The Second Apocalypse

Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The Unholy Consult => Topic started by: geoffrobro on May 23, 2017, 01:34:30 am

Title: Who will die?
Post by: geoffrobro on May 23, 2017, 01:34:30 am
I thought it would be a little fun game to guess deaths. Who will die in TUC, we know death will come swirling down but to who and what order?


*sorry atm I've only thought of one, I was excited by the idea by now I have to think of the other first and second teir characters.

**and should I post this as spoiler?
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Madness on May 23, 2017, 01:44:41 am
Nah, geoffro, it's fine. People can die at any time ;).

You should have made a poll.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Wilshire on May 23, 2017, 02:38:09 am
Everyone! The nuke at Dagliash was a foreshadow for the supernuke at golgotterath. Everyone within the occulsion will die - which will include every major character we've seen so far.

Except Moenghus Sr, who of course made and set off the bomb whilst safely in Shimeh using hyper-meta-super-psukhe secrets that only he knows of.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: themerchant on May 23, 2017, 10:28:10 am
I think everyone wll die bar Kelhus, esme and Akka.

awkward
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: H on May 23, 2017, 10:38:12 am
I think everyone wll die bar Kelhus, esme and Akka.

awkward

And here I felt like Akka was the most likely to die...apparently I am the only one, haha.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: TaoHorror on May 23, 2017, 12:16:16 pm
ok, I'll bite - I've seen some chatter here and there about Moe still being alive - what is the theory supporting this, didn't Cniur kill him with a chorae? Is the thinking it wasn't really him, but a person within another person sorcery of the Cishaurim?
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: H on May 23, 2017, 12:28:25 pm
ok, I'll bite - I've seen some chatter here and there about Moe still being alive - what is the theory supporting this, didn't Cniur kill him with a chorae? Is the thinking it wasn't really him, but a person within another person sorcery of the Cishaurim?

I can't recall anyone really pitching the idea that Moe is actually alive.  More that it's possible he might still be a factor in the Thousandfold Thought from the Outside.

It's not really all that plausible, but it isn't impossible either.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: BeardFisher-King on May 23, 2017, 12:36:29 pm
Man, does B-effing-K ever dig a dead pool! <shudders with unholy satisfaction>
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: TaoHorror on May 23, 2017, 02:21:33 pm
I only voted for Kellhus, getting a whiff from the Grand Master of the Shaft ( i.e. Bakker ) - see the power I have over you, readers? With the stroke of a pen, I can monumentally screw all of you over! Ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa!

A perhaps more interesting question is, who would piss you off the most if they died?
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: themerchant on May 23, 2017, 02:31:40 pm
I think everyone wll die bar Kelhus, esme and Akka.

awkward

And here I felt like Akka was the most likely to die...apparently I am the only one, haha.

I was joking somewhat. I'm not sure really. I think Akka and Esme may die, Kellhus might "ascend" or sacrifice himself. Maybe Cnaiur has enough and just murders everyone to get some peace. 
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Wilshire on May 23, 2017, 04:53:32 pm
ok, I'll bite - I've seen some chatter here and there about Moe still being alive - what is the theory supporting this, didn't Cniur kill him with a chorae? Is the thinking it wasn't really him, but a person within another person sorcery of the Cishaurim?

There is no theory supporting this. Seriously, he's dead. Others might argue otherwise but most of those justification turn on over examining a few choice words (ie, the specific color noted in text when the chorae rolled over him....really?), or relying on deus-ex-machina type secret magics (thus my hyper-meta-super-psuke jab. I've seen suggestions go so far as to say he captured other souls, used them as armor, and the chorae somehow only killed his captured soul armors. Or that he wasn't ever there, or that it was someone that just looked like Moenghus using some kind of soul transplant or skin-spy style replacement stuff using secret psuke-jutsu. These are nor arguments for me)

Other arguments, as H noted, include him still being involved as a post-living entity, such as him ascending into some kind of uber-godhood, transcending death, space, and time to become the Solitary God... or some other such things. While I find these arguments more compelling than the latter, I find it unlikely.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: H on May 23, 2017, 05:23:34 pm
What if...wait for it...everyone is actually already dead?

But seriously, I think Akka is the most likely person who's story arc comes to an end, followed closely by Esmenet.

Of course, I think Cnaiur really dying this time is a forgone conclusion.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Wilshire on May 23, 2017, 05:29:55 pm
What if...wait for it...everyone is actually already dead?
I assume that makes Mimara the 6th sense kid. So Kellhus is bruce willis? he'd do for a low budget TSA movie ;)
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: H on May 23, 2017, 05:46:20 pm
I assume that makes Mimara the 6th sense kid. So Kellhus is bruce willis? he'd do for a low budget TSA movie ;)

Or it's all reversed, Kellhus is actually in the role of the kid and Mimara just doesn't understand what she is seeing.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Madness on May 23, 2017, 05:47:54 pm
Man. I asked you all to tell me who I missed. I added Cnaiur and another vote, should you choose to use it.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: themerchant on May 23, 2017, 06:06:24 pm
ok, I'll bite - I've seen some chatter here and there about Moe still being alive - what is the theory supporting this, didn't Cniur kill him with a chorae? Is the thinking it wasn't really him, but a person within another person sorcery of the Cishaurim?

There is no theory supporting this. Seriously, he's dead. Others might argue otherwise but most of those justification turn on over examining a few choice words (ie, the specific color noted in text when the chorae rolled over him....really?), or relying on deus-ex-machina type secret magics (thus my hyper-meta-super-psuke jab. I've seen suggestions go so far as to say he captured other souls, used them as armor, and the chorae somehow only killed his captured soul armors. Or that he wasn't ever there, or that it was someone that just looked like Moenghus using some kind of soul transplant or skin-spy style replacement stuff using secret psuke-jutsu. These are nor arguments for me)

Other arguments, as H noted, include him still being involved as a post-living entity, such as him ascending into some kind of uber-godhood, transcending death, space, and time to become the Solitary God... or some other such things. While I find these arguments more compelling than the latter, I find it unlikely.

It's not secret psuke-jutsu, Meppa disguised himself as Fanyal :D
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: themerchant on May 23, 2017, 06:09:08 pm
Aurang, Aurax, Shae and Mek.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Madness on May 23, 2017, 06:10:39 pm
It's like I've never even read these books - thanks, merchant.

This is why geoffro should have been responsible for his own poll ;).
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Hiro on May 23, 2017, 06:11:35 pm
Hmm, I think TUC might end with the No-God walking. So many will die, a great many.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: TaoHorror on May 23, 2017, 07:06:33 pm
I think that's what most/all of us are looking forward to: Kellhus vs Mog
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Simas Polchias on May 25, 2017, 06:35:48 pm
no one dies while no-god walks
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: TLEILAXU on May 26, 2017, 04:14:43 am
My sweet hero Shae÷nanra will definitely not die.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Tyrin on May 26, 2017, 03:16:33 pm
My sweet hero Shae÷nanra will definitely not die.

Shae or Aurang dying would be too sad to bear.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: H on May 26, 2017, 03:59:24 pm
My sweet hero Shae÷nanra will definitely not die.

Shae or Aurang dying would be too sad to bear.

Pretty sure Kellhus will suffer no rivals.  So, both necessarily have to die.  Hope we get a good Aurang soliloquy first though.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Walking-Star on May 27, 2017, 02:10:06 am
Had trouble deciding because "death" has become a bit fuzzy in Earwa ever since we saw the Wight-in-the-Mountain. If Cnaiur dies, could Kellhus or Serwe use the Daimos to summon his demonic soul back as a ciphrang?
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Simas Polchias on May 27, 2017, 12:52:08 pm
If Cnaiur dies
I had an impression he died at Mengedda and now, in terms of rariry and paradox, is akin to skinspy mage.
Reverse-ciphrang, the World leaking into the Outside through the remnants of human soul.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: mentsch on May 28, 2017, 02:31:44 pm
My sweet hero Shae÷nanra will definitely not die.

Shae or Aurang dying would be too sad to bear.

Pretty sure Kellhus will suffer no rivals.  So, both necessarily have to die.  Hope we get a good Aurang soliloquy first though.

I'm more excited a for a chat between Kellhus and Shae. Up for debate naturally, but to my eyes they're probably the most accomplished humans on Earwa.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: TaoHorror on May 28, 2017, 04:58:47 pm
I'm more excited a for a chat between Kellhus and Shae. Up for debate naturally, but to my eyes they're probably the most accomplished humans on Earwa.

Hear, hear! That would be VERY cool to "watch".
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: themerchant on May 28, 2017, 09:59:28 pm
If Cnaiur dies
I had an impression he died at Mengedda and now, in terms of rariry and paradox, is akin to skinspy mage.
Reverse-ciphrang, the World leaking into the Outside through the remnants of human soul.

Was Cnaiur there? I thought it was him that noticed less birds over there camp, and when him and Proyas rushed to see, Gotian Saubon etc had already marched.
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Simas Polchias on May 29, 2017, 09:53:18 pm
Was Cnaiur there? I thought it was him that noticed less birds over there camp, and when him and Proyas rushed to see, Gotian Saubon etc had already marched.
No, he wasn't, I've mixed Kyudea and Mengedda.  Shame on me. >:(
Title: Re: Who will die?
Post by: Madness on June 29, 2017, 01:15:58 pm
Man, Kayutas is leading the dead pool?!