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What form of economic system does China operate under? Purportedly or actually?

Pay people high wages to do jobs in fields that need to be grown and expanded. Instead of letting pure market forces dictate what direction the country goes, you can direct the market to encourage behaviors. We do this all the time with taxes, but doing it with the carrot rather than the stick, and in fields that are going to keep one ahead of the curve, seems like a bunch of great ideas.

BFK, you cry foul more than any kid on the playground. If you can't participate, please don't. I grow tired of babysitting you.
Wow, Wilshire. You completely missed the point of my post. Did I refer Tleilaxu's post for moderation? No. I was making a rather labored joke (of sorts) concerning the goal of pro-eugenics advocates to literally attempt to build better communities.

To repeat, I didn't refer the post for moderation.
Ha ha.

General Misc. / Re: eSports vs Sports
« on: Today at 01:53:01 pm »
Quote from:  Wilshire
]Exercising isn't a sport: running, cycling, swimming. Its exercise.

Excercising isn't a sport, agreed. I don't agree on the others. They have systems for scoring and are individual and team sports. Physical exertion is not in question on any of them.

I don't agree, obviously. Nothing sporting about exercising. Same as an eSport.

Quote from:  TLEILAXU
If I had kids I'd be proud if they became good at SC2 or counter strike. Probably the most quintessential e-sports right there.

Sir, you're missing my point entirely. If one of my kids was able to compete in the eSports championship, I would be proud also. As long as it doesn't effect other area's of his/her life negatively.

Can be said for anything though. You seem to really want to make a blanket statement about video games (and I might actually agree). However, no one is saying video games are going to make you fit, and I thought we were talking about esports...

But exercise anorexia is a thing - several people in my family have it. A kind of body dismorphia where people don't eat enough and feel like they are fat so they exercise an extreme amount. Its sad, it ruins their bodies, and leads to lifelong problems which can lead to death. One might look at that and say exercising leads to body dismorphia - at least I never met a gamer who thought they were physically fit when they weren't.

Most everyone that I know who spends a lot of time exercising ... I don't like. They tend to be the worst kind of people who only do one thing - I call them gym rats. They can't do, or say, anything other than exercise and talk about sports.

I don't personally know anyone who has ruined their life playing video games. Even if you do, video games is a symptom, not a cause. Someone who is lazy, unmotivated, and has an addictive personality, will find ways to ruin their life - with or without video games. Conversely, its entirely possible to be both an avid video game player and perfectly healthy.

But, MSJ, you specifically seem to have difficulty wrapping your head around the idea that playing video games, and international esports competitors, are not the same thing. Maybe intellectually you do, but the discussions that keep arising speak to an underlying confusion that hasn't yet been rectified, and I fear there's nothing that can bridge the gap. Its like trying to describe "why not" to someone who thinks they can play in the NBA because they do pickup games on the weekends with their friends.

I suspect, MSJ, that you don't know what is normative for a typical 'video game player'. Again though, if we're talking about a typical video game player and not esports, we can talk about a typical "i go to the gym" person. I see more overweight, unathletic people at the gym than I do at the supermarket. Do I then conclude that working out, and being at the gym, makes people obese and dumb?

Tleilaxu, you clearly have an axe to grind. Please read more carefully before you make responses, it makes the conversations easier to have. So do multi-sentence posts.

ETA: Sorry MSJ, not trying to hound you. Doesn't seem like a lot of participation so I'm chiming in.

BFK, you cry foul more than any kid on the playground. If you can't participate, please don't. I grow tired of babysitting you.

The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: The Intellectual War on Science
« on: February 21, 2018, 07:02:38 pm »
Some interesting theories about the ascendancy of mankind being attributed to early humans with social handicaps - OCD, Asperger, anxiety, etc. The idea being that those who were making fire, tools, traps, early science, were the marginalized antisocials who couldn't stand the idiot chiefs dancing around the fire. Even today, and throughout history, there are lots of examples of imperfect individuals making the highest contributions to science at large.

There's also a lot of danger trying to weed out seemingly useless genetic combinations from the gene pool. A more obvious example being someone heterozygous for sickle cell is rendered immune to malaria, while homozygous has deadly sickle cell anemia.

It is, unfortunately, rather difficult to predict what genes serve no purpose.

Though we'd probably need a populations of a several million and entire planets to do it on, studying the effects of completely removing specific things from the genetic pool and watching how it turns out over a few dozens generations would probably yield truly fascinating results.

Maybe until that's possible, a subclass of 'not humans' can be kept around with all of evolution's genetic baggage in case of emergency, and the rest of 'true humanity' can be freed from the bondage of nature. 

General Misc. / Re: eSports vs Sports
« on: February 21, 2018, 05:26:32 pm »
Anything that doesn't involve a object to be thrown, a team, a way to score points, and physical activity isn't a sport.

So esports aren't sports.
Neither is any board game (like chess, go, etc.).
Exercising isn't a sport: running, cycling, swimming. Its exercise.

Literature / Re: 7 Surprising Books That Will Make Your Life Better
« on: February 21, 2018, 03:50:41 pm »
Hey look, "The Subtle Art of Not Giving A F*ck". Picked up and read part of the follow up novel by that author. Very entertaining for a self-help book.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: February 21, 2018, 03:46:52 pm »
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K Le Guin (6)
Uhm, it was alright. Le Guin writes a lot of politically charged novels, this being no exception. The writing was fine, if a bit plain, and the story was interesting, if not thrilling. Not as good as the other novel I read by her last year (The Dispossessed), but it had some interesting commentary on society and gender.

I've got Blackout by Connie Willis queued up next.

Yeah well, look where that got you. Clearly doing what I would is a bad idea.

General Misc. / Re: The Olympics 2018
« on: February 20, 2018, 01:22:52 pm »
Well since Russia got busted for state sanctioned doping, thus them not being able to compete under the Russian Flag, its not surprising that they are finding other athletes. At this point they might even just be using these games, since its a 'lost cause', as a testing ground to see what stuff will pass detection.

Sadly I don't imagine Russia is the only ones with widespread cheating. Just look at the entire sport of cycling - seems on an international level cheating and getting away with it is as big a part of the competition as the actual sport itself. Its really very sad.

General Misc. / Re: Video Game Thread! What are you playing?
« on: February 19, 2018, 05:08:10 pm »
There's a name for it, and its called 'save scum' or 'save scumming' . Saving before a decision point and reloading until you get the favorable outcome.

I love Dishonored, and I'm disappointed I ruined the 2nd one for myself lol.

I'm guilty of this as much as the next guy I'm sure. Its a balance. Sometimes its fun to lose progress because of a bad throw of the dice, but a lot of the time its definitely not fun.

The Dark Souls franchise covers this up by having the save points at designated areas, but every death is basically just a re-roll. It feels like you are increasing your 'playing skill', and you are I guess, but that entire universe if basically built on save summing lol.

A lot of games add an "ironman" mode - or some other clever name for 1 save file, permanent death if you die. This is way too far for me. XCOM and XCOM2 are games that change so dramatically if you go through without re-loading every bad instance. Kind of like the difference of playing through as the White Luck Warrior or as a human :P . The loss of units, getting ambushed and fighting through bad positions, inconvenient enemy drops/placement, etc. etc., make for a much different play through. I don't know if I'd call it "better" - very subjective - but its far different.

Having loss to balance out success definitely changes a game's feel.

I might have to check out KC:D

If you take time out of the equation, then the only way anything can change is for the entire universe to be remade from the ground up. Including all your memories and knowledge, meaning you can never be aware of the change. That's what being one of the Hundred is like.

As I've said before, mortals are divided by moments, the Gods by whole Realities.

This is a great thought.

General Misc. / Re: What are you watching?
« on: February 19, 2018, 03:07:31 pm »
Finished Altered Carbon. It was pretty entertaining throughout, though I never read the books. The nudity bit got less ridiculous as it went on, each episode probably a little less than the last, though still an unnecessarily part of every one.

General Misc. / Re: Video Game Thread! What are you playing?
« on: February 19, 2018, 02:18:56 pm »
The concept of save anywhere, at anytime, really changes how games are played. I'm a big fan - since I like to be able to get up and leave on short notice - but I think it probably negatively impacts a lot of gameplay aspects. Making it frustrating, but not impossible, sounds like a good feature.

ETA: One example being Dishonored franchise. Stealth type game with some magic thrown in, there's a metric for going through each level without being seen. The concept is great - in-game its called 'Ghost' - and the idea of playing through the entire game without a single person seeing you is great... But I ended up just saving and reloading (f5 to save, f6 to reload) nearly every encounter. Kind of ruined the fun lol. I haven't beaten the 2nd game for that reason for all the stupid save/reloading that I'm doing. I think I'll restart and just play a normal game, and I think I'll get a lot more enjoyment out of it.

General Misc. / Re: The Olympics 2018
« on: February 19, 2018, 02:12:37 pm »
Should probably split the topic and make a new one for 'what is a sport', or some such.

Finally got too see Nathan Chen on his final freeskate(?) performance. Record breaking score, record breaking performance (landing 6 quadruple jumpy-thingies when the previous record was 4). Amazing stuff. Such a shame he didn't medal.

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