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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 22, 2018, 08:41:37 pm »
Finished Red Seas Under Red Skies, by Scott Lycnh(18). So so, book. Not a whole lot to comment on. I do like the interaction between Locke and Jean, though.

Literature / Re: Steven Erikson (The 3.5 million word journey?)
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:58:54 pm »
Figured this the best place to post this. But, Erikson has just released a new sci-fi novel Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart.

Here's the link,

ETA: not released, will be in October.

The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TWP Chapter 6
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:54:19 pm »
Quote from:  Wilshire
Also, looks like many have abandoned you on the path TheCulminatingApe.

Indeed. I for one feel awful about skating on the reread. I guess I don't have much of an excuse since it's only a chapter a week. I just find myself finding and reading new content that I can't put down, or don't want to.

For what is worth, I have been following and reading all of TheCulminatingApe's posts. They are excellent and detailed. I love the new perspective.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: September 15, 2018, 02:18:15 pm »
Quote from:  SmilerLoki
My understanding of your post also was, it might be that the No-God itself is just a tool to reduce the population to the blessed 144k, with no other function. Which would mean the 144k is what needs to be achieved, not the No-God. Personally, i don't think so, as I've outlined above. But that's in no way certain, and is mainly based on the fact that the existence of the No-God even without the world being reduced to the 144k has a certain effect on the great cycle of souls, which involves the Outside. Additionally, there is that whole "invisible to the Gods" thing.

Bakker said in a Q&A that when the Inchies inoculated the Nonmen and it resulted in the death of the females;  that they then found a dread function for the No-God. I assume that means that no births will occur during the rise of the No-God.

I have seen theories upon theories about 144,000. It's the only reason I mentioned it. One, that during Akka's dream where Nayu is a wretch in line, being led to the Golden Room, that the Consult was feeding the No-God. And, once it had 144,000 souls it would rise. We now know that's patently false.

The Outside is not shut, correct. Bakker has even stated that the gods can function, as you've said. But, the No-God has stopped the cycle of souls, hence the still births. To shut the Outside, it would seem that the No-Gods purpose is to whittle the population down to 144,000. It's like a threshold needed to shut the Gods off from the Inside (Earwa).

Again, I never expect to get the how's of things, only the why's.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: September 14, 2018, 11:55:56 pm »
@SmilerLoki, I wasn't implying that you meant that. Sorry, if it sounded that way. ;)

But, over the years discussing these books, many are confused as to what the prophecy about 144,000 was about. Just read a few threads and you'll get what I'm talking about.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:14:18 pm »
Quote from:  SmilerLoki
It's a strange thing. Yes, the No-God does something with birth, though we don't know what. But just by being there it doesn't close the world. Sorcery is contingent on the Outside and still works, the Gods are able to act and were able in the First Apocalypse, I'm pretty sure Ciphrang can still be summoned, and also, as dragharrow succinctly put it above, if it was enough for the No-God to just exist to prevent souls from going to Hell (or, much less likely, Heaven), the whole Apocalypse and 144k thing would've been totally unnecessary.

Considering all of this, I don't think it is correct to say that the world is closed in any way.

All of that is true, just I have a thought on the above bolded. It's said/prophesied that once the population is below 144,000 then Earwa is shut from the Outside. Hence, the No-God. The means to reduce the population to below 144,000. That is the plan of the Consult/Mutilated, to free themselves of damnation. That number was never needed to raise the No-God, it is the goal.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 01, 2018, 02:47:37 am »
Finished Iron Gold(17), by Pierce Brown. A follow up book (#1 in New trilogy) to Red Rising. Great book. Really great plot, believable timeline, and continued great characters. Can't recommend it enough.

The Unholy Consult / Re: [Spoilers] Is the Consult doomed to fail?
« on: August 30, 2018, 09:24:43 pm »
Quote from:  profgrape
When it comes to answers, we should be careful what we wish for.  As much as I really want, for example, to know how the Psukhe functions, there's a part of me that knows that the ambiguity is a big reason I love these books. 

Or to put it succinctly: Midichlorians.

Let me rephrase myself a bit. I don't need every mystery spelled out, I want a "payoff" for some of the plotlines. I don't need to know how the JE works, I want the JE to play a meaningful part; the plot to have a significant outcome. The dreams, same. I don't need to know the how, rather the why.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: August 30, 2018, 03:37:32 pm »
Quote from:  Wilshire
The Emperor's Blades (Chronicle of the Unhewn Throne) by Brian Stavely (30)
Wow what a great book. 10/10 would read again. Well written, nicely realized world with some lost pre-human race stuff. A sect of monks that are basically proto-dunyain, a guild of supped up assassins, and a bureaucrat all get thrust into some crazy wold domination plot led by some unknown figure.
So good!

Is indeed a great book. I found that by simply googling, "best fantasy 2017-18". There were a few more I found that I feel will be excellent reads also. Just haven't got around to them.

Really excited for part II of Chronicles of Unhewn Throne. This is a series with which there are endless possibilities. The "old" God's(rather what passes for them) showing up later, just opens up so much. I can't remember the main characters name atm, but I live the route he took, again could go a number of different routes. Just an excellent world Stavely has set a foundation upon.

The Unholy Consult / Re: [Spoilers] Is the Consult doomed to fail?
« on: August 30, 2018, 12:17:23 am »
Thanks for all the replies! I certainly understand everyone's pov.

I just feel a little resolution is what's needed. If all these plot lines go on muddled in the story, I just feel it a waste. Not saying it will effect my fandom at all.

The Unholy Consult / Re: [Spoilers] Is the Consult doomed to fail?
« on: August 29, 2018, 03:57:52 pm »
Quote from:  H
Well, unfortunately, we don't know and probably never will know exactly how or why the Inverse Fire functions.  I guess I just really like the idea that the Inverse Fire is the truth, just not the whole truth.  And it isn't a lie, at least not in the sense that it isn't, in some capacity, a truth.  The Inverse Fire, much like the idea of nihilism itself, is just a trap.  The honey-pot that lures you in, of course, is that it is literally based on truth.  It just isn't truth immutable.

Tangent. If we never get "fair" (and fair being some are answered) resolution to many of the plot lines, does that effect the overall series to you (anyone, please answer would like to know others thoughts, as wel)?

For me, it would. There are so many interesting mysteries throughout the series. It would be a shame if none of them were thought out, and don't have any conclusions. I think it would be lazy as a writer. And, Bakker doesn't strike me as a lazy writer. I have to assume he goes somewhere with them.

Literature / Re: YOU MUST TELL ME ... What else are you reading?
« on: August 25, 2018, 02:36:57 pm »
Good post, Dora Vee!

I knew when you said the Grey Swords were your favorite that you would live the end. MoI is easily one of my favorite fantasy novels I've ever read.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: August 25, 2018, 02:28:19 am »
Aw Schucks! :)
Thanks, Wilshire

The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TWP Chapter 2
« on: August 23, 2018, 11:36:20 pm »
I'm assuming a continuity error...

The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TWP Chapter 2
« on: August 23, 2018, 11:12:10 pm »
Cnauir mother had a baby by Moe. They killed the baby and his mother for bearing a child of Moe's. The baby was not of the People.

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