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The No-God / Re: TNG- Your expectations and wants
« on: May 21, 2018, 08:19:05 pm »
But how does Mimara become a Christ figure when the God is blinded? I interpret the scene where she lets go of her chorae as her abandoning her destiny as a prophetess. I still think she's going to be important, but she's no longer "backed" by divine grace.
Two different ways could mean two different ways humans cope with existence in a meaningless world. We have baseline humans and then we have the meaningfully-truncated Dûnyain.

Well, one thing is that Mimara is not a 1:1 map of Christ, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that Mimara's ability, that is The Judging Eye itself, is not divine, per se, but is actually proto-divine, if I understand it correctly.  That is, if we can believe what Koringhus tells us (very debatable) the source of the Eye (and so of Judgement) is the Cubit, to which god, the gods, or even The God of Gods is still subject.

But I can't pretend that I know, factually, that Mimara's Eye will work with the advent of the No-God.  My hunch is that the Cubit, being the firmament of everything, does still work.  I have no way to prove or disprove that though.  In the absence of a negative, which I don't think it plausible in the "line" that Koringhus presents us, the continuum is the Cubit at Zero, the Hundred at 1/100, and I presume the Solitary God, or the God of Gods, would be One.  As such, there is no subtraction that puts us at less than Zero.  In fact, Zero might well be a firmament of the No-God itself, but I can't actually articulate in words my thoughts on that right now.

If any of that word salad makes sense, I'm not sure...

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The No-God / Re: TNG- Your expectations and wants
« on: May 21, 2018, 11:20:41 am »
Well, Bakker has said something to the effect of "there are two different ways" the story could go...presumably the split could be either a victory over the No-God, or defeat.  I presume though (plausibly wrongly) the Mimara, as the Christ figure, does in fact actually "save" the world.

Where Kellhus was the "false prophet" of intellect, Mimara is the true prophet of judgement.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB Chapter 6
« on: May 17, 2018, 08:05:40 pm »
Amazing how they took the time to craft a conspiracy to have Cnaiür killed during the battle, but not to, you know, try to think of a better (or at least alternate) battle plan. You'd think at least one or two people in that council would have some more common sense and see Cnaiür had a point about Conphas' plan, no matter how much they hated him, but no.
I blame Bannut, he seems to have been the mastermind behind the whole plot. Not to mention he seems to have orchestrated the whole smear campaign against Cnaiür from the very start (if he was not lying and was indeed the one who started spreading the information that Moënghus and Cnaiür were lovers).

Well, I think the constant victories over the Nansur and the more recent victory versus the Fanim have given them the idea that they simply can't lose, and especially not lose big.  So what if it cost them a bit to get rid of Cnaiür, because their victory is assured even with some extra losses.  Except, this time is different and they pay dearly for that...

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The No-God / Re: TNG- Your expectations and wants
« on: May 16, 2018, 05:49:58 pm »
I very much think it is, and you describe it in a fairly concise way. I just don't see why there needs to be a resolution to those things in themselves. They are self-sufficient.

True, there doesn't have to be, but we are here wondering where TNG goes.  We can presume, rightly or wrongly, that the No-God is eventually defeated and so I imagine how that might be.  Of course that might not be the case.

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The No-God / Re: TNG- Your expectations and wants
« on: May 16, 2018, 05:05:11 pm »
I still think, even thought it did not happen in TUC, that Mimara will answer the No God's question, somehow...
Interesting. I feel that the No-God's question is the main defining trait of its nature and being, thus not needing any kind of answer. The fact that the No-God asks this question in a way it does makes the No-God what it is, also pointing to some possible explanations of its known effects.

The notion that this question might somehow be answered in the series seems very strange to me.

It might also be that Mimara may confront the No-God and not exactly answer his question(s) but address it somehow (don't ask me in what way, though, I'm just starting to speculate here). Maybe related to something she sees/saw with the Judging Eye?

It's sort of a resolution of a paradox.  But it's also Mimara enforcing the Cubit's frame.  Or, if you like, the Cubit enforcing The Frame through Mimara.  The point being, of course, that the No-God only exists because it's state is "impossible" in the sense, that Bakker calls a p-zombie, of contradiction.  The No-God begs the question of "what do you see?" because it cannot see and therefor cannot know.  In other words, the No-God is a creature of no perspective, where Mimara is a creature of divine perspective.  I can't help but feel this should be important...

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The No-God / Re: TNG- Your expectations and wants
« on: May 16, 2018, 02:04:59 pm »
Oh, that too, for sure. Even Kellhus, the fake prophet, had his three miracles. We're still missing two from Mimara (at the very least). ;)

Well, it would stand to reason.  Mimara is the true Prophet/Messiah/Savior, as she is the Judge (and so the Christ).  I still think, even thought it did not happen in TUC, that Mimara will answer the No God's question, somehow...

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB Chapter 5
« on: May 10, 2018, 02:17:43 pm »
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He sensed something odd in her manner, something bottled. But then everyone had seemed peculiarly ill at ease in his presence of late—no doubt, Xerius supposed, because they had finally glimpsed the divinity that dwelt within him, now that the two great horns of his plan had been set in motion.

My biggest wonder here is if Istriya had already been replaced.  It is plausible, seemingly even more so, given her (it's?) basically begging Xerius for information.  We just can't really know if the concern for Conphas is genuine, or cover for to get more out of the Emperor.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTDCB Chapter 3
« on: May 10, 2018, 02:05:31 pm »
There is a moment in TWP where Akka is stumbling through camp and he thinks he sees a young Esmenet. I'm of the opinion that who he actually saw was Mimara.

A neat theory, but wouldn't she have been well across the Sea by then?  She also never mentions being a part of the Holy War, unless I am forgetting something.

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General Misc. / Re: Board Games and Miniatures
« on: May 07, 2018, 11:33:33 am »
I had heard about that Kickstarter.  Joined the group for you.

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General Earwa / Re: Tips for starting reread?
« on: May 07, 2018, 11:25:14 am »
I don't think attempting to "forget" what you already know is really going to yeild too much, because I don't think it is really even possible.  Embrace what you now know, I'd say, and look for clues to other things you might have missed the first time.

Keep in mind, we have a reread section and a current group reread in progress.  My aim, this time, is to look for bigger thematic roles of each part and chapter.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / ARC: TDTCB Chapter 5
« on: May 07, 2018, 11:11:02 am »
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The difference between the strong emperor and the weak is simply this: the former makes the world his arena, while the latter makes it his harem.
—CASIDAS, THE ANNALS OF CENEI

Thread for chapter 5, read whenever people get through it.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB Chapter 4
« on: May 07, 2018, 10:56:26 am »
One thing puzzles me: What is it that Inrau means here?
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Monumental rage filled him. It didn't understand! It didn't understand.
What didn't Bird understand?

The lines before:

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“I’m an Old Name,” the tiny face said. “Even wearing this shell, I could show you the Agonies, Mandate fool.”
“Wuh . . .” Inrau swallowed. Sobbed. “Why?”
Again the thin, tiny smile. “You worship suffering. Why do you think?”

Aurang implies that he'd torture him because Inrau would enjoy it.  That as a Mandati, he worships suffering and so that by showing him the Agonies, he is actually doing him a service.  That is, delivering a "holy" experience.

Obviously this enrages Inrau, because even though he isn't a full Mandate sorcerer, he recognizes that while the Mandate share Seswatha's suffering, they don't worship it, which is pretty much exactly why Inrau leaves the Mandate, to worship.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB Chapter 4
« on: May 04, 2018, 02:24:33 pm »
I genuinely have never picked up on this before. :(  Whatever he did find, he gave his life to prevent the Consult getting hold of it.

I think that the general consensus is that there was something he found and he's not just thinking of Maithanet likely not being what he seems. Unless I'm having a "Mandela effect" moment here like DoraVee did in the previous chapter...
He certainly did. :(

There isn't any direct implication that he found anything though...it certainly only seems, by what is said, that he arrives at the Temple and make no mention of having been anywhere else.

I think the "final revelation" is that Maithanet, at the very least, is not quite what he seems, which is devesating to Inrau because he had absolute faith in him.  The thing that the Mandate taught him, that he wishes he could forget, is doubt.  What confuses the scene, of course, is the building up on the possibility of Maithanet's Consult allegiance.  So, the scene is deliberately vague to build the idea that the Consult is behind it all.  That is only ratified by the end of the scene with Aurang attempting to interrogate him.  But, we know full well there is no Consult involvement, we know Inrau didn't really know anything more than what he learned from Akka.

Inrau dies to not expose what he knew about Akka.  That's why he repeats "any price" before jumping, earlier he says that what Akka did, in allowing him out of the Mandate was worth "any price."  Dying was his repayment to Akka, knowing that Aurang would get the information out of him somehow if he didn't.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Serwa seen with the Judging Eye
« on: May 03, 2018, 10:42:56 am »
Yeah, I should have put "incest" in quotes, because it is debatable if the Cubit would consider it "real" or not.  We simply don't know.  There is a fair moral case for either side, really.  The point being, of course, that Serwa is probably completely morally ambiguous in general and being that she most probably was born into some sort of "moralistic debt" it seems unlikely that she ever did enough to overcome that, let alone not descend further.

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General Q&A / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Nirimenes?
« on: May 02, 2018, 04:57:40 pm »
Did I just miss him being mentioned? Was he included in a scene that was later cut from the book or something?

No, you didn't miss anything and there isn't a mention of that name anywhere else.

My guess is that he was in a scene that got cut.

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