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Been having the riff at 2:19 of this song (Grand Belial's Key - On a Mule Rides the Swindler) playing in my head for a while now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRlFdgJKg24&t=2m19s&bpctr=1531735197

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Subject and Object Ruminations
« on: July 10, 2018, 04:41:43 pm »
Love those math analogies.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: July 07, 2018, 12:18:09 am »
Bakker is all about crash space, what happens when anthropogenic subroutines crash, while Blindsight asks "what if consciousness is a dead end?".

OK, I think that I might be getting this: "Crash space" is a metaphor from computer slang, and an "anthropogenic subroutine"  is a metaphor from computer science. The metaphors align human consciousness with computer programming.

Am I warm?
I have no idea where Bakker got these terms from (I think anthropogenic subroutine was said by him in a stuff to blow your mind interview, but I might be misremembering his exact term). I think the best example Bakker gave was how human light sources cause moths to flicker into them because they crash their lunar navigational system or something.

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Philosophy & Science / Axolotl genome sequenced
« on: July 07, 2018, 12:15:43 am »

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: July 04, 2018, 02:04:27 pm »
At some point you're either just consuming fiction, or you're doing scientific research.
Pretty much this. TSA is straddling the line, while Blindsight is firmly in the realm of fiction. And I'm not sure the line should exist. Why censor ourselves?
Wut.
Also, even though they overlap thematically, they're still quite different series. Bakker is all about crash space, what happens when anthropogenic subroutines crash, while Blindsight asks "what if consciousness is a dead end?".

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Literature / Re: YOU MUST TELL ME ... What else are you reading?
« on: June 18, 2018, 07:23:24 pm »
Just finished Hotshot, one of Peter Watts short stories set in the Sunflower Cycle universe.
Fucking amazing, somewhat of a twist near the ending too http://rifters.com/real/shorts/PeterWatts_Hotshot.pdf

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General Earwa / Re: (srancpost) opinions on racism
« on: June 14, 2018, 11:23:57 pm »
I get what you're saying and I agree that it's really nice to have ethnic and cultural diversities in the books (along with all the clashes and prejudices that come with them), but I think incorporating identity politics into the marketing of the books would be (one of) the last things Bakker would ever want, haha.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Serwa seen with the Judging Eye
« on: June 14, 2018, 11:09:31 pm »
Could be clues on the "equation" of salvation/damnation can be learned from the Mimarra/Koringhus exchange. He's damned in the eye and then after a time, he's not. What did he do to "earn" salvation back? He refrained from murdering her. And she forgave him. Was it the change in direction or lack of the act that saved him, both or neither? Does Mimarra ( the Eye? ) have the ability to save people? Questions ...
His realization that humanity, ignorance etc. is Holy and his leap of faith.
So when he grasps that understanding, he's saved, is what your saying - you can't force yourself to become ignorant, not that fast at least.
Not so much his understanding itself, but more his acceptance of what had to be done.

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I've been obsessed with this album for a while now. Apparently it's too obscure to get uploaded to pirate blogs so I had to order it off amazon.co.jp across half the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb_X9bzMECg
The guitarist is a genius at writing catchy lines.  Always get a hard-on at the solo-ish part at 2:17 and the "climax" at 4:04

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Right, I forgot that the Eye was explicitly mentioned to be open in that part.

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Well, yes, still we have no idea how common it is to have the Judging Eye.  And, even so, Mimara is "different" in that we are related the idea that all women who have the Eye fail to birth live children, yet Mimara does.
Actually, it was specifically phrased as something like "always birth dead children". Which she did. The fact that she had twins, one of who wasn't stillborn, doesn't negate the stated and fulfilled condition for having the Eye.

We also don't know if others who have had the Eye were in the same boat as Mimara, having always had it even before being pregnant.
There is no indication of it not being so.
Keep in mind the Judging Eye could also be short-circuited by the No-God. I feel this is very deliberate on Bakker's side.

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General Earwa / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Esmenet and the JE
« on: June 09, 2018, 12:13:46 am »
This thread really made me wonder if being taken in by one of the Gods after death qualifies as "saved" for the Judging Eye.
Saved, no doubt. It's a human subroutine, recall. You'll spend eternity in your Mother's warm arms etc.

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General Earwa / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Esmenet and the JE
« on: June 06, 2018, 12:07:29 am »
Here's the passage from TGO where Koringhus defined the Cubit, or rather what made the Cubit approve. If its not a tee-total definition of Serwe, I dont know what is. You can go before and after this passage and see once he deduced this, then the Cubit (Eye) approved of him.

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And so it was with the Absolute. Surrender. Forfeiture. Loss … At last he understood what made these things holy. Loss was advantage. Blindness was insight, revelation. At last he could see it—the sideways step that gave lie to Logos.
Zero. Zero made One.
Beautiful chapter really. Loss is holy.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: "An Inverse Piano??"
« on: June 04, 2018, 10:03:17 pm »
Nice find. Love the part about gene therapy.

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General Earwa / Re: [TUC Spoiler] Esmenet and the JE
« on: June 04, 2018, 09:53:33 pm »
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I need to give this more though and to look more into in along the reread, but the Cubit really does care about ignorance as a key tenant.  I believe, if I remember correctly, that Kellhus purposely keeps Esmenet ignorant of a number of things to protect her.  And he was right to do so.

Also, I'm not sure that Yatwer's favor, or disfavor, can transgress The Cubit.

To the bold, you're correct. We see throughout the series several times that ignorance is holy. But, the real proof lie in what Koringhus tells us right before his leap.
I believe there is a Bakker quote somewhere that says something along the lines of "Serwe is a cipher for the morality of the series." At the time, I took it to mean that Serwe was right about Kellhus being a prophet, but in light of recent revelations, it would make more sense that he was referring to her innocence and ignorance. I wonder what mimara would see if she saw Serwe with TJE

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I'm inclined to believe she would see what Kellhus told Proyas. Damnation.

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