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Yeah plenty of pages for sad death in the last few books of Malazan.

Philosophy & Science / Re: Another galaxy without dark matter
« on: April 18, 2019, 05:44:07 pm »
Dark matter and Dark Energy are just words for "unknown shit we dont understand and know next to nothing about".

Yeah, but we know it's there ... gives me the creepy crawlies  ;D

Well, to be my usual pedantic self, we really don't "know" it exists, but we infer that it seems it simply must exist....

Oh, "it's" there - force don't come from nothin'

Something appears to be there, but that doesn't mean it is.

At some point, everything comes from nothing ;) , especially forces (see, centripetal force ), but I'm not good enough at physics to explain that statement :P. Just because it can been seen, felt, and measured, doesn't mean it "exists" or "is real", apparently.

Philosophy & Science / Re: Another galaxy without dark matter
« on: April 18, 2019, 03:24:54 pm »
Dark matter and Dark Energy are just words for "unknown shit we dont understand and know next to nothing about".

While it is an interesting artifact that looking through space is easier than looking into the ocean, its just the nature of how light works lol. I'm not so sure we "know" more about space than we do our oceans - then again, maybe we do.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: April 18, 2019, 03:00:42 pm »
RIP Gene Wolfe btw, he died this week. :(

General Earwa / Re: Cants of Compulsion
« on: April 15, 2019, 04:50:03 pm »
Both are great ideas. Kellhus Compulsing himself to do something would be quite a trick - especially given his troubles with Ajokli near the end. Though that it seemingly didn't work is probably an argument against such functionality.

Thinking on it from a meta-narrative point of view, its probably too strong a thing to incorporate into the story. You quickly get to the old Meta-Psuke level of nonsense. That said, I still enjoy the implications quite a bit, if we ignore that slant to it.

Given the Uster Scrol short story (The Carathan?), plus the various head swapping things we see and the speculation in light of those pieces of information, the idea of a meta-compulsion becoming Soul Transplanting seems to fit, if tangentially, into the universe.

General Misc. / Re: Quotes
« on: April 15, 2019, 04:40:08 pm »
I hope some day you get a book published FB.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: April 15, 2019, 04:39:29 pm »
He claims to have avoided the postmodernist pitfalls a la Gene Wolfe, BFK, but I'm never sure.

The Wolfe only prepares those pitfalls, it is the reader who stumbles!

It is the reader who stumbles.

Well I find Wolfe unreadable. Not sure if that says anything about either though.

General Misc. / Bakker's Ebay account
« on: April 15, 2019, 03:32:11 pm »
Bakker the Younger (R Scott Bakker's younger brother, Bryan) has an ebay account, Bakker3747.

As of this posting, the blurb says:
I plan to sell a variety of original items here over the coming years. Some on behalf of my brother and others for my own business. Thanks for taking the time to get to know me!

The account was opened in 2006 but had not ever listed anything for sale until today, May 15th, 2019.

Canvas Print of "Battle of Shimeh". 16''x36''
Description (from ebay):
Based on the landmark series of dark fantasy books by author R. Scott Bakker entitled, The Second Apocalypse (, this 'one in five' series is an absolute must for fans of the books and dark fantasy lovers alike. Dreamt into reality by Jason Deem, official artist for the series, each high quality canvas print (poly-cotton blend matte canvas, long-lasting epson archival inks, hand-stretched wrap over 1 deep wood stretcher bars) depicts the "Battle of Shimeh" - the climatic final battle in book three of the opening trilogy. There will only ever be five of these prints in existence - one of them could be yours.

Opening bid is ~$1000 USD + $225 shipping.

FWIW, poly-cotten blend matte canvas is probably really nice from what I know of printing and paper. 1.5'' stretcher bars are typical.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2019
« on: April 12, 2019, 02:12:37 pm »
Royal Assassin by Robin Hobb (10)

Brilliant. Hobb is a truly incredible writer and deserves every ounce of the attention she gets. The Farseer Trilogy might not be the most action packed, swashbuckling fantasy there is, but the detail on characters really makes the books seem packed to bursting. For anyone looking for fantasy that's not so EPIC and a lot more personal, look no further. Its stuffed with emotional scenes, and while generally melancholy, the moments of joy are pure and fulfilling. And yet, there are also grander schemes at play, a great plot to uncover, and intrigue abound that leaves the reader thirsty for more.
Wolves have no Kings.

So to me it sounds like:
Final Cause says Future Events that have not yet happened actually cause Present/Past Events.

Which to me is basically pure Fate, without freewill. You can't change events because they are set in stone by the final outcome.

I don't think that's how Earwa works, but some combination of Efficient and Final Cause. (this ignoring the fact of course that its a book, and Bakker is the final cause lol).

That sounds correct, so ... yes? Admittedly I'm not sure exactly what you mean with all those terms though lol.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2019
« on: April 11, 2019, 12:16:16 pm »
Finished Neuropath. Art. Definitely the best book I have read in the last year.

Ah, well done. Neuropath and Disciple of the Dog are very distinctly Bakker, and approach many of the same themes and concepts that TSA does. I think one can use those two as partial ciphers for TSA.

I think at the point one accepts at least two types of causation at work, Efficient & Final, probabilities would only be at most half the story?
I dont think at the point of TTT either Anasurimbor had accepted more than 1 type of causation, so the question doesn't really apply.

Maybe my memory is off but weren't there a few conclusions of the TTT that seemed beyond algorithmic? Going back to the OP perhaps the Dunyain unwittingly did managed to move higher up the "Golden Chain" - and thus increase their "Psi" power - but their entire project was a dead [end] in terms of reaching the Absolute.
Getting off topic a bit to the original post but ... oh well.

Anything supernatural allegedly done/predicted  by TTT is heavily speculative with minimal support from the text. The words only reflect that its an extension of the probability trance. Definitely possible to speculate that there's more, but I wouldn't say its really support without a lot of stretching.

If you think a function is linear, you're not likely going to be able to properly describe a quartic function - though you can still be correct locally with a small enough range. So does the probability trance become TTT when the missing variables of magic, history, war, and the consult become known - it just takes a lot longer to  graph by hand ;), taking a lot of meditative time to grasp. Probably helps a lot if someone points out that maybe your linear function isn't so correct as you thought.

I mean Laplace's Demon is basically the Thousandfold Thought with a little more data. Neither work in Earwa  in an absolute sense ;)

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