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The books have weird pacing, so I am curious how Bakker invisioned it. Anyone know how it should have been>

The Dunyain where right. Even if the world works differently than they thought, it doesn't matter.
Even if they can't reach the absolute (or if the absolute is very far away) they are the only ones on the right path . Imagine if Kellhus where 2x, 5x or 10x "closer" to the ideal, surely he would have succeeded.
The series is an argument between intellect and irrationality (feelings) with the scales going from one to the other. For 2000 years the Dunyain where pursuing Intellect, so our main character ( Kellhus ) starts out at that end. The moment he leaves Ishual he is broken. I think few people understand how significant this is for his kind. Moengus didn't suffer this fate. After that he follows the shortest in some ways, but in others he is deceiving himself.. He loves Serwe, Esmenet,Cnaiur, Akkamian and even Proyas, the worst sin however is that he loves himself.
Every mistake Kellhus makes is because of love...Moe is his last test. Instead of talking to him (someone more experienced both with the world and the Logos) and figuring out the shortest path, he gives some bullshit justification and he commits the murder. He is afraid that the shortest path might require his own death, he is afraid of a truth that inconveniences him. He chooses self deception.
Now there is nobody who sees as "deep" as him, nobody who can see his darkness. This way Kellhus becomes just as anyone else in this world. Talking and debating with your equals and betters is the foundation of rationality, of the Logos. The Dunyain accomplished their great feats with fanatical cooperation, every generation "building" the next. Now the only person he can talk to is himself. 
What comes before determines what comes after. Because of these mistakes and a few others, he goes back after Esmenet. Even then, he still has a choice. Letting Kelmomas live  was the culmination of his irrationality, a process that started more than 20 years before.
Kellhus was the harbinger and everything that happened was his fault. A "stronger" Dunyain would have made the same choices but without the mistakes. He had plenty of opportunities but again and again he didn't stay true to the Logos...
The world will burn because Kellhus didn't follow the shortest path, the world will burn because Kellhus loved.

General Earwa / (spoilers all) General Questions
« on: August 10, 2017, 08:10:39 pm »
1)What's up with the Bashrag ?Unlike the Sranc, they are not lust/food obsessed. How are they controlled? Not a lot was revealed about them...
2)Why did only Quya mages join the battle and what happened to them after? What where the Tall and Ishroi doing?
3)Where did the big dragon go from Sauglish? I thought he ran to Golgoterath.

General Earwa / [Everything Spoilers] Are these plot holes?
« on: August 10, 2017, 11:04:51 am »
After thinking about it, these are the only(possible) plot holes I can think of.
1)Why didn't Moengus realize Kellhus will be a sorceror ? Even without Akka, he shortest path dictates that he convince a scarlet schoolman. He admitted to being weak, he had no chance in winning against Kellhus wielding the Daimos or other sorceries.
2)Why didn't Moe learn other sorcery? He had the time. Capturing a schoolman would have been easy, even Akka went to Shimeh years before. From what I understand the schools guard their secrets, that's why there are distinctive schools...but this is no problem for him. Can't a Cisharum learn other sorcery?
3)Did Kellhus know of Cnaiur? it would have been obvious for him to know.
4)If Cnaiur is a reincarnation of a god(or something like it) How can he "see" the No-God ?
This for now. will post more if it comes to mind...

General Earwa / Unification wars details.
« on: December 23, 2016, 09:04:14 pm »
What do we know of the unification wars? Can we do like detectives and reconstruct a timeline of events, the dates,names etc.
I am searching now for some facts, curios if anyone cares about this ( or if this has been discussed )

General Earwa / Is there any interest for audiobooks?
« on: August 24, 2016, 09:05:15 pm »
The first 3 books of the Second Apocalypse series where narrated by a guy named David de Vries. Honestly it was such an amazing narration...without it I doubt I would have enjoyed the series as much.
For whatever reason, Audilbe decided to change narrators for the second series...This was quite depressing honestly, the new guy isn't as good.
I am curious, are people here fans of the audiobooks ? Maybe we could do something, like a fundraiser/kickstarter to convince Audible to bring him again. This has happened a few times in the past when a narrator change came with backlash from fans. I don't have the numbers, however seeing as you have less than 100 hours, at 100$ a hour it would mean 10 000 $. That not astronomical when it comes to kickstarters. ALso ( the number may be more or less) the point stands that a show of support might be enough, we don't need the whole number to convince Audible. 
These are just ideas though...I for one would shell out a few dollars for this. Any thoughts?

1) this is something from previous books...but why did the consult kill the emperor and his mother? What was the point? With him alive Kelhus' conquest would have been harder, no? 
2)Did the Consult intervene in the Unification Wars? Where they working against Kellhus' ambition or just "camping"? 
3)What "bad thing" happened during the unification wars? I remember a couple of characters mentioning this event, but I don't know what it is. 
4)Why did Saubon die? was that the plan all along? Didn't Kellhus know he was in Danger there? 
5)why did he rape the general? 
6)What's up with the "tall" nonmen? are they simply giants? or is there something more here? 
7)And the one "revelation" I didn't like...was the Dunyain reading souls. What was the point of all this training if they can just "read" souls? Or is this something only Kellhus(dunyain schoolman) can do ? 
Did he start out noticing expressions and slowly started seeing souls? if so, why can't he "turn it of" ans simply see sorweels deception? Am I being deceived yet again? this doesn't make sense to me...

Author Q&A / Dunyain children, the math doesn't add up.
« on: July 10, 2016, 03:57:42 pm »
Is there something fishy happening here? Kellhus is an Emperor, in the 20 years time skip why didn't he have more children ? Is there something special about Esmenet? Because the math doesn't add up... 20 years, that's 7300 days. Theoretically he could have sex each day, he is Dunyain after all, it would only take a few minutes. He also has an unlimited amount of girls, heck, he could even only have sex when they are most fertile... 
Even if the chances are 1 in 1000, it's impossible for him to NOT have other children if he really wanted to. Am I missing something or are we deceived ?

Author Q&A / Question about Dunyain feelings/instincts
« on: July 10, 2016, 02:13:13 pm »
Wouldn't it make more sense for them to control feelings instead of abolish them? I mean, being 100% logical is not easy, it took them two thousand years and they didn't accomplish it. Why not act as if feelings/instincts are 100% natural in need of absolute control? 
The difference would be simple, instead of fighting constantly against their humanity, they could simply build a wall around it. This way each Dunyain monk would "listen to his body" and enjoy himself when the time comes. Of course this would all be  structured. For example, he could only have sex once every few weeks, or months, when he decides it's the best time for it, when it makes more sense to embrace and weaken the impulse than fight it....and after that's out of the way he can go back to doing what he does. 
Of course in time these temptations would be there, but weaker and weaker. Using the same breeding methods they could improve themselves in time... 
Does this make any sense? I tried to write this post a few times but I always ended up rambling too much...

Author Q&A / How do the Dunyain view and experience pleasure?
« on: July 10, 2016, 02:05:23 pm »
this is a question about the inner workings of the Dunyain. They changed a lot, but they are still human, I assume sex,good food etc are still pleasurable. 
Does the Dunyain monk spend every moment denying desire and feelings? Is this like a war going inside his head? When something pleasurable happens,does his effort intensify?   
This is something I never understood about them.

Author Q&A / Different races power levels?
« on: June 23, 2016, 04:14:08 pm »
So we can assume that humans are the same as in our world. How do the others relate?  It's something I find very hard to visualize. 
I don't know, could an average Ishroi kill a skinspy in single combat? Could he kill a Bashrag or an Inchoroi? 
When it comes to magic, things are clearer though, so that's good.

Author Q&A / Who is your favorite ancient philosopher?
« on: June 23, 2016, 03:00:02 pm »
Who is your favorite ancient philosopher?Who had the greatest influence on the series?

Author Q&A / Thoughts on adaptations?
« on: June 23, 2016, 12:21:14 pm »
Do you imagine the series being adapted, if yes, how do you see it ? TV series? movie? Animation?Comic books? 
Lets assume there's enough talent and money to make a truly great product.What would you like to see?

Author Q&A / What did the Consult do after the first apocalypse?
« on: June 23, 2016, 12:19:50 pm »
This is one of the few things that didn't make much sense to me...Maybe it's something to be explored in the future? 
So after the first apocalypse, what do the Consult do? I had an impression they went into hiding, but then I remember they only dissapeared like 300 years ago. 
I have read the timeline( And there's no mention of them for almost 2000 years. Where they hiding the whole time?

Author Q&A / How many books are planned?
« on: June 21, 2016, 07:37:18 pm »
A couple of questions here!: 
1)First we had 3, then 4, how many books in the last series? 
2)Any planned books/series before? ( I see this was answered)
3)Any books planned durring ? So like a side novel/series set somewhere else during the main events of the second apocalypse. 
4)Any books after? This might be a spoiler( maybe there will be no after) 
5)Any books on the Inchoroi home world?

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