Yes, I was referring to Kelmomas- his journey seems improbable, given the timeline, and the fact that, despite being .5 Dunyain, that's a long climb. And agin, how'd he get through the hoard, the ordeal, and the intrinsic gate without being seen? And why does his presence allow the skin spy to move?
It seemed so abrupt that I can't help but think this is all part of the plan... TTT that is. (I.e. Kellhus knew Esmi would release Kel jr., he would be salted, etc...)

What is the end goal of the No-God/ Consult? Ok, yeah, to close the world to the outside- so they don't go to hell. But play it out- the No-God walks, all births stop. Eventually, the world gets down to 144,000 souls, (it takes years, during which everyone just gets older)presumably, while the number of weapon races increases(continued breeding). The world is shut.
What now? Do the sranc stop raping the ~100,000 raisins left on the world? What happens when they have raped and killed all of the left-over elderly?  The Incorai are a race of lovers- nothin left to love (but seriously- what kind of fleshlight can you make with the Tenke?), what's left for them? Death and oblivion? What's Ark's final play? Does Ark have a soul? 

Ancillary, and maybe more apropos in a different thread;
And just to be clear, Aurang is in Hell, correct? He doesn't get out if the world is closed after his death, does he? Does Sil?
Crazy thought/ spoiler- If the world is closed sometime in the future (TSTSNBN) and the outside is timeless, then... wouldn't the gods be starving now? Is this a hint that the Dunsult fails?

While hell sounds like a big downer, the pleasures of the flesh are the Inchori's main thing- they are going to give that up? It seems self defeating- they want a closed world where they get to f* everything they want- but no new babies means no more sentient meat! Do they shut down the NG when they reach 144,000 and start a limited breeding program?( yeah, they are good at regulating lust- that'd work). I just don't see the end game...

Sorweel will bring the pain and strike down the No-God, Kellhus.

New thread- tv adaptation?

So, just an observation/ question- Of what significance is all of the tree imagery?
The tree of Siol, the tree in Kellhus' visions of the one/ no- God, the trees in his life, from training in Ishual to the mating ritual. What essential "treeness" is Bakker trying to point out to us? Or does he just like trees?

Quote from: Madness on July 15, 2016, 03:26:59 pm

Onkis is a compensatory god. I can't imagine that the efforts of the Dunyain "please" her, then.

How does one offer devotion in life to Onkis?

Be ambitious in an instinctive way, as opposed to calculated and logically?  (Therefor embracing the Darkness the Coems Before, rather than the Logos?)

Sounds like Mimara- especially the way Kohringus sees her.

I too read it that he was the agent of Ajokli, but this theory is interesting too;
"Why does Kelmomas stand outside the sight of the gods? How else could his being there have been unexpected? He's like the no-god, at least to the WLW. I was thinking that the entire time reading Kel spying on WLW."
He is a twin, whose pair is dead- maybe that is essential for God-blindness, or 'graced', or becoming a god (or whatever Kelmomas is)? Hey, was Cnaiur a twin? 

I don't remember the WLW having that dream, just Kel.