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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTDCB Chapter 3
« on: Today at 01:49:17 am »
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The Tusk. Holiest of holies.

Love Som's tusk, exactly how I envision this scene with Proyas.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTDCB Chapter 3
« on: April 25, 2018, 01:24:24 am »
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Its meaning would be unknown to you. Mai’tathana is Thoti-Eännorean, the language of the Tusk. It means ‘instruction.’”

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The fact that Maithanet so effortlessly secured the Seat. That he was able, in a matter of weeks, to purge the Shrial Apparati of all the Emperor’s spies.”


WHO ARE THE DUNYÄIN?


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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTDCB Chapter 3
« on: April 25, 2018, 01:06:11 am »
Reading. Chapter 3, and this from Akka PoV, I thought foreshadowing of his prophet of the past role.

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And Achamian wondered where it all went, the past, and why, if it were gone, it made his heart ache so.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / ARC: TDTDCB Chapter 3
« on: April 23, 2018, 10:52:43 am »
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If the world is a game whose rules are written by the God, and sorcerers are those who cheat and cheat, then who has written the rules of sorcery?

—ZARATHINIUS, A DEFENCE OF THE ARCANE ARTS

As always, its here for your leisure.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB: Chapter 2
« on: April 21, 2018, 12:23:40 am »
Quote from:  BFK
Did Not-Simas suffer the Dreams?

Thinking on it, here's my take on Simas. The Consult are making SS's and find out they found one with a soul. Maybe it looked innthe IF. I think they then sent Simas to Mandate. Truly, I think he's been there for a while. He would have had to grasp the heart, so yes I believe he has the dreams. Think on it. Simas the SS can appear as a 15 year old with sorcerous abilities. He can use hiaa face to age. It makes most sense that he did the grasping and learnt and gained his bruise through the Mandate. He's the reason the Mandate are clueless and he knows where to send it he SS's. Perfect spy for the Consult.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB: Chapter 2
« on: April 20, 2018, 09:03:13 pm »
Quote from:  Wilshire
Do skinspies age? Sranc are obviously born, and become adults, but do they have a natural lifespan, or is that why they have such a ridiculous population - they don't die with time.

Wether they age or not (I'd say no, they don't) is really irrelevant. We have the scene in TTT when the one with Cnaüir changes faces in front of him. They have the ability to fake age if the should choose to do so. Skin spies are a undetectable Consult spy....until the Dunyain walked through the wilderness.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB: Chapter 2
« on: April 20, 2018, 06:44:18 am »
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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB: Chapter 2
« on: April 19, 2018, 03:01:32 pm »
Quote from:  Ape
We are slowly being introduced to the various factions in the Three Seas.  In Chapter 1 we are introduced to the Scarlet Spires, the Mandate, and the Cishaurim.  In Chapter 2 we learn more about the Mandate, we learn that the Cishaurim belong to a religion called Fanimry, and that there is another religion comprising something called the Thousand Temples, led by a Shriah.  We also learn that sorcerors are considered  'unclean' from a religious perspective and that holy wars have been waged against them in the past.

But perhaps there is a new player in the game.
"All have kissed his[Maithanet's] knee.  And with none of the political manoeuvering obligatory to such transitions of power... He has stirred something novel...and not merely within the Thousand Temples"
"This man is more than simply shrewd.  Far more."
"Maithanet is shrewd, a man of intellect"

Are these the first faint hints that a Dunyain is now active in the world?

As Akka thinks to himself in the audience hall at Atyersus, "...With every flicker the ground seemed to shift  Is this a hint that events are now taking place on Conditioned Ground?

Very astute take away from the chapter Ape. Basically, what I got from the chapter also. More hints that Akka may enjoy the touch of a man. But, as Wilshire says, what we're seeing in hindsight, is the Consult positioning for a Holy War against the Cish. As we move on, its great trying to figure when Skeaos and Istryia have become one, as we did on the slog. But, I think, one or the other was replaced (I believe Istryia) to cover up the fuck ups of the other in book. Meaning, their both not skin spies when we first meet them.

I do truly wonder how long Simas was a skin spy. My intuition tells me for years at least. But, I don't think he was when training Akka.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB: Chapter 2
« on: April 17, 2018, 03:28:13 pm »
Quote from:  H
It's probably related to Maithanet and the start of the Holy War.  If the Consult plan was (initially) to hopefully get it to be declared against the Schools, it makes sense that they would want the Mandate (the school they most want eliminated) to be as blind as possible.  That this fails, of course, really isn't a Consult mistake, rather, the fact that they simply could not have known the full extent of what was going on.

Havent finiahed reading, just wanted to comment on this. And, oops, didnt finish reading the post. But, you're right, the Consult want to eliminate the Cish, because they know they're exposing and killing and torturing skin spies. Thats why they were interested in what Geshrunni related to Akka.

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Quote from:  H
Not sure about a Consult long-con though, since I've usually maintained that the Consult position is pretty logical and technically correct.

H will never indulge my crazy theories. Lol. I am 1 for 100.......Kellhus loved Esme. At least I got that. ;)

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The Almanac: PON Edition / ARC: TDTCB: Chapter 2
« on: April 16, 2018, 02:13:50 am »
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I write to inform you that during my most recent audience, the
Nansur Emperor, quite without provocation, publicly addressed
me as “fool.” You are, no doubt, unmoved by this. It has become
a common occurrence. The Consult eludes us now more than
ever. We hear them only in the secrets of others. We glimpse them
only through the eyes of those who deny their very existence. Why
should we not be called fools? The deeper the Consult secretes
itself among the Great Factions, the madder our rantings sound to
their ears. We are, as the damned Nansur would say, “a hunter
in the thicket”—one who, by the very act of hunting, extinguishes
all hope of running down his prey.
—ANONYMOUS MANDATE SCHOOLMAN, LETTER TO ATYERSUS

Begin at your leisure! :)

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The No-God / Re: TNG- Your expectations and wants
« on: April 13, 2018, 01:03:05 pm »
Quote from:  Wilshire
I for one hope we don't have to sit through a bunch of desert marching scenes. Between TSA and MBOTF I've had enough for at least one lifetime, I think.

Seconded. Lol.

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The Almanac: TAE Edition / Re: The Slog of All Slogs, A Real Chopper!
« on: April 13, 2018, 12:54:08 pm »
Real Quick, because I noticed this morning, I left out acronym for the book in thread title. So, goes like this.

ARC: TDTCB Chapter 2

Boom! Easy peasy.


Note: anyone please, can start the thread on Sunday. I start it if it isn't, of a evening. But feel free.

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Quote from:  Wilshire
This is an interesting topic in its own right. Lawyers, and especially judges, wield nearly unfettered power. Just as we've discovered that *shock* police abuse their powers of upholding power, as do men of the cloth. Its a stupid thing that we have done - letting people have unchecked power. I hope we collectively realize at some point how much power we have given the court, and how much power they/it has seized. Its a damn shame

Yes. 100% correct.  Its a rigged system. Public defender? You mean the prosecuter and judges drinking buddy.

Though, I've seen a lot progress, around here at least (WV). That in divorce cases it isn't the Mom gets everything anymore. Many, many dads coming away with full-custody. Many getting 50/50 with very light child support. And, this is as it should be. Its great, and I love to see progress in this area of the judicial branch.

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Increased rates of crime, substance abuse, intellect, the list goes on forever. Some even show staggering statistics indicating that growing up in a single parent household is the single worst thing you can do to ruin a child's future - even when directly compared to drinking  during pregnancy, or smoking during pregnancy and in the house after birth. I don't know how true that is or not, but its significant that the comparison can be made.

Another highly predictable scenario. Its why even when me and the wife have had significant issues we worked through them. A kid needs a mom and a Dad. You can easily see the difference most of the the time. Though, ive seen people raised by their mom and a good support group and do very well. Or, even mom alone. Its just is the truth that too many kids grow up fatherless and usually that hurts them, badly.

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Quote from:  BFK
3. The Dûnyain celebrate their discovery of Ishüal as a great correspondence of cause. What is a correspondence of cause? Who are these Dûnyain

Its part of the reason I believe they was sent there. Think on it. The Bard would have survived if not for a very pissed off young boy. Brought a disease with him to clean house? And, lo and behold, a secret redoubt for the Dunyain. Truly, a great correspondence of cause, or a Consult plan they fucking forgot about because Mek is a Nonman. (I'm just saying, really no evidence that makes it a fact, but evidence keeps piling up that it could of been a Consult long game.).

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During the interrogation of Leweth, Kellhus views sorcery as just another of Leweth's myths. Leweth, like all men, does not know what comes before. And then comes this line: "But what came before, the Dûnyain had learned, was inhuman." (pg. 17) Inhuman? What could this mean.

Legion. Passion, envy, spite, etc, etc. Hell, in Earwa's scheme of things, the 100....

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