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Great post and welcome to the forum.  I think that it isn't just a lack of POV from Kellhus, but also the fact that he is clearly, head-and-shoulders above anyone else in power-level.  What we couldn't really know is how that power-level compared directly to a god.  Of course we are left to assume that Kellhus has the answers, because we see him have them, until we see him not.

I do think the "spiritually weak" quote is a bit overblown though.  I don't think Kellhus soul is particularly weak, in so far as it is just as mundane as anyone else's.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: February 19, 2018, 12:00:13 pm »
Well, the Glossary "head swapping" incident sure seems like a tantalizing clue, but we really don't know what it means, if anything.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: February 16, 2018, 04:35:28 pm »
Exactly, my "niche" theory you've seen me tout. That the tree and the priest is actually his self, a place he cannot be touched. Think about it, it has no resemblance to the descriptions of the Outside we get in TGO.

Right, highly plausible.  Also consider things such as the Head-on-a-Pole, which, my own pet theory would "predict" only protects him being alive, but speaks to the fact that Kellhus (at least) was able to "inhabit" the Outside in a different way than anyone else we know of, or at least not be subject to it in the same way.  So, considering he managed to at least learn a great deal of the Daimos, if not Master it, means that he must know the peril of his soul and so him having some kind of contingency plan in place is plausible.

There, of course, is the Moe the Elder arguement, that Kellhus could not plan for everything, and planning for failure is a waste, because you've already failed at that point, but I think Bakker's comment that Kellhus "isn't done" belies that as implausible.  Kellhus was definitely not perfect, but I think he was iteratively better than Moe.  There were just things he couldn't know and couldn't know he didn't know.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: February 16, 2018, 03:42:12 pm »
I think it is highly plausible that Kellhus soul is simply too "strong" to simply be devoured by a ciphrang, captured by one of the 100, and certainly not balanced enough to find Oblivion.  So, he is probably there, somewhere, in the Outside now, doing who the hell knows what.  I'd think that's what "dead but not done" would mean to me.

General Misc. / Re: SA Chats
« on: February 15, 2018, 06:21:12 pm »
Original post in this thread was Feburary 1st, 2017 ;) .

It's just that time of year...

The Unholy Consult / Re: How tall are the Horns?
« on: February 14, 2018, 02:38:38 pm »
I see what you are saying.  I think in the long run, it's possible, but probably not really overall worth the effort it would require.

It's quicker to just dupe a bunch of people into killing the ones you don't agree with or are in your way.

Literature / Re: 50 Years of Met Publications Free!
« on: February 14, 2018, 12:52:34 pm »
Neat, certainly the price I like to pay.

The Unholy Consult / Re: How tall are the Horns?
« on: February 14, 2018, 12:46:19 pm »
So a Chorae does not protect against a Cant of Compulsion?
It most certainly would if one was wearing it. But the effects, once completed, aren't entirely magical as far as I can tell. The person cannot distinguish between what they did themselves, and what they were compelled to do, even after a chorae is touched. It feels the same (think The Argument), so whether its love, or anger, or whatever else, the effects of the actions and feelings can be more/less permanent. And that's just with an average schoolman casting your run-of-the-mill Compulsions.

Right, I mean, if one owns a Chorae, it seems stupendously silly to not wear it all the time, otherwise, what use is it even, really?

But I don't think we really disagree, a CoC can create a "root kit" in someone's mind for later use, I just don't think it'd be too effective versus any smart, diligent person with a Chorae who doesn't specifically act remiss in protecting themselves.

The Unholy Consult / Re: How tall are the Horns?
« on: February 13, 2018, 02:58:11 pm »
So a Chorae does not protect against a Cant of Compulsion?

The Unholy Consult / Re: How tall are the Horns?
« on: February 13, 2018, 12:06:29 pm »
I imagine Kellhus could inspire some truly spectacular scenes in the minds eye if he layered his regular speech with compulsions. He'd only need the briefest of seconds to do this, and he could simply ask anyone he intends to cast on to put down their chorae.

Wouldn't the chorae protect them from the cant?

It should.  I thought Wilshire meant to sort of put in a "root kit" of sorts via Compulsion that could then be opened by regular means even if they had a Chorae, but now I see he probably didn't, so I am not so sure what we are really discussing...

General Misc. / Re: Board Games and Miniatures
« on: February 12, 2018, 11:18:52 am »
Here's my obliterator, pic a bit blurry

Nice!  I have several of those that "were" built.  They weren't painted though and over time (and a couple moves) the little weapon bits have broken off...

Literature / Re: YOU MUST TELL ME ... What else are you reading?
« on: February 07, 2018, 09:02:43 pm »
I need to stop reading when I am tired, because I have almost no recollection at all of both Blidsight and Echopraxia at all...

Philosophy & Science / Re: What do you believe? (Redux)
« on: February 05, 2018, 09:00:29 pm »
I think everyone should listen to, or watch, this lecture, even if you aren't religious, or if you are:

Introduction to the Idea of God

A very short synopsis: a psychological look at the Bible.  Seriously though, even if you are not at all spiritual, this is a must hear.  My own views would be pretty much in line, no doubt because I, like Peterson, studied clinical psychology, read Jung and so on.  Still, bias aside, it's a very astute analysis.

General Misc. / Re: Super Bowl 2018: The Contest!
« on: February 05, 2018, 11:36:01 am »
Oops, forgot to post a prediction...oh well, just glad the Patriots lost...

Quote from:  H
Well, it doesn't have to be the case that Kellhus actively duped him.  Ajokli could have simply just figured Kellhus soul would be his post-possession.  When that didn't happen, probably because Kellhus had his soul tethered to something or other, Ajokli simply was pissed things didn't go his way.  Kellhus, not really knowing how deep the Ajokli-taint ran, probably didn't actively plan to dupe him, rather just stave off damnation in the event things went bad, like Wilshire said.

Why is one more likely than the other? In was simply pointing out that Ajokli didn't get what he wanted neither. We don't know if there was a pact. We don't know anything. What makes my statement or the other anymore plausible?

Well, considering what Bakker said, that Kellhus didn't actually know about the level of Ajokli-possession that was taking place, it would seem improbable that he was actively planning against just such a thing.  Not impossible, but just not very likely.  Given that, he was probably planning against just a plain-old-fashion death he might face though, which just so happened to be very useful in what actually did happen.

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