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General Earwa / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Nascenti of Zaudunyanicon
« on: August 15, 2017, 08:03:46 pm »
Quote from: Wilshire on August 15, 2017, 07:53:39 pm
Quote from: codebread on August 15, 2017, 07:42:03 pm
Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?

Somewhere near the start of Friday Q/A somone asked a questions about something, Kellhus maybe?, and in the answers he tacked on "and no questions about halos" - that is my vague memory. Good thing I got recordings and we won't have to rely on my shit memory once we type it up.

-And no, I have no intention of posting the recordings. Some moments were not for the rest of you. Come to the next one ;) . Bakker the Younger will be posting plenty of stuff for you all eventually, and we'll be posting pictures. I've got a great one of him signing the Coffers :D .

Petty. Almost nauseatingly similar to jealous small-minded disciples hoarding their master's words for temporal power.  This author, future Zaudunyani cons and this work will not be served by secrecy of any kind.  Martin, Abercrombie and Rothfuss are most well served by fans shouting to the heaven's and across reddit anytime they get a chance to hear thoughts from their favorite scribe.

Get out of the way and spread the word.

Edit(s): Added the damage to future cons and grammar.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: So...where do we go from here...? (Post TUC questions and thoughts)
« on: July 30, 2017, 04:08:33 pm »
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Finished TUC today.

I will try to write down my thoughts later (and after browsing the TUC subforum, i see that i am at least not alone in being...underwhelmed) although i'm still not sure if i want to post it here. Not sure if a Bakker fan forum is the right place  ;)

You are not alone oh brother of the slog. Even here there can be found doubt.

Though Denile is a wide river and you, brave soul, have ventured to its very mouth. 

Welcome.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Ajokli's larger presence
« on: July 30, 2017, 04:04:34 pm »
My reading of Ajolki's master-stroke is the same as yours. Kellhus knew he was making a "deal" and protected from the usual expected betrayals.  The Conditioned Ground of the Golden Room wasn't just made by the Mutilated but by Ajolki. He Four-Horned God is incarnate (in a way) and here.

The Golden Room was Likely one of the few (or perhaps only) places on the planet that one of the hundred soul-thirsting gods of the outside, and they all thirst no matter how benign their portfolio, could cross the dimensional border. Endless torment forced the worlds drawn close and enabled even the most powerful to cross.

An Inverse Avatar, a fulfillment of Prophecy, a Revelations like moment.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoiler] How was Dagliash a give-away for Kellhus?
« on: July 30, 2017, 03:35:20 pm »
If he somehow, because Dunyain Fantasy, Kellhus internalized within the few seconds of exposure to the nuke its entire implications as a weapon (and therefore would extrapolate industrial capacity required, which is so immense that modern nation states find it challenging) then hes probably deep-diving some universal-truth-under-consciousness and therefore would know that he's lost.

If you can pull off nuclear restoration/enrichment then you can much more easily nail concepts like Production Lines and Mass-Manufacturing and apply that to your slave horde.

Nevermind that none of that makes a lick of sense, IF it happened it would probably cause Kellnus to get desperate enough to make a deal with the devil, intentionally, as its probably his only shot at winning.


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The Unholy Consult / [TUC Spoilers] Cuno-Mysunai Slaughter
« on: July 30, 2017, 03:23:40 pm »
What exactly happened here?

I like anytime Bakker actively and intentionally channels Harold Lamb's Of Iron Men and Saints and this was particularly notable with his introduction of the intact Quya. Astute literary observers call it derivative, but I think he just updates upon the original and adds Gene Wolf esque prose.

But while cool, it didn't make much sense. They attacked Mankind.

So these epoch level experienced combatants (far too veteran for it to be dismissed as Fog of War), the now unified Quya of Ishoriol, so passionately dedicated to the opposition of the organization/species which caused the literal extinction of their race and culture that they were willing to kill the precious few other members of their kind in existence in a coup, arrive and attack the forces of Men?

  • Why did the Quya of Ish attack Men?
  • Why did the Red Ghoul attack Men, specifically? His Lamb esque flavor text indicates high affinity
  • Why would Quya (or any Non-man) commit suicide? They know what damnation is, what little we know of their philo-religious background indicates the pursuit of Oblivion. Our tour of Ish showed indisputably that they go to incredible lengths to keep their few members alive, because even this tortured ennui/max hard drive level existence is better than damnation.

[EDIT Madness: Title.]

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers]Deus Ex Machina - Implausibilities - Running out of Steam
« on: July 30, 2017, 02:45:41 pm »
It would have been better than what we got. The Q&A had a whole lot of unrepentant teen espoused by Bakker. "I intended it to be confusing!"/ "My devoted and slavish proof readers weren't confused so clearly passionate reader and first time poster YOU ARE WRONG".

Good lord, at some point you have to age and maturity out of such responses.

The Book is vague and easily/deeply easy to misinterpret at the very best and its highly unlikely you could take a step back and look at the commentary here, at Westeros, Reddit, RPGNET and Goodreads and draw any other evidence based conclusion.

I hope he changes that tone or the Reddit AMA is going to be...interesting.



"I meant the finale and denouement to be confusing/inspire vigorous disagreement/cause spontaneous outrage on all available niche sites" said no honest serious writer or communicator ever.


Oh and we are all just pretending the pandering Cunny loving 100 foot Dragon dialogue wasn't there, right? Because it felt like Scott was talking to his critics from the first firestorm he became embroiled in, with the feminists.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers]What was the point
« on: July 29, 2017, 10:16:27 pm »
Quote from: Madness on July 27, 2017, 02:53:41 pm


Quote from: Rots on July 28, 2017, 03:44:36 am

Also, the editing was bad. Bad enough to take me out of the story. There were a lot of verb tense mistakes, repetitive descriptors in back to back to back sentences, etc.

Welcome back, Rots.

On the former part, as Wilshire mentioned in another thread, half the book is decidedly not about the Ordeal Sranc-ifying. There are two chapters, the second of which was heavily cut on the recommendation of one of Bakker's long-time beta readers. Two of twenty chapters. It's an example of the availability heurisitic at work.

I suspect, given the data, that we could probably map how desensitized readers are or aren't based on how much they fixate on these two chapters as being representative of the whole book.

On the latter, the editing of TGO and TUC by Overlook has been atrocious. I've been comparing the notes I sent to Bakker regarding the draft while I've been reading the canon artifact and, as with TGO, none of the mundane errors I caught then were fixed...

I'm on Chapter Four when I pick it up today again but I suspect all the errors are still there.



I worry too. Observations about the exact amount of chapters spent dedicated to needless, lavishly detailed, debasement is an immaculate token of pedantry.

It was a mistake to include it in any significant length when core components of the story remain illusive and deeply unresolved. There was a period of debate, but now that the article is available on both sides of the pond we can safely move from the debate of whether or not it was a mistake and firmly embrace that it was an error and now opine just how grave of one.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Sorweel
« on: July 12, 2017, 08:09:19 pm »
Quote from: Redeagl on July 12, 2017, 05:11:27 pm
I took it as that Yatwer saved Sorweel from hell. Which makes Sorweel the third non damned character after Mim and Esmi.

Saving from hell to devour him. That's exactly what a mother goddess (who doesn't feed on terror/pain) would desire to induce in you for maximum feasting.  Just as Ajolki feasted on Kellhus from the delicious heights of his fall, so did Yatwer consume her tool,and the power applied to it, by eating the soul.

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