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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] The Prince of Hate
« on: July 26, 2016, 05:22:31 am »
Is there a difference between the Consults's savior or the Ordeal's?  At what point does one side start working for the other's

Khellus must have figure that the logistics of the Great Ordeal would fail (he lived through the desert), and they would eat Sranc.  His Imperial Bounty was two-fold: clear the immediate area of Sranc, while determining what effects long term effects of fighting and living in Sranc territory.  Thus, he realized the GO would get as far as the nuke to destroy the horde. 

At which point he gave up the GO, rallied the Zayumi to arms (by probably killing their king, and launching a war against the Three Seas), then having the Scylendi destroy the GO, as they turned against the Gods under the command of a man who now hates Khellus (rape tends to turn folks against the rapist). 

Then, Khellus can teleport in to Golgotteroth, let the world burn, and gain salvation  Either through the Gods or because the world will be destroyed.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Mimara
« on: July 26, 2016, 04:42:44 am »
"Hold their own" being a loose term, outside of Cnaiur for a short period of time, it seems the only combat rivals who are a real threat to Khellus have been skin spies, the Thing Called Sarcellus in the naked fight by the campfire comes to mind.  That being said, Khellus is like an upside-down Mary Sue. Kind of wished the Survivor had...survived, and provided balance and threat to his god like power.

The Great Ordeal / Re: (TGO Spoilers) Son of the Survivor
« on: July 25, 2016, 04:55:53 am »
In one of his PoV scenes Koringhus shoots down the idea of all Dunyain being Anasurimbors. He just confirms that they are the greatest of the (I think eight?) lineages that were selected to form part of the Ishual project.

Yes but with such a small population, after 2000 years they would have bred the best with the best until all lines were thoroughly mixed, so that may be not much of a practical difference.

So the Dunyain are basically super smart hillbillies?  Yes, I'll buy that.

General Misc. / Re: Some kinda game idea brewing
« on: July 24, 2016, 07:20:10 am »
The true Bakker game: 

Choose to play as a female or male.

If you play as a male you can become a fighter, a sorcerer, a spy, or a diplomat.  You gain experience and points based on how to manage outcomes.  Then you die, and you are damned, so you lose the game.

If you play as a female you can be a whore, an empress's mother, or the hottest chick in the world.  Here it gets more complicated, because...wait no it doesn' the end you get damnation and you lose the game.

If you pay 9.99 you can unlock The Judging Eye, and you may or may not be damned. 

Author Q&A / Re: Whence the Inchoroi?
« on: July 24, 2016, 06:44:09 am »
[Spoilers ?]

Not "whence the Inchoroi" but "who are the Inchoroi?" 

This is out there, and in no means a defamation of anyone, simply a fan theory (like how I think How I Met Your Mother is actually a suicide note).

Could the Inchoroi be humans from Earth?  Thousands of years of technology advanced?  They have a nuke, which is pretty human, especially in a universe where geometry can straight murder you and your whole town, unless you have a (non) magic rock.  They seem to be he prefect blend of science and religion.  One that utilizes weapons of mass destruction (and weapons of light, or lasers, or whatever).  They can manufacture and manipulate genes, which honestly is technology we can or will be able to do within this century.  The ship is built from a mystery metal, and if a time traveler brought back a set of titanium golf clubs to 800AD, or Chobham armor...and a modern would be as wondrous to them as sorcery is to us.

Also, the fact that the Inchoroi are looking for 144k souls.  That's the doctrine of certain door knockers, born in North America, and fearing the edicts of Popery. 

Was the Three Seas born of humanity from Earth?  Were Nonmen genetic experiments of such colonization just as the Consult was, sent to condition colonies for humanity that never came? Save for the Five Tribes of Men (weird the five tribes all kind of look alike).

Did Earth die and the last remnants of the dead planet arise in the Consult?  The Nonmen being tools left to, their own devices?  The fact humanity was largely isolated on the other side of the mountains, separate from the Nonmen lends credence to this.  Technology and tactics are logical, they have the same flora and fauna as Ice Age Earth, which would be great for a species looking to settle on a new planet especially after 6 thousand years.

Hence, the last remnants of Earth are in the Consult, taking knocking on doors to a violent new level?  I would have pegged the Mormons to be the last folks, but then again, not as many Mormons in Eastern Canada as the Western US.

Author Q&A / Re: Maithanet
« on: July 24, 2016, 06:09:34 am »
Half Dunyain can't breed?  It seems if he could have, he would have.  It takes the Mark of the Few to allow Dunyain to pass off their genes, but The Mark is probably a petty recessive gene, made more recessive by only having half Dunyain genes.  The Scholastic Wars probably wiped out most of the gene in the 3 Seas.

Or Half Dunyain are all genetic dead ends

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Mimara
« on: July 24, 2016, 05:53:05 am »
Speaking of Mimara:  Would she have survived by captured by the Scylvendi anyway?  She had a skinspy who was charged with protecting her, which means the Consult knew of her, and needed her to finish her mission, whatever it is. 

Also, the fact the Survior's Son, let's call him Anasurimbor Rocky, got away from an armed encampment of Scylvendi and a skinspy by throwing a freakin rock?  Come on.  Both of these people are important to the Consult and possibly the Gods. 

The Skinspy must have got called off, they proved that they can hang in a sword fight with Dunyain and Sranc, but to be taken out by a rock thrown by a deformed kid don't add up.

Also, the Gods can't see the No God, but they can see the Consult, damned as they may be, thus Khellus' plans to destroy the No God (?) don't register with them.  Hence, an organization that been around for thousands of years, hatred by damned individuals (The Mandate) that works to bring more souls to damnation (by killing them, seeing as how, like, one person in this whole tale isn't damned) may kind of like people who can stop a dude who may have become a god in his own right.

Speaking of the No God, not seeing, and damnation.  Didn't Khellus use imagery of reaping and harvesting to Proyas?  Are the Gods really feeding on the souls of everyone by damning them?   Wouldn't that make Khellus' mission on line with the Consult?  Man, the Gods are d bags.

The Great Ordeal / Re: (TGO Spoilers) Son of the Survivor
« on: July 24, 2016, 05:33:14 am »
Could the Son be an indicator of the Gods' intervention?  They can't see the No God, but they can see Khellus.  It seems the Judging Eye opens when necessary, not when asked, which means it probably has some connection to the Gods.  If the boy was meant to survive, it explains the Survivor's un-Dunyain behavior to him, and eventual salvation (?) at the end of his life.  So could the Gods have chosen the Son to be their agent?  Of what...I don't know know, maybe the next book.

Also, unless every Dunyain was named Anasarimbor, which is a real possibility, what logical evidence does the Surivior know it was his son?  Seems to be a guess based on feeling and fatherly instinct, something lacking in the Dunyain. 

Was there is a reason why Moeghus called his son (was there any way to know Khellus was his, outside of Cnaiur's memory, but the only other Dunyain adult we have met alive was horribly scarred, they could be clones for all we know) or did his simply call the most promising and talented of that generation?

Slim Cessna's Auto Club. 

General Misc. / Re: What are you watching?
« on: July 24, 2016, 05:15:32 am »
I'm kind of stupid (my wife implies it often, and she's probably right), and I watch a lot of professional wrestling.  I have to say, the Broken Matt Hardy's magnum opus: The Final Deletion.  It pretty much stopped me from watching TV.  Not for anything negative mind you, but because it was one of the best things I've ever watched. 

With the world in the state it is in, I'd rather focus my attention on something fun, like two middle aged Southerners having a backyard wrestling match, with drones, a dilapedated boat, fireworks, and a baby's birthday party.   Matt Hardy may very well be Inri Serjenus.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Whale Mothers
« on: July 24, 2016, 04:51:08 am »
Was Esmi of one of the Few?  I don't recall, but I would suspect she did.  So to have Dunyain kids, a world born mother would have to have the mark, which would be impossible to see for normal folks, but not necessarily for Khellus.  If they have the Mark, that probably means they have Nonmen traits, which means they could, probably, maybe have a Tall recessive trait.  Which explains the Whale Mothers.

Mimara's kid or kids are going to be awesome.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Kellhus
« on: July 24, 2016, 04:37:36 am »
There is something different about Khellus in this book.  He has a genuine interest in his family and empire, he makes an effort to shield the Great Ordeal from the nuke and its effects, his desire for angry revenge toward Zeyeum, and his vulnerability to Saubon and Proyas in the matter of faith are downright human.  To not speak of other desires with the whole rape thing...

Oh wait, he is Dunyain.  He calculated everything out, including the madness that is going to effect the The Great Ordeal (sending an assassin to kill the leader of a country tends to have negative consequences, unless it's to mobilize an army to defend against a No God worshiping Sranc eaters, if his rape victim fails in bringing them to heel and destroying to Consult...correct me if I am wrong, Zayeum has the only school remaining in Earwa right?).  Not to mention his own madness from investing Sranc.  Cnaiur is the one wildcard, but not much of one, seeing as how Acca met up with him, which, judging by everything else Acca has done, was more or less preordained. 

I think we are seeing Khellus as he is seen by world born men: a sympathic character who reveals enough through his words and actions to win our trust.  He's a bigger monster than ever (then again, so are the gods).

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] The Prince of Hate
« on: July 24, 2016, 04:10:46 am »
It seems most of what the Consult knows of the Dunyain is from Cnaiur.  They figured it out early on that he was the one who could shed the most light on this unforeseen threat.  Him being a Scylevendi must have been a miracle to them: an insane genius, with first hand knowledge to the only two known Dunyain in he world, who also worships the dead No-God.  Sounds almost too good to be true.  But, just as Khellhus' power grew over 20 years, Cnaiur's madness surely grew.  A generation of Scylevendi were lost 20 years ago, so those who follows Cnaiur follow him alone, as the one surviving voice who warned of the disaster at Keyuth (sp). 

Will the final battle at Golgotteroth be between Scylvendi horsemen and the half-Sranc remnants of The Great Ordeal (at what point does the Meat turn them toward the No God?)?

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Explaining Koringhus
« on: July 22, 2016, 02:03:51 am »
It seemed the Survivor was broken beyond any Dunyain conditioning.  He clearly attempted to try to break Acca and Mimara to his goals, but realized that it was for not.  Thus, he realized Mimara's power was true, and he was damned.  I think The Survivor actually represents the ability for salvation.   Which means Acca is probably going to die in the next book, but at least he isn't damned.

The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Whale Mothers
« on: July 22, 2016, 01:47:13 am »
A recessive trait,  or traits, exploited over thousands and thousands of generations makes sense, kind of like how birds have different colors, or frog females are larger than males.  Those without the recessive traits would be culled.  The Dunyain are an extremely small gene pool, I mean we have met what?  Four Dunyain, and they all were named Anasurimbor?   By bringing in world born genes, the recessive traits are erased.  Considering how many of Kehllus's children would not be considered defective (2?) it illustrates how many Dunyain children reach adulthood, much less breed, which indicates how exclusive the genes are.

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