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Title: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 13, 2017, 11:25:11 am
Be warned, all you spoiler wary folks!
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 13, 2017, 01:13:04 pm
I really wish this aired on Saturdays, so I could watch it Sundays.  As it is, it will probably be Friday by the time I get to watch it...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 13, 2017, 01:16:00 pm
I wonder if the HBO Go leak will happen again.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 13, 2017, 02:17:25 pm
I wonder if the HBO Go leak will happen again.

I would imagine they would have tightened the screws after last time, but I don't really know how it happened so I guess it's possible.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 14, 2017, 11:52:19 am
Yeah - leakers, smdh ;). (~)
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 14, 2017, 11:54:09 am
Yeah - leakers, smdh ;).

Such is life in the digital age...

Frankly, I should probably rewatch the last episode of last season, because I barely recall what was going on.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 14, 2017, 11:56:17 am
Lol, I inserted sarcasm punctuation as you were responding ;).

But yes, I too need a refresh. I feel like the last episode is the one with the great intro music when Cersei blows the fuck out of the Faith-Militant.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 14, 2017, 12:05:52 pm
Lol, I inserted sarcasm punctuation as you were responding ;).

But yes, I too need a refresh. I feel like the last episode is the one with the great intro music when Cersei blows the fuck out of the Faith-Militant.

Was that?  Man, I feel like I last watched the show something like 5 years ago.  Too much real-life in the past year, really.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 14, 2017, 12:15:16 pm
Lol, no doubt.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 14, 2017, 12:28:13 pm
Lol, no doubt.

Had to go to Wiki to jog my memory, but I recall what was up now.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Parsh on July 15, 2017, 05:47:36 pm
If you haven't seen The Black Person's Guide to Game of Thrones (http://www.theroot.com/the-black-persons-guide-to-game-of-thrones-1796847562), do yourself a favor.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 15, 2017, 05:59:51 pm
I read that the other day. Very good read.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 17, 2017, 10:47:54 am
I read that the other day. Very good read.

You might enjoy this too: Game of Thrones: Libertarian Edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojubI-sYwho).

That being said, first episode continues the tradition of this show that not much happens, until at least the second...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on July 17, 2017, 05:28:30 pm
Watched the show last night and not a whole lot went on, per usual of most first shows of any season. One development I liked is Samwell snatched the keys to the part of the library restricted to the Measters, where info on the white-walkers is. Also, Danerys landing at an abandoned Dragonstone, as a base of operations and her ancestral home, thought it was great.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 17, 2017, 05:41:05 pm
Watched the show last night and not a whole lot went on, per usual of most first shows of any season. One development I liked is Samwell snatched the keys to the part of the library restricted to the Measters, where info on the white-walkers is. Also, Danerys landing at an abandoned Dragonstone, as a base of operations and her ancestral home, thought it was great.

Yeah, there were probably about 15 good minutes in there, interspersed with some really aimless dialogue and completely pointless scenes, one of which was so nonsensical I have a hard time imagining how Maisie Williams was not laughing at the cringe-worthy nature of it all (actually, it looked like she was about to the whole time).  Not to mention how implausible the whole set up was.  I guess in the last few years, the Lannister forces mellowed out a ton and the Riverlands are just a nice place to travel through...

I mean, I know the first episode is usually just pure set up, but this one seemed especially egregious.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on July 17, 2017, 06:34:27 pm
Though the opening scene was badass, I say that. Arya is on a mission and its the storyline I think I'm wanting the most of.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 17, 2017, 07:44:18 pm
Though the opening scene was badass, I say that. Arya is on a mission and its the storyline I think I'm wanting the most of.

Yeah, I mean the episode had a point, but man, between the opening and last 5 minutes, everything between was pretty forgettable.  At least we sort of find out what the Hound is going to be doing...

But if my wife hadn't told me who Ed Sheran was, that scene would have been more bizarre a pointless than it already was.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 17, 2017, 07:47:16 pm
Looking forward to watching it tonight. Read io9's breakdown, seems pretty straightforward.

As I said in last season's thread, I think, I feel like once they moved beyond the source text, the dialogue took a real nose-dive in quality.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 17, 2017, 07:55:56 pm
As I said in last season's thread, I think, I feel like once they moved beyond the source text, the dialogue took a real nose-dive in quality.

Yeah, although, to me, it was really all that noticeable until this episode.  I think the acting in this one was pretty sub-par too though.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on July 18, 2017, 12:17:22 am
Though the opening scene was badass, I say that. Arya is on a mission and its the storyline I think I'm wanting the most of.

Yeah, I mean the episode had a point, but man, between the opening and last 5 minutes, everything between was pretty forgettable.  At least we sort of find out what the Hound is going to be doing...

But if my wife hadn't told me who Ed Sheran was, that scene would have been more bizarre a pointless than it already was.

Ok....who is Ed Sheran, and what did he have to do with that scene? You've lost me H! :)
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Quorumtender on July 18, 2017, 01:01:51 am
Ok....who is Ed Sheran, and what did he have to do with that scene? You've lost me H! :)

Ed Sheeran was the blonde bloke singing the song while Arya was riding up to their mini camp.  He sings songs for a living in real life.

If I were to just be Thinking Out Loud, I would say he is in love with the Shape Of You.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on July 18, 2017, 01:35:46 am
Ok....who is Ed Sheran, and what did he have to do with that scene? You've lost me H! :)

Ed Sheeran was the blonde bloke singing the song while Arya was riding up to their mini camp.  He sings songs for a living in real life.

If I were to just be Thinking Out Loud, I would say he is in love with the Shape Of You.

Gotcha. Name sounded familiar. But the scene where Arya wears Freys face was good. She is gonna do some nasty stuff this season, me believes.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: SilentRoamer on July 18, 2017, 03:10:05 pm
I fully expect that "nice group of young men" Arya are with actually turn out to be a bunch of raping bastards or else Arya just kills them for being Lannisters - I really doubt that the scene is going to not develop further.

Just my 0.2c
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 18, 2017, 03:12:03 pm
I fully expect that "nice group of young men" Arya are with actually turn out to be a bunch of raping bastards or else Arya just kills them for being Lannisters - I really doubt that the scene is going to not develop further.

Just my 0.2c

SR 8)!

Yeah, I was waiting for something like that to happen but honestly, Aria seems untouchable for the time being. I was more worried for Sheeran and the Boys than I was for her, especially when she's eyeing up their weapons - not within reach to stop her.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 18, 2017, 03:12:39 pm
But then their stories of "people just being people" stay her hand.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on July 18, 2017, 03:35:37 pm
Nah she'll get info off them and travel north instead of south, if she was going to kill Cersei directly it would be a short season for Cersei.  Be dead by episode 3.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on July 18, 2017, 03:47:28 pm
I liked the episode more than season 5 and 6's premiers. Not quite as good as the first 4 though.
I don't think Arya will kill them. Would be a bit out of character to just kill people who did nothing to her or her family. I am really excited about how the political situation in the south is going to turn out, especially with Arya entering it.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 18, 2017, 03:54:33 pm
I actually thought it was a very poor premier, to be honest. Especially, given that the season only has seven episodes. I hope e2 makes up for that in a big way.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on July 18, 2017, 04:37:29 pm
Have you seen the theories it's not even Arya, it's Jaqen as Arya.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on July 18, 2017, 04:54:51 pm
I think/hope/pray that these last seasons are just fan fiction. Honestly the turn of events is greatly disappointing for my inchoroi tastes. I rather prefer that Martin doesn't end the series, than the crappy happy ending that HBO is clearly preparing for us.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 18, 2017, 04:55:08 pm
I actually thought it was a very poor premier, to be honest. Especially, given that the season only has seven episodes. I hope e2 makes up for that in a big way.

Yeah, can't help but agree.  Maybe I've just become an edgelord in the time off, but the acting really seemed poor.

Have you seen the theories it's not even Arya, it's Jaqen as Arya.

That seems even more dumb than the usual internet stupidity.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on July 20, 2017, 01:39:36 pm
I actually thought it was a very poor premier, to be honest. Especially, given that the season only has seven episodes. I hope e2 makes up for that in a big way.

Yeah, can't help but agree.  Maybe I've just become an edgelord in the time off, but the acting really seemed poor.

Have you seen the theories it's not even Arya, it's Jaqen as Arya.

That seems even more dumb than the usual internet stupidity.

Hard to tell it was an hour long video on the theory and i only heard about 5 mins before i fell asleep.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 20, 2017, 05:33:09 pm
I actually thought it was a very poor premier, to be honest. Especially, given that the season only has seven episodes. I hope e2 makes up for that in a big way.

Yeah, can't help but agree.  Maybe I've just become an edgelord in the time off, but the acting really seemed poor.

GJ was saying much the same to me yesterday. Poor writing leads, in part I'm sure, to poor acting.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 21, 2017, 01:04:42 pm
GJ was saying much the same to me yesterday. Poor writing leads, in part I'm sure, to poor acting.

Oh, no doubt.  As the saying goes, "you can't make a cake out of shit."

Or so I think it is a real saying...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 21, 2017, 02:07:41 pm
Lol... if Trailer Park Boys has taught me anything, you most definitely could make a Shitcake.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 21, 2017, 02:12:03 pm
Lol... if Trailer Park Boys has taught me anything, you most definitely could make a Shitcake.

I guess then you arrive at the question, "but who would want to eat it?"

The answer is "probably someone."
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 21, 2017, 02:37:49 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/dKKITxc.jpg)

;)

EDIT:Fixed your link for you, that site doesn't like hot-linking.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 24, 2017, 10:57:26 am
Well, I think the second episode was better, but still, barely anything has happened and we are technically a 1/4 the way through the season, right?  (Just looked it up, there are only actually 7 this season, not 8...)
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on July 24, 2017, 12:46:04 pm
It's fucking terrible. I don't actually watch TV (apart from real life shit, occasional sporting events and MMA/boxing) so this is the first time i've watched a show since LOST finished. Every scene dragged on and on. They have literally no material it seems like, Martin probably told them the waypoints, and that's all they have.

Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 24, 2017, 01:35:05 pm
It's fucking terrible. I don't actually watch TV (apart from real life shit, occasional sporting events and MMA/boxing) so this is the first time i've watched a show since LOST finished. Every scene dragged on and on. They have literally no material it seems like, Martin probably told them the waypoints, and that's all they have.

Yeah, I am willing to bet there is going to be at least one more episode that is basically all just "set-up filler" up next too.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on July 25, 2017, 02:12:21 pm
GoT is going to nowhere, for now it's a very disappointing season.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 26, 2017, 06:23:54 pm
I hope the destruction of Yara's fleet is going to kick us off quickly for the rest of the season.

Also, almost cried with Arya and Nymeria.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 30, 2017, 02:17:43 pm
Tonight shit better kick off. Well, I mean, I won't watch it until tomorrow or Tuesday but the reviews and synopses I read better sound lit. Where's all the money being spent, HBO?! One CGI Nymeria (who doesn't even care about Arya anymore :'() and some long-shots of Dragons...

I'll admit using a real pack of trained wolves for Nymeria's entourage was also great. Maisie Williams has poise and courage.

Even Euron's excellent use of fire, battering boats on water, and his crazed axe rampage were poorly shot. Give your shaky cam back to The Blair Witch Project.

That is all ;).
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on July 30, 2017, 02:28:46 pm
Annnnd, I still didn't watch episode 2 because of internet problems :(
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on July 30, 2017, 06:05:11 pm
You didn't lose anything interesting. And now surely we have to endure the Jon meets Dany bullshit...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on July 31, 2017, 12:44:21 am
You didn't lose anything interesting. And now surely we have to endure the Jon meets Dany bullshit...

I'm up to find out what happens. man the 2000's were a lonely place waiting on the books then A feast for crows comes out...

Imagine TUC only had sorweel , moe and serwa , and akka and mimara. No GO storyline or kellhus esmi and kel.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on July 31, 2017, 02:05:43 am
That was alright. I laughed at Olena talking about Widow's Wail.

Wish i could have read about Jon and Dany meeting instead of watching it on some HBO adaption but there you go.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 31, 2017, 11:03:15 am
You didn't lose anything interesting. And now surely we have to endure the Jon meets Dany bullshit...

Yep, along with more magical transportation, but this time for basically everyone.

So in three episodes now, we've had perhaps 4 things of any consequence happen, while nearly everyone has circumnavigated Westeros at least several times in the span of a couple weeks, it seems.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 31, 2017, 12:33:38 pm
I heard that Euron may or may not actually have magical transportation? Admittedly haven't seen last night's episode yet. Will probably watch it today cause I'm going to try for another solid TUC reading session.

EDIT: You know, I actually think had Martin been still writing ahead of the show, this would have included travel time and well-crafted monologues and these last two seasons might have been three or four.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on July 31, 2017, 12:54:43 pm
Conclusion of chapter 3: Littlefinger is dŻnyain. Alse else is rubbish. ;D
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 31, 2017, 12:59:18 pm
I heard that Euron may or may not actually have magical transportation? Admittedly haven't seen last night's episode yet. Will probably watch it today cause I'm going to try for another solid TUC reading session.

EDIT: You know, I actually think had Martin been still writing ahead of the show, this would have included travel time and well-crafted monologues and these last two seasons might have been three or four.

Perhaps Westeros is simply just shrinking?

Conclusion of chapter 3: Littlefinger is dŻnyain. Alse else is rubbish. ;D

I actually thought that was great advice.  Probably the sole piece of meaningful dialogue in the whole season so far...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on July 31, 2017, 01:17:39 pm
Yes, I love that thousandfold thought from Petyr.

But anyway the best chapter of the season for me, despite the multiple teletransportations - maybe they have metagnostic sorcerers, well, Kellhus can be in Westeros now.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 31, 2017, 01:35:00 pm
Yes, I love that thousandfold thought from Petyr.

But anyway the best chapter of the season for me, despite the multiple teletransportations - maybe they have metagnostic sorcerers, well, Kellhus can be in Westeros now.

Well, I am beginning to think the show is attempting to craft him into a sort of "necessary evil"-hero.  There seems to be no other reason for him being around.

Also, pretty sure one dragon will get shot down (probably Rhaegar).  This will leave two dragons, one for John and one for Daenerys.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on July 31, 2017, 05:18:15 pm
Conclusion of chapter 3: Littlefinger is dŻnyain. Alse else is rubbish. ;D

I actually thought that was great advice.  Probably the sole piece of meaningful dialogue in the whole season so far...

Lol.

I actually don't have so much a hate on for the show as it's going on. I repeat though that the next four episodes better be fucking stellar.

The acting wasn't as bad as I was led to believe. I happen to like Maniac Euron. He's a proper madman. I really wish Sam healing Jorah had been fleshed out a little more (pardon the unintentional pun). Glad to know that Jorah and the Mother of Dragons will get a reunion - even if it's just Jorah being killed in front of Daenerys later.

Tyrion is great as always. Love Davos (the actor and the character). I also didn't think Bran was all that spacey, given what he's experienced and his inability to explain that to Sansa.

Feel real bad for Greyworm though.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on July 31, 2017, 05:40:36 pm
It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC,  Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on July 31, 2017, 05:44:54 pm
It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC,  Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.

Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable.  Or at least, it certainly seems so.

The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2.  3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on July 31, 2017, 05:47:23 pm
It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC,  Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.

Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable.  Or at least, it certainly seems so.

The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2.  3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...

I was laughing at Jon scowling through scene after scene, especially the cliff scene with Tyrion. Man, are we grumpy...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 01, 2017, 11:44:19 am
Emo Jon ;).

It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC,  Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.

Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable.  Or at least, it certainly seems so.

The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2.  3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...

I won't be surprised if Martin doesn't have much in the way of layered surprises like Bakker had. The transgressive narrative Martin was building in '95 did push up against a lot of conventional story-telling (and inspired a hell of a lot of knock-on authors) but I don't think he ever intended to pull, say, an Abercrombie at the end of First Law.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on August 01, 2017, 12:11:20 pm
Emo Jon ;).

It's weird. After seasons (and books) of meandering storytelling, the pacing is accelerating and converging. Strands of stories, like Jorah and Sam, do feel way too rushed. The weird thing is that the closer it moves to its finale, the more conventional it seems to become. Where once anything could happen, now less and less can. This is what I like about TUC,  Bakker manages to amplify the ambiguity instead of things getting all onesided and predictable.

Yeah, I agree, the show is getting more and more predictable.  Or at least, it certainly seems so.

The acting was only kind of bad for most of episode 1 and parts of 2.  3 wasn't as bad, but there seems to me to still be too many throw-away lines and attempts to be witty...

I won't be surprised if Martin doesn't have much in the way of layered surprises like Bakker had. The transgressive narrative Martin was building in '95 did push up against a lot of conventional story-telling (and inspired a hell of a lot of knock-on authors) but I don't think he ever intended to pull, say, an Abercrombie at the end of First Law.

Layered surprises are more suitable for prose, as images are not as ambiguous as language can be.

So the TV-series is at a disadvantage and Martin himself is doubly so. Readers will experience the future SOFAI novels as adaptations of the series, instead of the other way around, the writer riffing on his own adaptation.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 01, 2017, 01:18:53 pm
Layered surprises are more suitable for prose, as images are not as ambiguous as language can be.

I don't know that I agree with that. There's been plenty of conscious seeding going on with the TV show, maybe even more explicitly (or less subtly) in the latter seasons, post-source material.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 01, 2017, 01:26:47 pm
Martin always says that his goal is achieve some bitter-sweet ending like LOTR - but with more blood and death I suppose.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 01, 2017, 02:08:18 pm
Martin always says that his goal is achieve some bitter-sweet ending like LOTR - but with more blood and death I suppose.

Unfortunate, I was kind of hoping the Night King just wins...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 01, 2017, 02:13:19 pm
Martin always says that his goal is achieve some bitter-sweet ending like LOTR - but with more blood and death I suppose.

Unfortunate, I was kind of hoping the Night King just wins...

Me too, so I think we will be very very disappointed.
Well, I could survive if Jon & Dany have a grisly death, yes, they can save the fucking world but, please, death has to come spiraling down over them.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 03, 2017, 06:13:34 am
Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 03, 2017, 11:51:00 am
Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.

Indeed.

I'm really looking forward to the Dondarrion, Hound, Snow et al. expedition beyond the wall hinted at in one of the teasers.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 03, 2017, 11:54:01 am
Teleporting, teleporting everywhere.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 03, 2017, 11:57:27 am
Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.

Indeed.

I'm really looking forward to the Dondarrion, Hound, Snow et al. expedition beyond the wall hinted at in one of the teasers.

Episode 7 probably, haha.  I don't know though...

I have my doubts (no, I didn't look up any spoilers though) that the next episode will see any real pick-up in action though.  More pieces placed (instantaneously, of course), I'd think, Arya (getting to Winterfell), Hound (getting to the Wall), and Jamie (back to King's Landing).
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 03, 2017, 12:14:01 pm
Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.

Indeed.

I'm really looking forward to the Dondarrion, Hound, Snow et al. expedition beyond the wall hinted at in one of the teasers.

Episode 7 probably, haha.  I don't know though...

I have my doubts (no, I didn't look up any spoilers though) that the next episode will see any real pick-up in action though.  More pieces placed (instantaneously, of course), I'd think, Arya (getting to Winterfell), Hound (getting to the Wall), and Jamie (back to King's Landing).

Well, by any kind of seemingly standard studio logic - since they aren't using all that extra money on every episode - "mid-season" episode and the second last or last episode should be fucking huge...

(Please, HBO, don't get complacent. Martin has been an amazing screenwriter since the 90s and while he gave you a boost, you need to not fuck this up... for the sake of unborn SFF adaptations everywhere!)
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 03, 2017, 03:49:30 pm
Caught up, finally. Disliked episode 2 but liked 3 well enough. Pretty excited to see some real action in the next one.

Indeed.

I'm really looking forward to the Dondarrion, Hound, Snow et al. expedition beyond the wall hinted at in one of the teasers.

Episode 7 probably, haha.  I don't know though...

I have my doubts (no, I didn't look up any spoilers though) that the next episode will see any real pick-up in action though.  More pieces placed (instantaneously, of course), I'd think, Arya (getting to Winterfell), Hound (getting to the Wall), and Jamie (back to King's Landing).

Well, by any kind of seemingly standard studio logic - since they aren't using all that extra money on every episode - "mid-season" episode and the second last or last episode should be fucking huge...

(Please, HBO, don't get complacent. Martin has been an amazing screenwriter since the 90s and while he gave you a boost, you need to not fuck this up... for the sake of unborn SFF adaptations everywhere!)
Tbh, they already fucked it up long ago. Most people who just watch the TV series with no knowledge of the books already like it anyway. So, HBO can never lose the bulk of it's fan base, whatever they do.
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Post by: Woden on August 03, 2017, 07:30:52 pm
Sad but fucking true.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 03, 2017, 07:32:38 pm
Damn the less discerning tastes of the TV fandom!
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 04, 2017, 02:50:59 pm
E4 leaked as that huge HBO hack is still playing out.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 04, 2017, 03:45:04 pm
Holy fuck!

Honestly, this has been one of my favorite episodes in a long time. Easily the best episode this season, probably one of the best episodes of GOT over the past couple seasons.

So many great character reunions a la TUC.

I won't spoil anything for any one but I will say Arya is a fucking BAMF and a scene with her and...

(click to show/hide)

Otherwise, Khaleesi!
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on August 04, 2017, 05:02:11 pm
Yeah saw it had leaked, also saw people saying it was a great episode. Also clicked that spoiler for no good reason either.

My own brain just sabotaging me with that click.

Littlefinger has no chance now, Bran is seemingly omniscient and once Arya finds out what he has been up to she'll just "fook him oop" to quote Conor McGregor lol.

I'll go watch the episode later.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 04, 2017, 05:38:49 pm
Can anybody PM me a link?  My Yar skills seems to be down :( .
Edit: Ok, I got the link now. Thanks User who shall not be named!
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Post by: MSJ on August 04, 2017, 07:11:31 pm
Is this the last season? I just dont see how it can be wrapped up this season.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 04, 2017, 07:53:06 pm
Is this the last season? I just dont see how it can be wrapped up this season.
No, it is the penultimate season.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on August 04, 2017, 07:59:04 pm
Thanks Redeagl! I disnt see at all how it would be possible. So, we're gonna get some Ice & Fire. Danerys and Jon will be the heroes, but i see and predict that Danerys will die. And, I so hope Jon learns of his true parents. Maybe not in the books, but i hope Bran tells him all of it.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 06, 2017, 10:14:20 am
Though, really, MSJ, there's only... uh, four episodes left in this season - including this upcoming Sunday's which already leaked in Lo-Res - and then six total in season eight.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 07, 2017, 05:34:23 am
Watched again. It was good to see the final 15 minute in 720p.Also, was that Bronn who saved Jaime? He was eyeing the white horse when Drogon burned the scorpion.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 07, 2017, 07:38:32 am
Great episode. The best one in seasons for me, and just for the final battle.

I was praying for Bronn to kill the Targaryen bitch but was a good end anyway.

On the other hand, Bran expressionless face seems to me fucking dŻnyain.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on August 07, 2017, 11:01:25 am
I need to echo my comments from last week. GOT is becoming more conventional every episode. That's my feeling after watching the Stark reuniting, one sibling more special than the other. A family of chosen ones?

The paradox for me is that I quit reading the books as it felt like going nowhere, and here I am lamenting the return of conventionality and predictability. I enjoyed the feeling of danger, that no one is safe, that feeling is receding.

TV VFX sure has gone a long way, the Dragon lighting up the L-army. Still, for me the Battle of the Bastards was more powerful. Magic and superpowers, they are difficult ingredients to get right.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 07, 2017, 11:19:47 am
At least something finally happened.

More obvious set up though.  Arya most probably will kill the Night King with that dagger.

Also, anyone know WTF Bran said to Littlefinger right after he handed him the dagger?  It sounded like English but damned if my wife or I could make heads or tails of it...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on August 07, 2017, 11:35:27 am
At least something finally happened.

More obvious set up though.  Arya most probably will kill the Night King with that dagger.

Also, anyone know WTF Bran said to Littlefinger right after he handed him the dagger?  It sounded like English but damned if my wife or I could make heads or tails of it...

"Chaos is a ladder..."
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 07, 2017, 12:12:56 pm
"Chaos is a ladder..."

Shit, ok, I thought he said "ladder" but the more I heard it, it started sounding like "larder" to me and then I was way off track as to what the first word would be.

Thanks, scene makes a lot more sense now.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 07, 2017, 06:47:26 pm
TV VFX sure has gone a long way, the Dragon lighting up the L-army. Still, for me the Battle of the Bastards was more powerful. Magic and superpowers, they are difficult ingredients to get right.

The battle choreography and cinematography has been pretty damn terrible this season.

At least something finally happened.

More obvious set up though.  Arya most probably will kill the Night King with that dagger.

Also, anyone know WTF Bran said to Littlefinger right after he handed him the dagger?  It sounded like English but damned if my wife or I could make heads or tails of it...

"Chaos is a ladder..."

Yeah, I fucking loved that. Whipped that shit-eating grin right off Littlefinger's face.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: locke on August 07, 2017, 07:06:02 pm
That was alright. I laughed at Olena talking about Widow's Wail.

Wish i could have read about Jon and Dany meeting instead of watching it on some HBO adaption but there you go.
I feel reasonably certain that Jon and dany will not be meeting until after dany subdued the sothron kingdoms. The show bringing them together, and bringing dany together with all the other power players she met with was a time compression mechanism to allow them to advance multiple storylines at once (by having people together) rather than going the A-B-C-D The books will assuredly take. So the show launches the southern invasion together simultaneously with protracted negotiations with the north, Martin will almost assuredly take half a book to get dany to dragon stone and declare herself, half a book to negotiate with dorne, half a book to launch an invasion of casterly rock and lose high garden, half a book to lose all naval power, all without getting to the Lannister field of fire nor even opening cordial lines of communication between dany and the north.

All of this after Martin spends a book and a half on the irrelevant blackfyre side plot with (f)Aegon.

Right now, I figure these first four episodes have adapted about two books of major plot developments, which is why there is so much teleportation travel going on, because they have to wrap things up within a specific storytelling constraint, and if teleporting travel is necessary to move through the story, I'll take it. As I recall, aragorns army teleported to the gates of morder as return of the king the film was drawing near the end, and this was a fine adaptation solution.
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Post by: Woden on August 07, 2017, 07:41:57 pm
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 08, 2017, 12:53:39 pm
I feel reasonably certain that Jon and dany will not be meeting until after dany subdued the sothron kingdoms. The show bringing them together, and bringing dany together with all the other power players she met with was a time compression mechanism to allow them to advance multiple storylines at once (by having people together) rather than going the A-B-C-D The books will assuredly take. So the show launches the southern invasion together simultaneously with protracted negotiations with the north, Martin will almost assuredly take half a book to get dany to dragon stone and declare herself, half a book to negotiate with dorne, half a book to launch an invasion of casterly rock and lose high garden, half a book to lose all naval power, all without getting to the Lannister field of fire nor even opening cordial lines of communication between dany and the north.

+1

This. Indeed.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 08, 2017, 02:18:14 pm
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.

Yeah, that's my feeling too.  The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything.  That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.
Title: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 08, 2017, 03:31:19 pm
George has announced a new book of Targaryen history, I bet that it's going to be published earlier that Winds of Winter. Seems to me that this new book of Targaryens is going to be the core of the new HBO series and sure George wants to have something tangible to offer them.
We have to asume that finishing ASOIAF is not his priority right now. And it pisses me off badly.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Somnambulist on August 08, 2017, 04:07:42 pm
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.

Yeah, that's my feeling too.  The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything.  That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.

This is pretty much Life Lessons 101.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: locke on August 08, 2017, 04:30:58 pm
George has announced a new book of Targaryen history, I bet that it's going to be published earlier that Winds of Winter. Seems to me that this new book of Targaryens is going to be the core of the new HBO series and sure George wants to have something tangible to offer them.
We have to asume that finishing ASOIAF is not his priority right now. And it pisses me off badly.
Link?
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 08, 2017, 04:34:11 pm
He posted this in his Not a Blog.

He said that we will have one or maybe two books in 2018, but knowing him that is wishful thinking at best. I am pretty sure (and I really want to be wrong) that we will have one book in 2018 but it will be the Targaryen shit and not WoW.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 08, 2017, 04:58:27 pm
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.

Yeah, that's my feeling too.  The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything.  That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.

This is pretty much Life Lessons 101.

If you add, humans are (usually) gross and stupid, just people someone acts like an asshole doesn't mean you should and just because you feel something is true doesn't mean it actually is, you are probably pretty set to get through life reasonably.
Title: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: locke on August 08, 2017, 06:40:11 pm
He posted this in his Not a Blog.

He said that we will have one or maybe two books in 2018, but knowing him that is wishful thinking at best. I am pretty sure (and I really want to be wrong) that we will have one book in 2018 but it will be the Targaryen shit and not WoW.
Meereenese knot 2.0 is a tough one to crack

Though I don't believe he ever solved it in the first place, since the show has revealed that the Crux of the knot is the yet to be achieved timing of dany returning with dothraki to win the battle of meereen. In other words he just pushed the central problem to the next book. Remember, the first dany chapter of AdWD was supposed to be the fighting pits where she flies off on drogon, and then she spends the rest of the book subduing the dothraki and returning to meereen. And whilst in this stage of writing before AFFC had been created, Martin was already talking about the meereenese knot.

Once he eliminated the five year gap, he started writing dany chapters to preface her fleeing the city, and each of those chapters further threw off the structure of the book, because other characters now needed more fleshed out journies so dany had time to be motivated to flee meereen. So rather than one prologue chapter introducing Quentin, one introducing Victarian, we get three of each as they go from a to b to c.

Then we get further Tyrian chapters to lengthen his journey to match and then further dorne and iron islands and blackfyre chapters to further flesh out the supporting story for the new storylines, and dany gets more chapters in meereen leading to a snowball effect pushing the central problem of convergence with dothraki to be even more impossible.

Unfortunately, by the point the book has snowballed into this unwieldy mess they made the disastrous decision to split out AFFC. This was a long term disaster because it locked In those chapters. I imagine without it being published he would have rewritten the bulk of it (and much of ADWD ) to be more compact, but instead all of these loose ideas of which character would work as the best pov got made into permanent choices. So rather than Martin deciding between arys oakheart, Arianne, or areo, his perspective options he was exploring were made into permanent selections, and rather than collapse six chapters into three we got six. Same with iron islands.

What got it in publishing shape was using Barristan at the end of the book to unify the various loose plot strands in meereen that all arrived too early. At the very least this created some dramatic resolution
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 08, 2017, 06:56:04 pm
The five year gap was the key to solve all the problems he face now.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on August 08, 2017, 09:07:49 pm
One of the reasons I stopped reading GRRM's serie was that the waiting was not worth it anymore for me. This is another reason why I appreciate Bakker's work ethic. I started reading just before TGO was published though, so I missed out on the gap before that one. Still...!
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 09, 2017, 03:28:48 am
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.

Yeah, that's my feeling too.  The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything.  That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.

This is pretty much Life Lessons 101.

Preach :).
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on August 12, 2017, 09:57:28 pm
Fucking true and I am almost sure that George will never finish the books.

Yeah, that's my feeling too.  The series really teaches you some valuable life lessons like don't expect too much, don't get emotionally invested in people not emotionally invested in you, don't figure something will be great just because it started so, have more patience than you know what to do with, and don't think you are entitled to anything.  That applies to the narrative and the actual books themselves.

With multiple book series though it presents a small problem in the sense that people need to buy the first books for the latter to be published. So what sort of expectations are there? Would as many people buy the earlier books knowing that finishing the series wasn't a priority? I have no idea. I feel there is some small level of tacit agreement you're going to finish the series. At the same time it seems entitled to moan at someone to finish something when they can't or really don't want to.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 14, 2017, 04:22:44 am
Fuck Dany. I hope she dies screaming while burning.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 14, 2017, 06:21:49 am
Ok, aside from the Dany hate, it was a good episode. I am excited to see the "Westerosi Avengers" put to work in the next episode.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 14, 2017, 09:35:24 am
I share your feelings about Dany.
But nice episode anyway.
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Post by: Hiro on August 14, 2017, 10:13:10 am
Carrying on where I left off, the plot-convenience machine is further revving up. I have to put my hands on my ears now and then because it's so noisy. As if I'm watching a summary, the drama and plot on fastforward. Not a lot of scenes have much to offer beyond their plot purpose, variations of: 'Hey I'm looking for you for this thing...' / 'Sure, I'll drop e'thing, let's go...'

On the other hand, this show does look better each season. That Eastwatch matte painting, the dragon, the ravens, wow. Cersei's good.

Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 14, 2017, 10:32:25 am
I share your feelings about Dany.
But nice episode anyway.

I am not really a fan of hers, but what did she do wrong now?  I'd have drawn a quartered those guys all the same, honestly, so I think she was pretty merciful.

I felt that it was yet another episode of essentially nothing happening though...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 15, 2017, 03:03:59 pm
It's interesting to think but they put more money into doing less episodes and really all they've bought themselves is poor writing. I think that decision alone has handicapped this show entirely.

I actually liked the episode, I thought there were plenty of great moments, but for more Drogon, a Nymeria, and her real-life trained wolves, and Ed Sheeran this season, I feel the writers did themselves a disservice and could've written better without paying more for those episode-count limiting features.

This season is basically plotted now. The Westerosi Avengers are going to succeed, possibly even being saved directly by Daenerys and Dragons. One of the dragons is going to die, killed the by the White Walkers. Cersei will be presented with a chained Undead and still disbelieve. Jaime might kill Cersei and bend the knee. Euron will fuck over humanity by still continuing the human war and probably take one of the other Dragons with the Horn/raise the Kraken (but you know, then be dealt with in the first two of six episodes in season eight). Sansa will usurp Jon in the North but Jon will think it's a good thing. Arya is going to kill Littlefinger after discrediting him.

I expect some surprises and big deaths - maybe even Danearys or Jon - but I imagine that the Wall coming down and humanity being united against of the White Walkers - minus Euron being an insane dick - is how this season ends.

The writers should have trusted themselves rather than trying to trump story with spectacle.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 16, 2017, 03:50:59 pm
Apparently episode 6 was leaked too. At this point, I am pretty sure that this forum have better internet protection than HBO.
Title: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 16, 2017, 04:14:28 pm
It was leaked last night by a mistake of the spanish tv platform. Lol.
 I was able to see it during the scarce hours it was available.
And I can say it was a great episode, although predictable.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Somnambulist on August 16, 2017, 04:29:39 pm
Just my 2 cent observation on this season so far: I understand they're trying to get all the pieces in place, hence everyone 'fast-traveling' everywhere in Westeros.  The final season will be all about the war.  I get it.  But... the white walkers are STILL on the other side of the Wall. Still. On.  The.  Other.  Side.  Of.  The.  Wall.  What, they don't have the fast-travel option?  You only get it once you've been to a location already?  Skyrim Forever!

(sigh)
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on August 16, 2017, 05:09:47 pm
Just my 2 cent observation on this season so far: I understand they're trying to get all the pieces in place, hence everyone 'fast-traveling' everywhere in Westeros.  The final season will be all about the war.  I get it.  But... the white walkers are STILL on the other side of the Wall. Still. On.  The.  Other.  Side.  Of.  The.  Wall.  What, they don't have the fast-travel option?  You only get it once you've been to a location already?  Skyrim Forever!

(sigh)

Yeah Euron has sailed from coast to coast in one episode and the others are taking 4 series to walk from the fist of first men to Eastwatch.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 16, 2017, 05:57:55 pm
It was leaked last night by a mistake of the spanish tv platform. Lol.
 I was able to see it during the scarce hours it was available.
And I can say it was a great episode, although predictable.
Well, this time I am holding out until Sunday to see it in a better resolution. Even if Madness says that it's better than TUC.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 16, 2017, 06:22:43 pm
It was leaked last night by a mistake of the spanish tv platform. Lol.
 I was able to see it during the scarce hours it was available.
And I can say it was a great episode, although predictable.
Well, this time I am holding out until Sunday to see it in a better resolution. Even if Madness says that it's better than TUC.
Nope. Found it subtitled and in 720p. No waiting for me.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 17, 2017, 05:36:38 am
It is shit.
Edited to add: I really hope that this episode was just a bland prank.
Edit 2: The episode really ruined the season for me.... It made me even hate the last few episodes that I loved. I mean, Davos joking with Tyrion about the death of his children.... The fuck?  I feel like a Westerosi ( The forum, not actual Westeros. ) .
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on August 17, 2017, 10:14:01 am
All I can say is Pheidippides and boy a westerosi Raven is faster than both an African or European Swallow.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 17, 2017, 11:12:38 am
All I can say is Pheidippides and boy a westerosi Raven is faster than both an African or European Swallow.

Faster than amazon.es indeed.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 21, 2017, 05:10:29 pm
I thought this last episode was fine. I don't share the plotting criticisms (not necessarily here) that others seem to.

Lol, damn, did I call it last week. Also, how is it none of the spoilers I saw online mentioned the goddamn Undead Polar Bear?!

At least I know this whole sequence will be better paced and written when Martin gets to it, even if I didn't like his writing as a teenager.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 21, 2017, 05:17:24 pm
I was really hoping that the Night King just killed them all, stupid asses.  If Gendry could run away, why wouldn't they go the same direction?
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: SrancHammer on August 21, 2017, 07:59:38 pm
Anybody else on board with the idea bran might be the night king? Seems fitting to me. "A song of ice and fire" Danny we all know is fire, the night king is ice, Jon snow is half fire (targayian) and ice (stark) so for symbolisms sake shouldn't the night king be a stark? Having bran potentially warg back in time in an effort to stop the creation of the night king may inadvertently make him the night king. Seems like a nice balance in my eyes. Targayian-targayian/stark-stark. Fire-fire/ice-ice


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Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 21, 2017, 08:06:26 pm
I saw a video on youtube with that theory yesterday. It is cool, but honestly I don't believe it's true.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on August 21, 2017, 09:58:19 pm
Brandon Stark is the Night King. Bran is short for Brandon. Is this just supposed to be a play on words or something? Bran obviously isnt the Night King, that's a very weak theory of I've ever heard one.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 22, 2017, 03:44:54 am
I was really hoping that the Night King just killed them all, stupid asses.  If Gendry could run away, why wouldn't they go the same direction?

Really H?  You couldn't see the TONS of plot Armour on them? 

Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: locke on August 22, 2017, 04:16:48 am
Heh, the show is running headlong into the thicket of thorns of the westerosi knot. Martin took eleven years and was unable to untangle the meereenese knot and the show seems to believe that getting through the much more complex task of unifying all these storylines in preparation for the white walkers is best achieved as fast as possible as bulldozer as possible.

To be fair, since there is no more political conflict south of the neck, they're kind of forced to kludge through plot points as they no longer have political machinations and schemes to pad the time between plot events, it's somewhat to their credit not to have a bunch of directionless political scheming filler at this point, just direct faction on faction conflicts and alliances. Such a shame dany spent so much time in meereen which is what is creating this current plot bulldozer methodology.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 22, 2017, 12:59:37 pm
Am I the only one who is looking forward to Cleganebowl?!
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 23, 2017, 10:36:32 am
I was really hoping that the Night King just killed them all, stupid asses.  If Gendry could run away, why wouldn't they go the same direction?

Really H?  You couldn't see the TONS of plot Armour on them?

I saw it...just was hoping it would drag them to the bottom of that lake...
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on August 23, 2017, 01:14:40 pm
Another 2 cents added to this bowl:

Plausibility is dead and buried, with no possible resurrection by White Walker. For the sake of spectacle or something, the plot and character engines have gone bust.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Somnambulist on August 23, 2017, 02:17:42 pm
This is pretty much a throw-away season that only exists to set up the final season.  DEM style all the way, all coherence and suspension of disbelief gone.  It's just silly.  IMO, anyway.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on August 24, 2017, 12:42:37 pm
Fairly complete in its appraisal:

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/23/16184306/game-of-thrones-season-7-white-walker-dragon-battle-dumb-no-sense (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/23/16184306/game-of-thrones-season-7-white-walker-dragon-battle-dumb-no-sense)
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 28, 2017, 04:44:26 am
Mediocre episode. The final scene was amazing. The dialogue wasn't as bad as it can get, but nothing special otherwise.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 28, 2017, 09:18:46 am
The end was indeed amazing.

Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 28, 2017, 11:08:14 am
This episode really highlighted to me how little I actually care about the show anymore.  My wife was on the edge of her seat and I was laying back, I even fell asleep at one point.  The episode wasn't too bad, but also wasn't what I'd call great.

After, I figured out, in explaining to my wife, why the Night King is actually the hero (and why I just want the Night King to win):

1.) The Night King is a force of equality.  You don't see the dead fighting with each other, do you?  Nope, they just march all nice and orderly, no one is fucking around, or trying to do something stupid.

2.) The Night King doesn't fuck around.  He handles his shit.  He also doesn't waste time talking about doing shit, he just does it.

3.) The Night King doesn't waste shit.  Yep, he recycles.  Green as can be.

Also, my wife wanted to know why the Night King wants everyone dead.  Well, I figured it out:

The Night King just wants some peace and quiet.  He just wants everyone to quit fucking around and calm down.  He also wants everyone to just die, but that's because he also knows that Winter is coming and dead people can't starve.

So, my wife asked, what will The Night King so if he wins and everyone is dead?

The answer is obvious.  Sleep.  Finally.  In some god damn peace and quiet.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 28, 2017, 11:39:17 am
And instead of The Consult guys the Night King doesn't rape any ass.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 28, 2017, 11:59:10 am
And instead of The Consult guys the Night King doesn't rape any ass.

See, it gets better and better!  The Night King pretty much 100% guarantees to end rape.  And incest too, because you know how much people in Westeros are in to that...

If I wasn't lazy and uninspired, I'd make some "Good Guy Night King" memes.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 28, 2017, 12:02:31 pm
I truly prefer that the Night King wins than the lame alternative of dumb Jon/Aegon marrying Dany and ruling Westeros happily ever after.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 28, 2017, 12:21:32 pm
I truly prefer that the Night King wins than the lame alternative of dumb Jon/Aegon marrying Dany and ruling Westeros happily ever after.

Yeah, I definitely agree there.

I am just so emotionally divested from the story and the characters at this point that I don't even care what happens to any of them, really.  I don' even recall most of the books at this point, I was already dispassionately reading them at AFFC.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 28, 2017, 12:28:43 pm
My worst fear is Martin will write the same shit in the books. I bet for that in the main lines, I think that only the details will be different.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 28, 2017, 12:43:59 pm
My worst fear is Martin will write the same shit in the books. I bet for that in the main lines, I think that only the details will be different.

I think that is pretty likely.  When we realized that the show would severely outpace the books, I thought it was pretty likely that what we would see would be essentially the same end-game as the books, just taken us on a different path to get there.  With as much stuff as was left out of the show from ADWD and such, I think that is probably the fact of the matter: different window-dressing, same results.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 28, 2017, 12:47:29 pm
Yes. Shitty end incoming for the books.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on August 28, 2017, 01:51:10 pm
My worst fear is Martin will write the same shit in the books. I bet for that in the main lines, I think that only the details will be different.
God,  please not that. It will be a massive waste of time if that happened.I am holding hope that the books will continue being decent, show doesn't have anything to do with the books anymore for me. Just the names ( And even that is doubtful after last episode. ) are similar.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 28, 2017, 01:59:06 pm
And George remains silent. I think that he will not end WOW before 2019.
I am fucking tired of ASOIAF, I start reading the books in 2005, too much time to be stuck in this point (fuck the 5 years gap and the meereenese knot).
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: TLEILAXU on August 28, 2017, 04:46:42 pm
That's implying GURM will ever finish the last two books
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 28, 2017, 05:06:49 pm
I hope that he at least will finish WoW (maybe in 2019), but with DoS I haven't the same hope.

It seems (for what he posts in his Not-a-blog) the he's now more devoted to his Targaryen History Book than to WoW. And that is very likely because if HBO is going to make a spin-off Martin will want to at least give them some material to work from.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on August 28, 2017, 05:09:09 pm
I hope that he at least will finish WoW (maybe in 2019), but with DoS I haven't the same hope.

It seems (for what he posts in his Not-a-blog) the he's now more devoted to his Targaryen History Book than to WoW. And that is very likely because if HBO is going to make a spin-off Martin will want to at least give them some material to work from.

Honestly, as crappy as it is, he should just give up on fixing the shit storm he made of the books and write that.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on August 28, 2017, 05:17:29 pm
Yes, if he truly believes that he should do it.
But I think that he is a kind of optimistic compulsive man and he's still believing that he will be able to square the circle.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: SrancHammer on August 28, 2017, 08:53:07 pm
Anybody else feel something big happened between Cersei and Tyrian that we didn't see? The scene with him creeping in the hallway while Danny and Jon made inbred baby's seemed odd, like he was sad about something, my initial thought was betrayal but I can't see that happening


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Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on August 28, 2017, 09:55:14 pm
I always liked the implication that Martin was going to go full Lovecraft with the books.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on August 29, 2017, 01:52:18 pm
Mediocre episode. The final scene was amazing. The dialogue wasn't as bad as it can get, but nothing special otherwise.

Well...mediocre is a gentle assessment. I do have great issues with the dialogue. That Bran and Sam scene, for instance, the dialogue is so on the nose, and the jokes are so forced, shudder.

Another example, the Hound just walking up to the Mountain to have his say. Was that really the most organic way they could conceive of...?

Visually, absolutely amazing, from Drogon carrying Dany into the Dragonpit to the Ice-Dragon. Plot and character-wise? See my previous comments.

 :(
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Hiro on September 01, 2017, 09:24:09 pm
Canny article, looking forward:

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/9/1/16225980/game-of-thrones-finale-ending-impossible (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/9/1/16225980/game-of-thrones-finale-ending-impossible)
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 01, 2017, 09:48:04 pm
Excellent article. I agree with all its conclusions. I don't expect the great finale that the saga deserves, I expect only a shitty end. And even if Jon has to sacrifice Dany to destroy the Others (as we can infer with the story of Azor Ahai) or viceversa it will be shitty for me, because I want cruel death to all this fucking dumb Starkgaryens.

I specially hate the fact that all the characters that use the intellect to rise to power are all dead by now, Tywin, Littlefinger, Olena Tyrell... (we have the exception of Sansa who has finally learned to use whats inside her beautiful head). The message is pretty disappointing: be brave and you will win, you don't have to use your wits, only to be pretty and bold, and Sam will produce a book that says you are a fucking Targaryen or Tyrion will rule for you while you can burn people who don't like you, and sure finally you will roast the Night King's ass with your dragons (in a battle without any militar sense - I bet for that) and you can happily rule over Westeros banging your relatives and having normal and not retard babies ever after.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on September 08, 2017, 06:10:16 am
http://www.gamesradar.com/did-you-spot-this-night-kingbran-easter-egg-in-the-game-of-thrones-season-7-finale/

Don't know how many of you have seen this, but thought it pretty cool. Maybe, the "bitter-sweet" ending GRRM always talks about is that Jon Snow will have to kill Bran to save Westeros from the long-night?

[EDIT Madness: Fixed.]
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 08, 2017, 10:22:19 am
http://www.gamesradar.com/did-you-spot-this-night-kingbran-easter-egg-in-the-game-of-thrones-season-7-finale/

Don't know how many of you have seen this, but thought it pretty cool. Maybe, the "bitter-sweet" ending GRRM always talks about is that Job Snow will have to kill Bran to save Westeros from the long-night?

Pfff.
Maybe Bran is the Night King, but if Jon has to kill him and nobody else dies and he can live happily ever after fucking his aunt it will not be a bittersweet ending but one for a crappy romantic love story. A gargantuan smoking shit.

I expect to see dead at least: Jon or Dany (the two would be better, of course), Bran (being the Night King or not), Arya, two Lannisters at gusto, some squids, the rest of the Martel, and a bunch of secundaries.
But I want the Hound and ser Jorah to survive.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on September 08, 2017, 11:59:23 am
I don't get the whole "click-bait" article (not specifically that one above, but I've seen many others) that say Bran is the Night King.

Don't we already know that the Night King is some old Stark that was a disgraced Lord Commander?

While I guessed in the past that Bran would Warg a dragon, I guess the answer now is that he is going to Warg an undead dragon out from under the Night King.  He probably dies in the process or something, but I can't really see it going any other way.  Otherwise, what the hell is the point of Bran's "powers" besides him "legitimizing" John and substantiating the Targaryen incest rule?
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 08, 2017, 12:18:45 pm
I want them all dead. Night king FTW. Lol
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on September 08, 2017, 12:39:11 pm
I want them all dead. Night king FTW. Lol
Same. Alas, that won't happen, books or show.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 08, 2017, 01:22:38 pm
Yeah, I know. A pity.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on September 08, 2017, 03:06:38 pm
Don't we already know that the Night King is some old Stark that was a disgraced Lord Commander?

That's from the books, though, no?

While I guessed in the past that Bran would Warg a dragon, I guess the answer now is that he is going to Warg an undead dragon out from under the Night King.

Good call.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on September 08, 2017, 04:46:22 pm
Amazing 360" picture of the Night King's army (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/9r9BR).
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on September 08, 2017, 04:54:31 pm
Don't we already know that the Night King is some old Stark that was a disgraced Lord Commander?

That's from the books, though, no?

I think so?  I mean, I can't remember shit from the book anymore though.  I doubt they changed that, though it's possible.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on September 08, 2017, 05:19:57 pm
Book Night's King have been dead for many, many years. And was an entirely different thing than the show one.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 08, 2017, 06:56:36 pm
Yes, but I honestly don't know if the tv bullshit won't affect Martin at all. Maybe the crappy solutions of HBO seem great ideas for him.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on September 08, 2017, 07:33:06 pm
The Night King/Bran theories are intriguing. I just found that it was best the the formation of walkers entering through the wall was the shape of a direwolve. Easter Egg, probably. But, I agree, the books will be different in alot of respects. And, I think that's a good thing.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on September 08, 2017, 07:36:24 pm
On, and in the books I thinknthats there a difference between the Night King and The Night's King, the 113 Lord Commander that married a white-walker.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 08, 2017, 11:52:21 pm
Yes. We don't know if there is a night king nowadays.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: TaoHorror on September 09, 2017, 05:59:25 pm
Yeah, I'm rooting for the White Walkers - I have a soft spot for the undead.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 09, 2017, 06:25:01 pm
Yeah, I'm rooting for the White Walkers - I have a soft spot for the undead.

Lol. Me too.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on September 09, 2017, 07:40:28 pm
Yeah, I'm rooting for the White Walkers - I have a soft spot for the undead.

Lol. Me too.
That's why I love this forum.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 10, 2017, 09:52:23 am
"And I have a tender spot in my heart for white walkers and wights and cursed things"
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: solipsisticurge on September 10, 2017, 02:24:55 pm
Season 7 saw the show become my go-to source for mindless fun. A Song of Ice and Fire - the video game you watch! My television viewing is done primarily at 3 or 4 AM when the wife and baby are asleep and I'm staying up out of stubborn refusal to be a responsible adult (and a childish demand that SOME portion of my day be spent selfishly), so the plot dropping a few IQ points wasn't too contentious for me. I got to see dragons blow shit up, the worst D&D party ever keep rolling criticals on not freezing to death, and the occasional tit. It met my meager needs.

I don't have any honest predictions for the finale. I long ago ceased contemplating GoT/ASoIaF's future as a survival mechanism against inevitable disappointment. I hope the little kid lady in the north (Lady Mormont?) does something spectacular, and that we see zombie Hodor.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: MSJ on September 10, 2017, 03:31:48 pm
Quote from:  Woden
"And I have a tender spot in my heart for white walkers and wights and cursed things"

I'm very curious, why is it that you and others (Redeagl, I'm looking at you) have such a want and fascination with the bad guys winning? And, the white-walkers are the bad guys, a board of undead, killing a planet is certainly not the good guys. I'm just curious is all.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Redeagl on September 10, 2017, 04:39:02 pm
Quote from:  Woden
"And I have a tender spot in my heart for white walkers and wights and cursed things"

I'm very curious, why is it that you and others (Redeagl, I'm looking at you) have such a want and fascination with the bad guys winning? And, the white-walkers are the bad guys, a board of undead, killing a planet is certainly not the good guys. I'm just curious is all.
I hate the show post season 4 or at least don't like it as much. It killed all my favourite characters ( Many of which are still alive in the books. ) and destroyed the character development of others that now the only thing they share with their book counterparts is their names. It now focuses on my lesser liked characters and it also became ultra predictable. The White Walkers winning would be a surprise. And I am a tragedy whore.BTW, my opinions on the books are pretty different. Now, if I read successfully between the lines and you are hinting about my support for the Consult, that's also a completely different and complex story. It's not just " Oh, I am so edgy I just want the bad guys to win!!!" . Ok, maybe there is some of that but there is also some completely legitimate reasons ( In my opinions.  ) for me to root for them.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: TLEILAXU on September 10, 2017, 07:30:38 pm
I'm rooting for Qyburn.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on September 13, 2017, 12:15:14 am
Quote from:  Woden
"And I have a tender spot in my heart for white walkers and wights and cursed things"

I'm very curious, why is it that you and others (Redeagl, I'm looking at you) have such a want and fascination with the bad guys winning? And, the white-walkers are the bad guys, a board of undead, killing a planet is certainly not the good guys. I'm just curious is all.

Totally aside but it really seems to be that this perspective stems from a hopeless view of humanity. I can't tell you how many people that I met travelling, young people even who can influence change and impact the world for the better with their lives, who said their primary motivation for travel was to see the world before it all went to shit.

To which, of course, I always responded that they were already making their choice not to do better.

As far as I can tell, this is the thought of all these readers too. Fuck the world, it's horrible, humanity can't do better, burn it down, and hopefully something better arises.

But - obviously from me - we should strive for better despite any perceived hopelessness.

Always plan for the worst but hope for the best.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on September 13, 2017, 11:44:57 am
Well, the whole Night King thing is mostly a joke, but one taken from the roots of a real sentiment.  That pretty much all the characters have gotten to the level of being somewhat annoying (on the show).  Honestly, the Night King is refreshing in his steadfastness and lack of nonsense and bullshit.  You know the Night King isn't going to make some outlandish and dumb choice, he is just going to kill you, because he is going to kill every one.

Sure, the "default" is to view the Starks as a force of "good" but that ends up a little problematic, as Anna Smith Spark explains it (https://michael-everest.com/2017/07/20/guest-post-anna-smith-spark-on-heroes-heroism/).  It's interesting, in the face of a lack of appealing options, seems I am not alone in defaulting to nihilism.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on September 13, 2017, 06:00:49 pm
Thanks for that link, H. I'd seen it on facebook but hadn't gotten around to reading it... or so many, many other things in my life right now.

I've always simply seen it as if we don't fight for some kind of philosophic ideal of humanity's betterment simply because we find reasons not to try, then we can't say for certain that doing better isn't possible.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 13, 2017, 08:33:16 pm
Well, the whole Night King thing is mostly a joke, but one taken from the roots of a real sentiment.  That pretty much all the characters have gotten to the level of being somewhat annoying (on the show).  Honestly, the Night King is refreshing in his steadfastness and lack of nonsense and bullshit.  You know the Night King isn't going to make some outlandish and dumb choice, he is just going to kill you, because he is going to kill every one.

Sure, the "default" is to view the Starks as a force of "good" but that ends up a little problematic, as Anna Smith Spark explains it (https://michael-everest.com/2017/07/20/guest-post-anna-smith-spark-on-heroes-heroism/).  It's interesting, in the face of a lack of appealing options, seems I am not alone in defaulting to nihilism.

I have exactly the same reasons to desire the victory of the good Night King.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on September 14, 2017, 11:01:38 am
Thanks for that link, H. I'd seen it on facebook but hadn't gotten around to reading it... or so many, many other things in my life right now.

I've always simply seen it as if we don't fight for some kind of philosophic ideal of humanity's betterment simply because we find reasons not to try, then we can't say for certain that doing better isn't possible.

Well, if I understand what you are saying, I think that "rooting" for the Night King isn't about abandoning the ideal of ideals of humanity, it's kind of just the opposite.  We want the humans to be better, but simply, the characters in the show just aren't.  And as the seasons have gone on, they have become less dimensional.  We just want it to end.

Thing is, if it were real life, of course we wouldn't even jokingly pull for the Night King.  But it's not real life.  We want a meaningful ending, where the stupidity of the characters is rewarded with a cold and deserved death.  What we are going to get is probably some pastiche, cliche, happy ending though.  We can hope though for some sort of middle ground, but I don't know what that would be.
Title: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Woden on September 14, 2017, 04:09:28 pm
I am always a defender of lost causes and sadly the Night King is not going to win. And we will have to suffer some dumb Starkgaryen moralfag on the Iron Throne.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Madness on September 14, 2017, 04:30:30 pm
Well, if I understand what you are saying, I think that "rooting" for the Night King isn't about abandoning the ideal of ideals of humanity, it's kind of just the opposite.  We want the humans to be better, but simply, the characters in the show just aren't.  And as the seasons have gone on, they have become less dimensional.  We just want it to end.

Obviously, I'm just taking it too far ;). But I think you got it. That's the sentiment in the last sentence. I've met so many people who think we should just end.

Thing is, if it were real life, of course we wouldn't even jokingly pull for the Night King.  But it's not real life.  We want a meaningful ending, where the stupidity of the characters is rewarded with a cold and deserved death.  What we are going to get is probably some pastiche, cliche, happy ending though.  We can hope though for some sort of middle ground, but I don't know what that would be.

Well, that's the thing I've always been fixated on in my own writing - when I ever do so. All writing is anachronistic and thus contemporary of when read (not necessarily of when written, though that certainly as well), much as all writers might wish to be immortalized.

I am always a defender of lost causes and sadly the Night King is not going to win. And we will have to suffer some dumb Starkgaryen moralfag in the Iron Throne.

Lol, maybe. I've wondered about what Martin's readerly catharsis will look like almost as much as Bakker's since Martin is so embedded in popular culture at this point and has served as impetus for a lot of this grimdark hokum (though, strictly TV watchers aren't going to give a shit how the books end).
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on September 15, 2017, 11:46:59 am
Well, if I understand what you are saying, I think that "rooting" for the Night King isn't about abandoning the ideal of ideals of humanity, it's kind of just the opposite.  We want the humans to be better, but simply, the characters in the show just aren't.  And as the seasons have gone on, they have become less dimensional.  We just want it to end.

Obviously, I'm just taking it too far ;). But I think you got it. That's the sentiment in the last sentence. I've met so many people who think we should just end.

It's kind of a microcosm of life: tending to drag on longer than really ideal.

Thing is, if it were real life, of course we wouldn't even jokingly pull for the Night King.  But it's not real life.  We want a meaningful ending, where the stupidity of the characters is rewarded with a cold and deserved death.  What we are going to get is probably some pastiche, cliche, happy ending though.  We can hope though for some sort of middle ground, but I don't know what that would be.

Well, that's the thing I've always been fixated on in my own writing - when I ever do so. All writing is anachronistic and thus contemporary of when read (not necessarily of when written, though that certainly as well), much as all writers might wish to be immortalized.

Yeah, while the happy ending is psychologically pleasing, I think it's the same way in which a tub of ice cream is dietarily pleasing.  It's what we like, so it's what we desire, but that isn't really what enriches us.  The psychological "food" that enriches us is also probably the least desirable.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: TaoHorror on August 17, 2018, 05:16:12 pm
I love GoT the tv show, big time. I was rooting for dragon lady, but now rooting for the Starks and the White Walkers. Why? As shallow as it is, I love the evil in cinema/television. Why I love The Consult so much! For whatever deep ( or shallow? ) psychological reason, I very much enjoy dramatic horror in art, but hate it in real life. Maybe stories about the every day don't do it for me because I'm living that story, don't need any reminders. And the deep dive into what makes evil evil is fascinating - and to pull it off, got to put myself into their shoes. Arya is my hero, she is one bad mother fucker, love it! And beautifully done, so much better than Wonder Woman did in presenting a female heroine bad-ass ( Wonder woman has super powers, or at least enhanced to earth humans ... while Arya is a plausible path for a woman to rise to best any male ( well, there is the fantastic in GoT, but hoping you get my meaning - it didn't take super powers for her to rise ).

I think the ending is either one or both the bastard/dragon woman dies with the White Walkers annihilating the North and Arya assassinates Cercei and take her place ... maybe taking her look so no one is the wiser, or maybe not if her own people are hunting for her neck by that point.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Francis Buck on September 25, 2018, 01:17:34 pm
Yeah I mean, after the nosedive the writing took from S4 to S5 (4 was the best season overall IMO, 5 the worst), I found S6 and S7 to be fine. It's definitely not as solid as seasons 1-4, especially in terms of dialogue and writing, but there are still some great moments (and a few brilliant ones), and the spectacle is unmatched. Probably more than anything, S6 and S7 are better simply for marking the point of FINALLY seeing this story move into the endgame territory, particularly if you're a fan of the books from before the show started.

I've also been invested in these characters for so long that the well-done cathartic and/or heartfelt moments play me like a fiddle. Even the less amazing actors on the show work for me at this point, it's a bit like Star Wars. Like, Emilia Clarke and Kit Harrington don't always knock it out of the park, but they've just "become" Danaerys and Jon Snow for me at this point (same is true of many other characters).

I've mentioned it before but no episode of television or even cinema has ever hit me as hard as Battle of the Bastards. The combo of my still-genuine investment in the Starks and wanting to see them finally reunite and kick some ass combined with the catharsis of it actually happening (and in pretty epic fashion) was like nothing else for me. Literally the only other thing that could have drawn such a strong feeling from me was, ironically, Star Wars, but TLJ was a such a letdown that it made me lose interest in the franchise in a way I didn't think was possible.

So yeah, I'm all aboard for the climax of GoT. As long is the writing doesn't get S5 levels of bad, the spectacle and catharsis of seeing this series come to a conclusion will be enough for me.

Mark my words, we will miss this show when it's over. It's far from perfect but good cinematic epic fantasy is incredibly hard to pull off and I doubt we'll see something on this level again for a long time.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: TaoHorror on September 25, 2018, 01:47:21 pm
Mark my words, we will miss this show when it's over. It's far from perfect but good cinematic epic fantasy is incredibly hard to pull off and I doubt we'll see something on this level again for a long time.

Exactly - why we need PON to fill the void.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on September 25, 2018, 03:25:51 pm
I don't know, season 7 kind of jumped the shark for me.  I realize that is personal bias, but there being all kinds of travel-time issues in previous seasons to suddenly everyone just suddenly arrives where ever they "need" to be near instantly really took me out of the show.  I understand the need for it to serve the narrative, but it was just extremely jarring to me.

I do really like that things are actually happening though, it bothers me when the narrative just seems to spin in place.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: themerchant on September 26, 2018, 07:53:16 am
Well, the whole Night King thing is mostly a joke, but one taken from the roots of a real sentiment.  That pretty much all the characters have gotten to the level of being somewhat annoying (on the show).  Honestly, the Night King is refreshing in his steadfastness and lack of nonsense and bullshit.  You know the Night King isn't going to make some outlandish and dumb choice, he is just going to kill you, because he is going to kill every one.

Sure, the "default" is to view the Starks as a force of "good" but that ends up a little problematic, as Anna Smith Spark explains it (https://michael-everest.com/2017/07/20/guest-post-anna-smith-spark-on-heroes-heroism/).  It's interesting, in the face of a lack of appealing options, seems I am not alone in defaulting to nihilism.

Just read this. Anyone read her novel The court of broken knives?
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on September 26, 2018, 11:56:03 am
Just read this. Anyone read her novel The court of broken knives?

I know MSJ did and really liked it.  I personally couldn't find my way into the prose.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: TaoHorror on September 26, 2018, 01:13:00 pm
I don't know, season 7 kind of jumped the shark for me.  I realize that is personal bias, but there being all kinds of travel-time issues in previous seasons to suddenly everyone just suddenly arrives where ever they "need" to be near instantly really took me out of the show.  I understand the need for it to serve the narrative, but it was just extremely jarring to me.

I do really like that things are actually happening though, it bothers me when the narrative just seems to spin in place.

Well, you're right, but they're ending the show and no longer have the luxury of no-end-in-sight approach and that means people have to scurry along so they can end it. I don't think this would have happened if the show wasn't ending soon.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: H on September 26, 2018, 01:50:31 pm
Well, you're right, but they're ending the show and no longer have the luxury of no-end-in-sight approach and that means people have to scurry along so they can end it. I don't think this would have happened if the show wasn't ending soon.

Right, I mean, I understand the practicalities of filming, but it undermines the continuity and is detrimental to the narrative.  It isn't as if the problem is intractable.  It just points to poor set-up and poor planning.  Show is still somewhat interesting and watchable, but it suffers these things.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: Wilshire on October 05, 2018, 05:57:05 pm
Just read this. Anyone read her novel The court of broken knives?

I know MSJ did and really liked it.  I personally couldn't find my way into the prose.

Answers question from September:
I found the prose really strange but very enjoyable, however the story itself was fairly average IMO. For that reason I'd say the book(s) aren't worth reading if you don't like the prose. Worth checking out - read the first handful of pages and you'll know if you like it or not.
Title: Re: [TV Spoilers] Game of Thrones (S7)
Post by: TheCulminatingApe on October 05, 2018, 06:15:48 pm
Just read this. Anyone read her novel The court of broken knives?

I know MSJ did and really liked it.  I personally couldn't find my way into the prose.

Answers question from September:
I found the prose really strange but very enjoyable, however the story itself was fairly average IMO. For that reason I'd say the book(s) aren't worth reading if you don't like the prose. Worth checking out - read the first handful of pages and you'll know if you like it or not.

That's pretty much what I thought as well.