darkness that comes before Kellhus. :-p
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 06, 2013, 07:28:30 am
Agreed, it's really phenomenal. Bakker should start including artwork in his novels. It's so rarely done, but I think it could honestly add so much.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 06, 2013, 08:39:31 am
the angry Inch...

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Angry_inch.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Angry_inch.png)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Madness on October 06, 2013, 05:08:34 pm
The No-God wins the thread. Amazing.

Quinthane, I like your tag.

Also, FB, way to crash the thread :). Nice art. I'd definitely volunteer time to make a encyclopaedic companion to TSA.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 06, 2013, 08:41:14 pm
Also, FB, way to crash the thread :)

Que?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 06, 2013, 08:53:17 pm
Yes. the harrowing image of dread Mog-Pharau came forth with such intensity, such finality that, verily i feared for the souls of of our online community, that we'd be lost in his whirlwind, that we'd start using words like 'verily', and that none of you guys would be able to get pregnant.

so i took a break, uploaded it and looked at porn for the rest of the night.

everyone's good, right? souls and whatnot?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 06, 2013, 09:08:29 pm
wonder if Bakker'd initially named the weapon that would kill the dread Whirlwind the 'Road-Runner Spear'....then changed it to the Heron Spear.


"WHAT DO YOU SE--" *Meep! Meep!*
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 07, 2013, 12:01:10 am
trying out a new drawing/painting program.


first try:http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nonman_cleric.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nonman_cleric.jpg)


opinions welcomed.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 07, 2013, 02:24:30 am
Nice, bro!  I love this one.  The musculature is great.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Wilshire on October 07, 2013, 03:09:40 am
trying out a new drawing/painting program.


first try:http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nonman_cleric.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nonman_cleric.jpg)


opinions welcomed.
I feel like there are a few different styles that clash in that drawing. Still love it though.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 07, 2013, 04:03:12 am
Skinny.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 07, 2013, 04:20:14 am
I really love this thread, guys. I'd kill to see some interpretations of a complete Inchoroi and some Sranc/Bashrag as well (I'm a total creature freak, especially when they're as interesting as those in TSA). I do have one drawing I did a while ago, being essentially what my idea of what a god might "look like" in this universe (be sure to zoom-in for detail if possible...this was kinda my idea for how the God of Gods might appear once "awoken", if such a thing can even be visualized): http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/050/6/6/monad_rising_by_francisbuck-d39y8yn.jpg (http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/050/6/6/monad_rising_by_francisbuck-d39y8yn.jpg)

This is awesome.  I love the abstract coupled with anthropomorphism.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 07, 2013, 04:23:07 am
Skinny.

that little bastards going off somewhere to have sex with that head, isn't he?
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Madness on October 07, 2013, 01:59:29 pm
Also, FB, way to crash the thread :)

Que?

Lol, I just found it funny that you've been here for relatively longer than some of the other members and only now dropping your artistic prowess on us.

Wicked, Somnambulist. Hmm... this is all testing my lack of artistic talent or skill but I wonder how one could draw that distorted grimace of the Sranc.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 07, 2013, 04:11:48 pm
Blood.  I forgot the blood.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 07, 2013, 04:15:31 pm
http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sranc.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sranc.jpg)

sranc
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Baztek on October 07, 2013, 04:39:29 pm
Wow guys great job on everything. Finally we're getting some pretty cool, tasteful fanart regularly instead of like one scribble a year.

I particularly like Buck's style, there's a certain surrealist geometric quality that really clicks with how I imagine Bakker conceives Earwa's divinities.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 07, 2013, 05:04:19 pm
damn.

knew i should've copied off of Buck's paper.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 07, 2013, 05:15:13 pm
Also, FB, way to crash the thread :)

Que?

Lol, I just found it funny that you've been here for relatively longer than some of the other members and only now dropping your artistic prowess on us.

Wicked, Somnambulist. Hmm... this is all testing my lack of artistic talent or skill but I wonder how one could draw that distorted grimace of the Sranc.

Hah, I get ya. Seriously though my stuff sucks balls compared to the amazing shit these other guys are posting.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Baztek on October 07, 2013, 05:59:27 pm
Quinth and Somn for the mundane characters, Buck for the Outside. Works for me.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 07, 2013, 08:28:12 pm
....charge.

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zzz.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zzz.png)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Wilshire on October 07, 2013, 09:09:21 pm
I love the stark contrast between the two sranc. As described in the books the creatures are beautiful, or too beautiful, when at rest, but horrifying lunatics when fighting.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 07, 2013, 10:23:34 pm
Alright, this thread inspired me to do another one. Didn't exactly turn out how I wanted, but, here it is.

Yatwer:

(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/280/e/3/yatwer_by_francisbuck-d6pmezb.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 07, 2013, 10:35:08 pm
that chick's nekkid.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 07, 2013, 11:56:21 pm


skin-spy

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skin-spy.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skin-spy.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Callan S. on October 08, 2013, 01:37:06 am
Inspirational material: http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2013/10/meet-the-fantastically-bejeweled-skeletons-of-catholicisms-forgotten-martyrs/ (http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2013/10/meet-the-fantastically-bejeweled-skeletons-of-catholicisms-forgotten-martyrs/)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 08, 2013, 02:24:00 am
....charge.

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zzz.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zzz.png)

Missed this earlier, but I really like it. Instantly made me think of Saubon about to decapitate Conphas, which retroactively became one of my favorite moments in the series. The first time around it didn't really "hit me", just because I was still absorbing the enormity of the universe and all the names and such (and thus I'd completely forgotten about it), but then when it happened in my second read-through it was really one of my "fuck yeah!" moments.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Madness on October 08, 2013, 05:18:47 pm
I would have thought Yatwer would be pregnant.

As always though, beauty art everyone. You are inspiring me to finish a second fan-fic story (also attempting to sketch again everyday, broke out the pencils and sketchbook, we'll see where the journey takes me).
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 08, 2013, 05:39:22 pm


skin-spy

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skin-spy.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skin-spy.jpg)

That's crazy looking, almost reminds of something you'd see for Dia de Muertos. What did you use to make it out of curiosity?

I would have thought Yatwer would be pregnant.

As always though, beauty art everyone. You are inspiring me to finish a second fan-fic story (also attempting to sketch again everyday, broke out the pencils and sketchbook, we'll see where the journey takes me).

Hah, that's a good point actually, I wish I had thought of it. My idea behind it was that Yatwer would take on a perfect female form while also having a completely impersonable "face" (if it can even be called that), and then of course there's the obvious symbolism of sperm and scythe. I think I'm actually misremembering her description from TJE when she speaks to Psatma, though. In my head I remembered her being described as having a shadowy halo behind a bright sun or something along those lines, but I couldn't check up on it since a friend is borrowing the series, so I just went with my gut.

Anyways, I tried finding my old Sranc drawing, but to no avail. I did, however, discover one I did of the Wight-in-the-Mountain that I'd completely forgotten about.

(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/281/e/0/wight_in_the_mountain_by_francisbuck-d6ppk4s.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 08, 2013, 08:43:58 pm
Francis:  great Wight-in-the-Mountain.  I hope you find more and post them.  I'm digging your style with these.

Here's another sranc, this time not so happy.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 08, 2013, 08:50:41 pm
very nice, som.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: tekne on October 08, 2013, 10:28:22 pm
http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zzz.png
http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Skiotha.png

...tasteful!

thats how Synthese might look if he had more bird-like)) head
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/427630927088858972/
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Callan S. on October 08, 2013, 11:07:30 pm
....charge.

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zzz.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Zzz.png)

Missed this earlier, but I really like it. Instantly made me think of Saubon about to decapitate Conphas, which retroactively became one of my favorite moments in the series. The first time around it didn't really "hit me", just because I was still absorbing the enormity of the universe and all the names and such (and thus I'd completely forgotten about it), but then when it happened in my second read-through it was really one of my "fuck yeah!" moments.
He saw the blade that took his head.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 08, 2013, 11:29:07 pm
Francis:  great Wight-in-the-Mountain.  I hope you find more and post them.  I'm digging your style with these.

Gracias. Unfortunately, aside from MIA sranc, the wight is I believe the last from "backlog", so anything else will be new.

This thread makes me wish I had better...I don't know, "range" I guess is the word? Like there's stuff in my head that I wish I could do, but I'm really limited when it comes to actually making it happen, especially when it comes to human faces and bodies (thus my reliance on abstract shit and creatures). Like, I can draw a female body in that particular pose I have of Yatwer, but not a female turned slightly to the right, or with say a hand extended to the towards the viewpoint, or whatever. I'm also terrible at female faces (and so it was conveniently obscured in the Yatwer pic, lol). At least, I'm terrible at female faces that don't look hilariously mannish and/or like the victim of a botched plastic surgery. Body-wise, pretty much anything that isn't a profile view, or head-on (even harder for me), is beyond my ability. I've thought of taking some classes at various times, but never have. Maybe some day.

Anyways, here's a fast and dirty Ankaryotis, based on the description from the wiki (elephantine head, maw surrounded by eyes, knife-like scales). Later I'm going to do a Zioz and spend some time on it. I've been wanting to draw up some Ciphrang for a while now.

(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/281/9/b/ankaryotis_by_francisbuck-d6pqwog.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Baztek on October 08, 2013, 11:51:03 pm
I like your style Buck because while the technical skill might not be where you want it, the basic image is interesting and strange enough that it does the weirder shit justice. They sorta remind me of the Angels from Evangelion.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 09, 2013, 12:21:38 am
Hah, thank you. And yeah, I definitely somehow took a weird inspiration from that one main mecha/creature thing from Evangelion (and this is going years back, like early teens), which is strange since I've never actually seen the show, but I do like the art (it's probably especially noticeable in that blue-colored random god picture I first posted). I do think that the vaguely mechanical yet also biological mixture just kinda works for creatures from the Outside, especially the gods.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 09, 2013, 01:57:17 am
White Luck Warrior

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Whiteluck.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Whiteluck.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 09, 2013, 06:34:45 pm
couple looks at a couple of versions of a scene with Kel and Cnaiur from TDTCB:

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_328.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Picture_328.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 10, 2013, 07:46:15 am

Malahet

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Malahet1.JPG (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Malahet1.JPG)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 10, 2013, 02:26:07 pm
Nice, Quin.  Love the Mallahet portrait.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Madness on October 10, 2013, 03:18:42 pm
They're all fantastic. You guys are talented or work hard. Probably both. Mallahet is particularly nice (Psukhe erupts from a point in the middle of their brow, if you're interested in other rendition suggestions, Quinthane ;)).
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 10, 2013, 05:30:38 pm
Moenghus

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Moenghus.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Moenghus.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 10, 2013, 06:32:27 pm
The Mallahet one is badass.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 10, 2013, 07:33:20 pm
Gnosis

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gnosis.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gnosis.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 10, 2013, 08:04:52 pm
Apparently I got Zioz and Sohorat mixed up (the latter's the one I actually wanted to do, much more interesting imagery with the giant maw spilling flies, wolves erupting from hands, cluster of furnace-like eyes, etc.).

Kinda meh on how it came out though, I fucked it up a bit when adding in the wolves and trying to fix some stuff digitally. Probably going to do another run through at some point.

(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/283/f/2/sohorat_by_francisbuck-d6pyb99.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Wilshire on October 10, 2013, 09:32:41 pm
Gnosis

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gnosis.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gnosis.jpg)
love this one.
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Post by: tekne on October 10, 2013, 11:27:16 pm
truly superb lines
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Francis Buck on October 10, 2013, 11:53:24 pm
Slightly altered Sohorat, still not what I'm really shooting for but it's better than the last one I think:

(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/283/f/b/sohorat_by_francisbuck-d6pz8uz.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 10, 2013, 11:53:57 pm
excellent buck
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Post by: Callan S. on October 10, 2013, 11:58:28 pm
Gnosis

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gnosis.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gnosis.jpg)
Whoa!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: tekne on October 11, 2013, 12:17:33 am
outsiders should be "cosmic"  that's right Buck!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 11, 2013, 12:58:45 am
Slightly altered Sohorat, still not what I'm really shooting for but it's better than the last one I think:

Great job.  Love the head/face!  Awesome.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Madness on October 11, 2013, 02:33:00 pm
Very eldritch, FB.

Quinthane, you really hit something with that Bar of Heaven.
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 12, 2013, 04:41:35 am
water-bearer

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Facerr.png (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Facerr.png)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Somnambulist on October 12, 2013, 05:19:50 am
The water-bearer kicks ass, Quinthane.  Nice.
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Post by: Royce on October 12, 2013, 05:46:57 am
You guys are seriously awsome ;) I would spend money on this :)
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Post by: Quinthane on October 12, 2013, 06:16:21 am
Kelhus Walks

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kelhus_walks.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kelhus_walks.jpg)
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: tekne on October 12, 2013, 12:27:44 pm

And water-bearer is definetly a baad-ass!
Title: Re: TSA related art and stuff.
Post by: Quinthane on October 12, 2013, 10:31:42 pm
Cnaiur; "I'm stronger."

http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:I%27m_stronger.jpg (http://princeofnothing.wikia.com/wiki/File:I%27m_stronger.jpg)