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The Crabikiad / Re: Crabby Fails
« on: July 21, 2019, 12:09:50 pm »
Wb, Cuttlefish. Love the posts.

Two thoughts.

I think Sorweel would've succeeded exactly as he saw it with Serwa killing him. Bakker did tell me "all bets are off" when he handed me the draft for TUC and I legit read that portion thinking it was real the first time.

Secondly, Kellhus arguably actually enacts his visions of Moenghus' takeover. The Ordeal *is* led to "salt and butchery," even though I would argue Kellhus did have "noble" intentions [and didn't manufacture the Ordeal's various crises]. Paved roads to hell and all that ;).

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Heron Spear?
« on: June 10, 2019, 06:17:39 pm »
And then the cunny-loving dragon asserts that he devoured Emilidis. Who, additionally, "was cunny", whatever that's supposed to mean.

I never really did get the fan frustration with this. I doubt very much Bakker has spent any time on 4chan or its siblings variants.

Otherwise, there's a glossary entry or an interaction with Sorweel or Oinaral or some such that suggests Emilidis might just be MIA in the world.

Yeah the Nonmen in general were not to keen on Aporostic(?) practices.

Which I'm still interested in given Mimara's "miracle" against the Wight (I also really don't understand why people seem to think Mimara's first Chorae was "special"). I thought it pretty evident that she would see all Chorae as such with the Eye.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Heron Spear?
« on: June 10, 2019, 05:37:04 pm »
Lol, dragged me in momentarily.

After TUC and the Expanded Glossary, the evidence suggests that Emilidis is missing or dead and he was trying obsessively to create a Markless/Sorcerous Artifact? Also, that he was exocommunicated from a Mansion at some point for his work? (The latter assertion I'm less sure about.)

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I think the level of incompetence, or else the genius of that product placement, is egregious on a good many people's parts. Especially the actors and actresses... really didn't notice?

EDIT: I haven't watched yet and, as I said, I'll probably binge it when it's done but they've really pissed on GRRM's work as far as I can tell - again the actors and actresses: you *really* didn't notice the dive in your scripts?

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World-Soul and Kahiht (sp?) have some obvious one-to-one relationships to Hegel.

Drive-by interjection ;).

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General Misc. / Jordan Harbinger Podcast
« on: April 18, 2019, 02:08:01 pm »
I'm surprised I haven't shared any links from this show.

Anyhow, this is one certain to appeal in different ways to Bakker fans:

- Beau Lotto - Why You See Differently When You Deviate

Much to wrestle with. I wish I had written down my thoughts when I first listened to it because I had a handful of quibbles.

Also, now that I think of it, I thought I had posted this one before but if not:

- David Eagleman - How Your Brain Makes Sense of the World (also have quibbles with this but you know me - the quibbler.)

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General Misc. / Re: Board Games and Miniatures
« on: April 13, 2019, 12:21:16 pm »
Very nice, H. Kids thought it was neat too.

I always liked the story behind the Necrons.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: April 13, 2019, 12:16:46 pm »
Generally speaking, I think most of everything Bakker has ever said is either purposefully misleading (recent stuff in the last few years), or unaware of the specifics (older info from way back) which is now irrelevant or largely misleading. Regarding Serwe, whatever she was supposed to be, I think it was intended to be very clear by now. Thus, I think Serwe's whole thing was being the sympathetic catalyst which ends up uniting all of humanity against the consult. Yes, that's mundane and uninteresting, but I think that's all there is too it - things aren't always as complicated as we make them out to be.

Keep in mind his Serwe comments were largely as a rebuttal to the online stuff happening surrounding him at the time. I think Bakker has shown time and again a pretty extreme misunderstanding of the people he's talking to or trying to reach out too, and most probably (imo) the serwe comment was worded very poorly to begin with and is now taken out of context in the Earwa online noosphere.

Cue FB's Earwa's Original Sin commentary. Though, I personally think "something something pure ignorance" is more her narrative antecedent and I've always liked that "the reader has Serwe in their hands and Kellhus in their heads" (badly paraphrased) quote, as per those aforementioned out of text contemporary commentaries.

@Wilshire - i agree w/your comments re: Bakker. At this point i find him to be an intentionally undependable narrator of his own story in a lot of ways. Im sure he would tell me that my loss of faith in him would be his goal and that i am now better off.

Ill buy whatever, if anything, comes next but im much more neutral towards the author and thus the work.

Nice to see you around again, Rots. It would be nice to communicate in The Agora sometime, given my lack of time to post in the past two years :( (though, I'm working on it).

@Wilshire - i agree w/your comments re: Bakker. At this point i find him to be an intentionally undependable narrator of his own story in a lot of ways. Im sure he would tell me that my loss of faith in him would be his goal and that i am now better off.

Ill buy whatever, if anything, comes next but im much more neutral towards the author and thus the work.
This really resonates with me, Rots. Similarly, I no longer completely trust Bakker as a story-teller, and, as you note, that's probably the position in which he wants to place his readers. It's a very modern, or perhaps even a modernist approach to fiction.

He claims to have avoided the postmodernist pitfalls a la Gene Wolfe, BFK, but I'm never sure.

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General Earwa / Re: Inri Sejenus
« on: April 12, 2019, 05:17:45 pm »
Not false.

In-text Inrithism believes Sejenus ascended to the Nail from the Juterum (sp?) in Shimeh while, I believe, TTT Glossary suggests that he actually ascended somewhere in ruined Kyudea. Neither debate the ascension.

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Whah whah. Editing on mobile is inconceivable.

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Cagey. Lol.

Kellhus wasn't a part of the mass TTT/TUC Ciphrang summoning, right?

There a number of bullet points to discern there aren't there. This might collapse the answers as to whether Kellhus or a Nonman Quya could summon one of the names Hundred (and I am one of the rare assholes who can leak things but I am of FB's opinion that The Carathayan short opens up a lot of the world regarding TNG and Kellhus' "dead but not done" status.

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I do believe there is a ZTS quote (badly paraphrashing) that suggests that Nonmen experimented with harnessing 'agencies' with the Gnosis but then said "better not."

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General Misc. / Re: AOM Podcast
« on: April 03, 2019, 11:41:07 am »
Wow, I forgot to post the other one which I think is a must listen (if not a must read, as per the book in question) for Bakker fans:

- Why Visiting Dark Places Is Good for the Soul

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General Misc. / Re: InspiroBot
« on: April 01, 2019, 03:37:57 pm »
That's cool.

Also, Tao, that's a quality offering from InspiroBot.

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General Earwa / Re: Inri Sejenus
« on: April 01, 2019, 03:33:33 pm »
They were still openly sparring with Mangaecca (which actually doesn't seem possible as our understanding of the Consult progressed over the books) like 300 years before 41xx or whatever year it is the books start (as per a random thought by Achamian in TDTCB) - edit: I based much of my first fan fiction on that exact paragraph with some assists from ZTS comments by Bakker.

I believe Inri Sejenus is born five years after the 11 Years of the Crib (the No-God's first advent).

Always been interesting thoughts about Sejenus. You'd imagine that any religion or philosophy of Earwa would have to engage and digest the fact that some kind of thing stopped birth for 11 years and that the clergy of the time felt that the Gods had abandoned Humankind. Something something the Gods punished us for our transgressions with the Apocalypse, etc, etc.

You have to imagine that the Kiunniat (sp?) tradition was ripe for reinterpretation whether there's something nefarious about Sejenus or not.


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