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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Ajokli's Motivations
« on: October 15, 2017, 03:46:41 pm »
This the bit you're talking about?

The figure seems to perpetually sink for the constellations rising about him. He speaks, but his face cannot be seen.
I war not with Men, it says, but with the God.
"Yet no one but Men die," the Aspect-Emperor replies.
The fields must burn to drive Him forth from the Ground.
"But I tend the fields."
The dark figure stands beneath the tree, begins walking towards him. It seems the climbing stars should hook and carry him in the void, but he is like the truth of iron - impervious and immovable.
It stands before him, regards him - as it has so many times - with his face and his eyes. No halo gilds his leonine mane.
Then who better to burn them?

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General Earwa / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Foreshadowing in the books.
« on: October 11, 2017, 07:36:41 pm »
Michael Kirkbride?
Of Elder Scrolls infamy, yes.

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General Earwa / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Foreshadowing in the books.
« on: October 09, 2017, 09:17:55 pm »
How do you people know this shit?
'Know' is exactly the wrong word. Certainty is the death of wisdom. If I ever claim to actually know for sure what Bakker is trying to say, you can safely assume my monstrous ego has strangled my last vestiges of good sense and is reeling drunkenly around the inside of my skull, terminally high on hubris.

I merely speculate. My quite-screwed-up brain makes daft links between Bakker's writing and various odd things I've picked up over the years from Hofstadter, Hood, Buddhism, Kirkbride, Warhammer, etc. Sometimes a thought seems well-formed enough to put into words and post it here. Occasionally, I even have some coherent idea of what point I'm trying to make.

For the record, this post you're reading right now is not an example of that last one. ;)

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General Earwa / Re: The Sohonc and Mangaecca
« on: October 09, 2017, 08:46:25 pm »
Do we actually know for sure that the term 'Grand Master' was used the same way by the ancient Gnostic Schools as it is later among Three Seas Schoolmen?

In the 'modern' Three Seas, it seems to be fundamentally a political rank. The leader of a School. Each School has only one because he's the guy in charge.

Is it possible that in Far Antiquity it was instead a title keyed solely to sorcerous ability/skill/experience, and that a School could therefore have several Grand Masters at a time? So Outhrata and Titirga could have both been Sohonc Grand Masters at the same time, with Titirga (badass prodigy that he was) being raised to that rank some time before Outhrata, hence Titirga being 'the second Grand Master of the Sohonc', while Outhrata is merely an 'eventual Grand Master'.

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The No-God / Re: Perspective and answers to open questions
« on: October 04, 2017, 02:54:49 pm »
If you have been so thoroughly conditioned that your soul moves entirely at the will of another, then is your soul not merely an extension of the soul of your manipulator? Are you not a part of him just as much as his own hand? If so, then Cnaiur is a limb of Kellhus, Kellhus a limb of Ajokli, and Ajokli a divine mantle taken up by Cnaiur-Conditioned-by-Kellhus. Then all three are the same soul, and Possession and Apotheosis are the same thing.

Ajokli is both the Trickster and the Prince of Hate. The Prince hates because he is the Trickster's mark. Both are part of the same story, just like Br'er Rabbit and Br'er Fox. The story is their shared soul. It's also a circuit of Watcher and Watched. The Prince hates the Trickster because he sees him for what he really is.

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General Earwa / Re: (spoilers all) General Questions
« on: October 04, 2017, 07:13:41 am »
The answer to #2 might be as mundane as the sky-walking Quya just arrived ahead of those who had to trudge along on the ground.

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General Earwa / Re: [TUC SPOILERS] Foreshadowing in the books.
« on: October 04, 2017, 07:11:00 am »
A Nonman might point out the difficulty in disentangling the Principles of Hate and War. Inri Sejenus would concur that the same entity can wear different faces. Fane would argue rather huffily that all demons are made of lies anyway so shut up. Memgowa, of course, is just chuckling and shaking his head because he knows everyone else has missed the point entirely.

Perhaps how one perceives Hate and War depends more on the observer than on some immutable Divine Truth.

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The No-God / Re: Perspective and answers to open questions
« on: September 23, 2017, 02:25:59 pm »
There's also the issue that Kellhus (or Ajokli) instructs Malowebi not to look into the IF. If Malowebi is irrelevant to Kellhus' (or Ajokli's) plans at that point, why bother to ensure he remains untainted by the Goad?

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The No-God / Re: The Mutilated: A Census
« on: September 22, 2017, 02:31:44 pm »
I'm still not sure why everyone assumes the Mutilated were telling Kellhus the truth about Shauriatas, or indeed about anything else.

Like Kellhus' sword, Certainty is a weapon with two edges.

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General Q&A / Re: Study of Aporos Among Nonmen
« on: September 19, 2017, 03:59:50 pm »
'Elision' is most likely the act of "hiding one's Voice" (c.f. the use of the term in linguistics) from the Agencies of the Outside, rather than the act of seeking Oblivion per se. Of course, the former seems to be a necessary (but not sufficient) prerequisite for succeeding at the latter.

The Deepest Deep is doubly interesting, because in Nonman metaphysics geographic depth is associated with the past. The implication may be that the Nonmen were not always damned, and that one of the theoretical approaches to seeking Oblivion lies in recovering that lost past (perhaps by de-evolving one's soul to a pre-sapient state, hence becoming invisible to Judgement just as animals are?)

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Psalm of Imimorūl
« on: September 08, 2017, 02:45:39 pm »
why couldn't Imimorul have had hair? I don't get it. He's an anomaly in the text for a variety of supernatural reasons.
Maybe the Nonmen are hairless because Imimorul didn't have any hair on his fingers? ;)

In any case, the issue isn't Imimorul's hirsuteness or otherwise, but the strangeness of a hairless species using the word 'hair' as a poetic metaphor.

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Also, I love that this has been a point of contention, Duskweaver ;).
I wouldn't say we were contending. I'm certainly not suggesting that the use of the word 'hair' is a mistake. I just think it raises some potentially interesting questions. Were Nonmen always bald? Did the Amiolas translate the poem non verbum e verbo sed sensum de sensu, hence inserting a metaphor from Sorweel's culture? Did the poem originate as a history lesson from a Nonman to his Emwama, and thus use a metaphor that made sense to them rather than to the poet's own species?

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Oh, I like that. I'm sure FB has brought up versions of this before but per-Enlightenment "maps" of reality tended to look like this:

A lot of Great Chain of Being interpretations, right ;)?
Sure. The Chain is sort of an Ourouboros in Earwa, though, isn't it? Coming too close to the Absolute, the Godhead at the top, damns you and returns you right to the bottom, with the Ciphrang, deader than stone. Unless you can turn it on its side, realise the circle is a spiral (no circle, no soul), and escape laterally into Oblivion.

Although I was really just suggesting that Imimorul might have come from the future. ;)

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General Q&A / Re: Study of Aporos Among Nonmen
« on: September 07, 2017, 11:30:49 am »
I agree on all accounts except that it was even before the Consult. The Inchoroi gave Chorae and the Tusk to the Tribes of Men.
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The Consult began with the School of Mangaecca breaking into the Ark and finding Aurax and Aurang.
Yes, I was imprecise with my terms. I keep forgetting they're not technically 'The Consult' until Men join them. :)

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General Earwa / Re: The Mechanics of Sorcerous Thought
« on: September 07, 2017, 11:25:18 am »
No, in my analogy the Psukhe is LSD. Or really any psychoactive drug, but LSD sounds right somehow. It doesn't work through senses and cognition like poetry or music or mathematics. It just gets in there and makes you feel stuff directly.

The "you" in the analogy is the World or the God, obviously.

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General Earwa / Re: Mistakes and things that piss off in the series
« on: September 07, 2017, 11:20:26 am »
"How do the Dunyain make candles?"
(Wait, scratch that, I just thought about it and now I don't want to know that answer)
... They keep bees, obviously.

Human tallow makes terrible candles, BTW. It's really not worth the effort.

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General Q&A / Re: Study of Aporos Among Nonmen
« on: September 06, 2017, 09:47:59 am »
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Ok. Well wonder how that got a c horae hoard then if the Apororetic sorcerers are at the Ark?

The Consult gave loads of Chorae to the Men of Eanna prior to the Breaking of the Gates. Along with the Tusk. And the instruction from "The Gods" (*snort!*) to invade Earwa and kill the Nonmen.

All Chorae possessed by Men are ultimately gifts from the Consult. Nothing at all to do with the Siqu / Nonman Tutelage. The Aporos had been forbidden for thousands of years before the Tutelage began.

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