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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: Exhuman Inquiries
« on: November 07, 2017, 01:28:57 am »
Wow looks like I missed a lot. Don't worry about offense, none taken, i'm definitely a loser and not a much of a badass stoic warrior. :) Those that took my initial post with just a touch of levity might be on the right track...

But to be serious - It's def not fair to call it a "downscale TPB", that would be an honour! I haven't done anything to merit that!

And that wiki is brilliant btw, look at those awesome graphics.

BTW - Efilism doesn't advocate suicide necessarily, just not reproducing.

I amended my post to reflect your clarification on EFILism. TaoHorror took your post with your recommended touch of levity; I'm sorry that I was unable to do so.

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Wilshire, what do you want 3 books about then? Atrocities committed by the weapons races?  I don't know how much more can be said, if the world is indeed destroyed.

Well, MSJ, I guess they call it "grimdark" for a reason.

What interests you about TSA if not a chance at humankind pulling through?

That, sir, is a question worthy of its own thread.

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I've never read a sentence of hope in anything he's written, fiction or non-fiction.

Another great blurb!


BTW, if TSA is a story about the redemption of mankind, I'll be holding the book burning at my house.

Lmao, Wilshire!

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Philosophy & Science / Re: The Brain with David Eagleman
« on: November 06, 2017, 01:00:26 pm »
I'm watching episode 3 right now and I'm kinda triggered by how he kinda skirts around free will being an illusion. I get why he's doing it (to make normies more receptive by posing it as a question, easing them into first of all considering the idea instead of having it throw in your face from the start), but free will is trivially nonexistent if you look at it from a physical perspective. Cause and effect.

Yes, but the physical perspective is not the only perspective available. In fact, it's not even truly a perspective, since to have a perspective, there would have to be a perceiver.

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Aw, he comes back because he digs us! This is the cool corner of the web, be in the in-crowd  :)

Don't chase him away, Wilshire - I like Beard! He was so nice to me when I rejoined back in Spring.

Eh, unfortunately I appear to be a permanent blemish to the place ;), so I hope my more inane inquries aren't that off-putting, though I'm sure that's happened on accident.

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Very cool. You are a fascinating human, please do stick around so I can continue to enjoy your typings.

Tao and Wilshire, you guys made my day! As is evident, my absence was temporary and entirely due to my disinclination to discuss TSA matters in the immediate aftermath of reading TUC. Heap big medicine in that tome, to be sure.

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Thanks for the exposition, much appreciated.

Probably going way off topic, but BFK, do you ever wonder why you keep coming back? I recall you had a somewhat similar reaction to Neuropath, or at least similar in that it was emotional. I'd not, then, peg you as someone who'd enjoy reading or discussing the books further. Obviously, I'm wrong since you're here and doing just that... But I wonder if you have ever thought about it?

"Do I ever wonder why I keep coming back?" I could give a funny answer, but I know exactly why I come back.

1) Bakker writes very engaging fiction, and I'm trying not to let my misgivings concerning his big-picture views get in the way of what is a very vivid and strangely appealing saga. (There's a blurb for you!)

2) As for Neuropath, I consider the antagonist one of the most evil characters ever created. Further, the ideas behind Neuropath are vitally important and need to be challenged and discussed.

So, for me, the Forum is a forward observation post of sorts. I can observe the development of ideas that concern me.

Plus, good people are involved. It's a good place.

Also, what Tao said!


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Regarding TNG, there's a good chance you are correct. Those still hoping for a tell-all final installment will probably be disappointed, again, and will probably have a cool little book burning party and feel personally assaulted by the lack thereof - including some people here.

That group will include me, I'm sure. I'll be sure to send you photos of me feeding my copies of TSA into the bonfire.

Nice snark, Wilshire. But I'm pretty used to ambiguous resolutions. Modernism is not exactly a new game, you know. On the level of feeling personally assaulted,  it ranks level with watching a car driving ahead of me with its blinker on for mile after mile. Annoying, but that's life.

Cheers!
Lmao, I always wish there was some way I could tell 'that guy' that his blinker was on.

I was intending to be funny, rather than snarky (might have missed the mark though), and not specifically referring to anyone in particular. In fact, last round we got a handful of people that came, registered, and made a post just so they could have someone to yell at - I expect this will be the case again. Still though, I'd be more surprised if there weren't at least some regulars around here that feel as I have said. Anyways, at least for that first group, I really did sense that some felt a deep, personal betrayal, and just with the blinker guy, I wish there was something I could do to help.

Full disclosure, I don't know what modernism is ;) .

Literary modernism entails, among other things, radical narrative experimentation (multiple POVs, ambiguous resolutions, discontinuous narrative structure, etc.). By now, they're familiar literary devices. Their use in genre fiction is relatively recent, to be sure. And Bakker absolutely raises the stakes by positing an absolutely "unhappy ending" to his saga.

The creation and reading of fictions is deeply personal, and you correctly recognize the real pain some fictions create for their readers. Book-burning....maybe a step too far in dealing with the pain. I just put TUC on the shelf and will leave it there for....who knows, but quite a while. I watched "Memento" one time, and I was so distraught by the protagonist's predicament that I've never watched the movie again.


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I don't give a rat's ass about Blind Brain Theory and what not. Crash Space....just don't give a shit. I really don't. And, i won't fake like I know what I'm talking about when it comes to it, either.

That's a blurb, MSJ! If RSB ever publishes his philosophical essays, that's the blurb I want to see on the dust jacket.

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Regarding TNG, there's a good chance you are correct. Those still hoping for a tell-all final installment will probably be disappointed, again, and will probably have a cool little book burning party and feel personally assaulted by the lack thereof - including some people here.

That group will include me, I'm sure. I'll be sure to send you photos of me feeding my copies of TSA into the bonfire.

Nice snark, Wilshire. But I'm pretty used to ambiguous resolutions. Modernism is not exactly a new game, you know. On the level of feeling personally assaulted,  it ranks level with watching a car driving ahead of me with its blinker on for mile after mile. Annoying, but that's life.

Cheers!

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: Exhuman Inquiries
« on: November 01, 2017, 05:14:56 pm »
The Stoics would have a good laugh at the lameness of EFILism.

Yeah, I'd tend to lump myself in with Stoic thought, if I was apt to lump myself in anywhere.

Right on! "Suck it up, buttercup!"

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: Exhuman Inquiries
« on: November 01, 2017, 05:07:57 pm »
Short answer, Tao: Existence is pain. Pain is to be avoided. Don't exist.

Well, it's easy to short circuit that though: exist in a non-painful way.

I imagine they'd retort with something about that not being possible.  Maybe it's not, I don't know.  I mean, I do know I am almost constantly in pain from something or other.  I guess my "out" is that I really don't care about it.

The Stoics would have a good laugh at the lameness of EFILism.

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: Exhuman Inquiries
« on: November 01, 2017, 04:49:42 pm »
Short answer, Tao: Existence is pain. Pain is to be avoided. Don't exist.

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: Exhuman Inquiries
« on: November 01, 2017, 04:47:12 pm »
It's just another identity for a subset of people who can't fit in with the world, yet lack the intellect to realize that humans, or living matter for that sake, is not ontologically different from the rest of matter.
Just another set of identity-clothes, lacking any true ambition.

We may not differ ontologically, but that's not the only measuring stick, imho. Self-consciousness and the ability to use the first-person case make a huge difference.

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: Exhuman Inquiries
« on: November 01, 2017, 02:00:02 pm »
Clicked on the link provided by JamesA01. I learn that EFILism is a belief that all sentient life is best ended. No genocide, at least not yet; suicide is recommended to all.

I'll take a pass on that viewpoint.

ETA: JamesA01 notes that EFILism does not recommend suicide. That is true, and I regret the error. Life is viewed as an unjustifiable imposition on those who are born. There's more, but....life's too short, imho.

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: Exhuman Inquiries
« on: October 31, 2017, 11:48:25 pm »
I don't think scientific reductionism and the attack on intentionality is a laughing matter, that's all. But I need to engage more civilly.

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