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Earwa => General Earwa => Topic started by: Madness on June 12, 2017, 11:39:53 am

Title: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Madness on June 12, 2017, 11:39:53 am
A r/bakker fan (https://www.reddit.com/r/bakker/comments/6gr901/spell_resources/) is looking for a list (with citations as apparently the wiki isn't specific) of the Cants, Wards, and Glamours from the books.

Per the redditor there was such a thread on ZTS and I don't believe we have such a thread here.

Rectified. Begin collation!

Edit: Wilshire - added link.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Wilshire on June 12, 2017, 12:00:34 pm
Meppa Cataract
Cant of Compulsion
Surrilic(sp?) Point
Bar of Heaven

Spherical Wards

Many of the analogies have more basic: Dragon's Head, Fire Birds, Something Sun (Imperial Saik, mentioned in TTT)


Words that might help for those with searchable formats:
Loom
Theorem 
Quya

Scenes where cants are named:
Basically, the big battles that Akka is in right? Library, Iyokus/Ciphrang, Cil Aujas, Wutteat
Maybe be some analogies in TTT - not sure they are named
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Madness on June 12, 2017, 12:12:01 pm
For the purposes of our collection here, that's great.

For whatever reason, the reddit member seemed to imply that sourcing the page numbers was important to their goal.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: themerchant on June 12, 2017, 12:42:01 pm
Yeah the fights between Akka and Iyokus give examples from both sides.

As does the PoV from SS grandmaster when he fights Cish at end of TTT.

I can only paraphrase though atm.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: H on June 12, 2017, 12:56:55 pm
For the purposes of our collection here, that's great.

For whatever reason, the reddit member seemed to imply that sourcing the page numbers was important to their goal.

My eBooks are all jacked up, so exact page numbers are almost impossible for me to discern now.

I can give approximate locations though, for sure.

Anagogic Cants:
Houlari Twin-Tempests (TTT, Chapter 3)
Dragonhead (TTT, Chapter 16)
Memkotic Furies (TTT, Chapter 16)
Gotaggan Scythes (TWP, Chapter 19)
Ramparts of Ur (TTT, Chapter 16)

Gnostic Cants:
Cants of Torment (TTT, Glossary)
Bar of Heaven (TWP, Chapter 4)
Mathesis Pin (TFS)
Thawa Ligatures (TTT, Chapter 1)
Cirroi Loom (TWP, Chapter 19; TGO, Chapter 13)
The Bisecting Planes of Mirseor (TWP, Chapter 12)
Ishra Discursia (TTT, Chapter 6)
Cant of Sideways Stepping (WLW, Chapter 1)
The Seventh Quyan Theorem (TWP, Chapter 12)
The Ellipses of Thosolankis (TWP, Chapter 12)
The Compass of Noshainrau (TJE, Chapter 3)
Weära Comb (TWP, Chapter 19)
Odaini Concussion Cant (TWP, Chapter 19)
Huiritic Ring (TJE, Chapter 16)
Surillic Point (TJE, Chapter 16)
Cant of Translocation (WLW, Chapter 13)
Noviratic Spike (WLW, Chapter 15)
The Ninth Merotic (TGO, Chapter 13)

Mbimayu Cants:
Iswazi Cant (WLW, Chapter 11)
Muzzû Chalice (TGO, Chapter 16)

On these wards, it's unclear if they are proper names or not.  Somtimes they are capitalized like they are, sometimes not:
reflexive Wards (TTT, Chapter 3)
Spherical Wards (TTT, Chapter 3)
Directional Wards (TTT, Chapter 16)
Encircling Wards (TTT, Chapter  16)
Portcullis (TTT, Chapter 16)

I'll find more later and refine this list to be alphabetical.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Madness on June 12, 2017, 01:13:56 pm
Thanks, everyone :).

Also, from the reddit fan, SimiOfDoom:

Quote
I am currently adapting the Burning Wheel roleplaying system for an Eärwa-based campaign for my P&P group - that is why I need things to be as specific as possible, the magic system is quite a handful.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: H on June 12, 2017, 01:19:23 pm
Thanks, everyone :).

Also, from the reddit fan, SimiOfDoom:

Quote
I am currently adapting the Burning Wheel roleplaying system for an Eärwa-based campaign for my P&P group - that is why I need things to be as specific as possible, the magic system is quite a handful.

When I have a bit more time, I'll add in a definition of what each is according to their context, so it will be more like a glossary.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: themerchant on June 12, 2017, 01:22:27 pm
Memkotic Furies are described as a scalding horror i believe.

Seventh quan theorem.
ramparts of Ur
the 9th meotic
seswatha sidweays stepping cant.
the Ishra Discurcia (cant of calling he taught kellhus)
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: H on June 12, 2017, 01:26:21 pm
Memkotic Furies are described as a scalding horror i believe.

Seventh quan theorem.
ramparts of Ur
the 9th meotic
seswatha sidweays stepping cant.
the Ishra Discurcia (cant of calling he taught kellhus)

Good finds.  It will be pretty easy for me to define them all once  I have the names.  Finding the names is the tricky part.

I'll also break them up if they are Gnostic, Anagogic, or what-have you, when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Madness on June 12, 2017, 01:53:19 pm
When I have a bit more time, I'll add in a definition of what each is according to their context, so it will be more like a glossary.

You're a gem.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: themerchant on June 12, 2017, 05:13:02 pm
The Iswazi Cant

used by Malowbi to contact his leader.

The Mathesis Pin   

False sun somewhere i think

The Thawa Ligatures

Quaya variant used to torture Seswatha think at start of TTT

the bisecting planes of mirseor

used by akka to stress the wards of a SS schoolman in the library.

Cirroi loom is gnosis, as Akka uses it in the same scene.


Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: H on June 12, 2017, 05:16:46 pm
Cirroi loom is gnosis, as Akka uses it in the same scene.

Good point, I messed up there.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: themerchant on June 12, 2017, 05:47:46 pm
That list is looking might fine H.

Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: H on June 12, 2017, 05:56:22 pm
That list is looking might fine H.

I still can't find that Imperial Saik one that Wilshire mentioned, I do recall one being named though, I think.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: themerchant on June 12, 2017, 06:09:04 pm
That list is looking might fine H.

I still can't find that Imperial Saik one that Wilshire mentioned, I do recall one being named though, I think.

Not sure it is named. Isn't it from Conphas point of view the "sun from black clouds"

Then Esmi thinks about how they assail akka with dragons, lighting, lava and sun or something like that.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: themerchant on June 12, 2017, 06:13:39 pm
Skin Ward used by Akka just as the demon grabs him at end of TTT.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Wilshire on June 12, 2017, 06:25:51 pm
That list is looking might fine H.

I still can't find that Imperial Saik one that Wilshire mentioned, I do recall one being named though, I think.
Hmm, I was thinking its in TTT post akka/esmi coitus when he takes on a bunch of Saik - 3 or 4? - and I belive its his POV reflecting on their ineffectual cants.

Also, does Inrau name his nifty 'super strong hands that punch really fast' cant?
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: H on June 13, 2017, 11:54:49 am
Hmm, I was thinking its in TTT post akka/esmi coitus when he takes on a bunch of Saik - 3 or 4? - and I belive its his POV reflecting on their ineffectual cants.

Also, does Inrau name his nifty 'super strong hands that punch really fast' cant?

I think I found that part, but no named Cants there.

Inrau also just says some words and then does what he does, the cant is never named unfortunately.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Wilshire on June 13, 2017, 12:18:04 pm
Hmm, I was thinking its in TTT post akka/esmi coitus when he takes on a bunch of Saik - 3 or 4? - and I belive its his POV reflecting on their ineffectual cants.

Also, does Inrau name his nifty 'super strong hands that punch really fast' cant?

I think I found that part, but no named Cants there.

Inrau also just says some words and then does what he does, the cant is never named unfortunately.
It must only be described then. Huh.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: themerchant on June 14, 2017, 08:51:20 am
It has a nifty line about prayer from his lips and blasphemy from his mouth or something though, Damn I need to read that again, i can't mind it now, just mind it was great.

Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Wilshire on June 14, 2017, 04:03:58 pm
Similarly Akka speaks some 'words of death' or 'secret' or some such before the battle begins in the Serotic(sp?) Library. Unnamed though, IIRC.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: themerchant on June 15, 2017, 02:14:58 am
Well hopefully this is enough for the moment. I'll be doing a re-read soon, just finishing the last book of Robin Hobb's Fitz and the Fool. Then will start with TDTCB, maybe even splash the cash to get the audibooks. So will be on the look out for names and pages.
Title: Re: Request for List of Cants, Wards, and Glamours
Post by: Francis Buck on June 24, 2017, 06:21:37 am
For the purposes of our collection here, that's great.

For whatever reason, the reddit member seemed to imply that sourcing the page numbers was important to their goal.

My eBooks are all jacked up, so exact page numbers are almost impossible for me to discern now.

I can give approximate locations though, for sure.

Anagogic Cants:
Houlari Twin-Tempests (TTT, Chapter 3)
Dragonhead (TTT, Chapter 16)
Memkotic Furies (TTT, Chapter 16)
Gotaggan Scythes (TWP, Chapter 19)
Ramparts of Ur (TTT, Chapter 16)

Gnostic Cants:
Cants of Torment (TTT, Glossary)
Bar of Heaven (TWP, Chapter 4)
Mathesis Pin (TFS)
Thawa Ligatures (TTT, Chapter 1)
Cirroi Loom (TWP, Chapter 19; TGO, Chapter 13)
The Bisecting Planes of Mirseor (TWP, Chapter 12)
Ishra Discursia (TTT, Chapter 6)
Cant of Sideways Stepping (WLW, Chapter 1)
The Seventh Quyan Theorem (TWP, Chapter 12)
The Ellipses of Thosolankis (TWP, Chapter 12)
The Compass of Noshainrau (TJE, Chapter 3)
Weära Comb (TWP, Chapter 19)
Odaini Concussion Cant (TWP, Chapter 19)
Huiritic Ring (TJE, Chapter 16)
Surillic Point (TJE, Chapter 16)
Cant of Translocation (WLW, Chapter 13)
Noviratic Spike (WLW, Chapter 15)
The Ninth Merotic (TGO, Chapter 13)

Mbimayu Cants:
Iswazi Cant (WLW, Chapter 11)
Muzzû Chalice (TGO, Chapter 16)

On these wards, it's unclear if they are proper names or not.  Somtimes they are capitalized like they are, sometimes not:
reflexive Wards (TTT, Chapter 3)
Spherical Wards (TTT, Chapter 3)
Directional Wards (TTT, Chapter 16)
Encircling Wards (TTT, Chapter  16)
Portcullis (TTT, Chapter 16)

I'll find more later and refine this list to be alphabetical.

This awesome. Good work dude.

Not sure if it really counts but there is the bit in TWP where Achamian and Xinemus "walk the Shadow Path". I'm still not sure if that's magical or just a fancy way of saying no one saw them (the fact that they were walking amidst Cishaurim, combined with Xin's own recent blindness, make me lean toward some genuine metaphysical twist to it).