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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 31, 2017, 03:18:25 am »
1. TUC imo = Fantastic work Scott, bravo.

So your enthusiasm\talk with the author was a lie?
Haha, no.

Bakker's ambiguity makes me want to discuss his stuff. The problem is my inability to effectively communicate with others.

Ergo, I should avoid his work in order to avoid my reaction in order to avoid these situations.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 31, 2017, 02:17:47 am »
Nah, I have been getting way too much cognitive dissonance from trying to understand various perspectives here, with the resulting frustration leading me to make obnoxious posts as above.

Bakker's deliberately ambiguous style is probably as much to blame as my own stupidity for my difficulties, but that's whatever.

I don't feel as though I'm  adding any value to the discussions here, so I'm out.

Sorry for the thread derail, should've kept my mouth shut and left graciously.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 30, 2017, 10:55:48 pm »
Please excuse my incredulous sarcasm in my previous post. It's become rather clear to me that my interpretation of these books so often runs against consensus that I must be deluding myself as to what I am reading.

I think it's best if I just stay out of these discussions and avoid Bakker's work entirely in future.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 30, 2017, 09:46:00 pm »
Yep, just wandered in through the endless tunnels, caught the elevator up 100 floors (pausing to kill his sister in the midst of combat ofc), straight to the golden room where a skin spy receptionist says, "The Consult are I'm a meeting, you'll have to wait." But no, just use eye beams to disintergrate that, waltz in and cause havoc. Mutilated are all like "wtf, skin spy 10056, you could have let us know. Lol, nvm, this is how conditioned ground works of course Lolol. 12D benjuka, Winning!"

All clear to me now, thanks.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 30, 2017, 08:19:23 pm »
You really think the Mutilated let an Anasûrimbor (even an eight year old one) run around the heart of the Ark doing whatever he wants? Wow.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 30, 2017, 05:10:46 am »
No, that is simply your opinion, which you are entitled to. I am also permitted to share mine. Thank you.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 30, 2017, 04:07:52 am »
“See!” the child gurgled, squealing for preposterous joy. “I told you! I told you! They can’t see me! The Gods! The Gods can’t see me!”

Kelmomas has clearly been interviewed by the Mutilated extensively and held back for this eventuality.

Fwiw, I interpret the 'oar' as the horde controlled by Mog also. They power and steer the Apocalypse as the no-god's tool and here are used to spank the Ordeal. There is no need for Bakker to invent yet another term for Tsuramah, but there is a need to differentiate the Horde from the Oar as a controlled swarm of sranc.

Also, the Boding is clearly a contraction of 'foreboding' referring to the directional existential dread projected from the Black Heaven.

The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 09:44:40 am »
Hail Fëanor.

My thought is simply that they did not want to activate the Object until Kellhus was dealt with, one way or another.

The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« on: August 27, 2017, 12:32:09 am »
There is a part when he stands against the Nansur where he looks like he is aspected by Gilgaol, iirc. Possession is really stretching it imo.

I'm kinda with you on this, Duskweaver. Kellhus' flashback includes a bit where the boss Ciphrang eats a baby. A baby... in hell. Um,  how does a fucking baby get itself damned?

Maybe the outside is primarily where memories go and ideally they are stripped from souls, removing identity on the way to oblivion or reincarnation?

It kind of makes sense if the idea that souls are tiny fragments of the True God through which he experiences Its creation is true - otherwise It is slowly damning itself across eternity, no?

Idk, probably getting a bit too into these ideas without any real point to make. Pure speculation, but it certainly is an intriguing line of thought.

As for the Consult being justified on utilitarian grounds, I'm totally opposed primarily because I think they are wrong about their ends and their means are indefensible.

The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Music for TUC
« on: August 26, 2017, 06:06:40 am »
Pallbearer; Sorrow and Extinction.

The grinding riffs and lyrics meshed so well with TUC.

Also, now that I think about it, Sorweel didn't really do anything that would damn him that I can think of. Seemed like a really decent fellow aside from his teen angst.

We assume almost everyone is damned, but we are only introduced to pretty scummy characters for the most part.

Indeed Sausuna. I was referring to the lack of particulars we get. When Mimara looks at Galian she sees why he is damned and his fate in the outside and we share that knowledge. With Esme we just get the bald fact that she is not damned.

I wonder how Yatwer rationalized the failure of the white luck. Maybe she decides that she was really doing something else... or perhaps she blames Ajokli.

 Even more strange that she takes Sorweel after he fails, isn't it? Or maybe he is saved because his real mother intervenes, as per Kinuit tradition.

Yeah I agree with that, H. But ... redemption has always been associated with the Hundred as a type of intervention by in world sources prior to Mimara, and ciphrang certainly seem to prey on those damned and otherwise forsaken by the Gods - which makes Duskweaver's speculation interesting to me. Especially in the case of Esme.

 Iirc, Mimara sees the fate of the scalpers as playthings of ciphrang but she doesn't give any such hints with Esme.

interesting idea, but didn't the WLW remember killing Esmenet though?

I feel like the Gods get much their knowledge of Earwa from their worshippers' memories/souls. Storks et al do recon but do not impart any meaning.

The first apocalypse was probably like a flash of white noise to them, I think.

Somewhere Sranc are described as "lies made flesh", which is also pretty interesting and perhaps pertinent.

 The WLW sections are revealing in that they describe him doing stuff as though remembering and only focus on specific moments that have great importance to Yatwer. I.e. he moves between moments of giving to the places he needs to be to enact Her will.

I'm not sure that the Hundred have anything to do with Mimara's salvation, and I'm fairly convinced they aren't the source of the Judgement that damns people. Rather, I think their intercession is opportunistic, but I concede that is mostly a hunch rather than for reasons I can properly articulate.

Edit; another interesting thing is that Psatma says only Yatwer and Gilgaol can forcibly take souls rather than just catching those who reach for them when they die. Something Sorweel's fate seems to demonstrate after he decides that the Ordeal is for realzies.

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