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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 30, 2018, 03:09:50 am »
Btw, Conditioned, welcome back!

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Curator of Butterflies, by Big Big Train https://g.co/kgs/vfC4MS

Simply one of the saddest, yet most beautiful songs I've heard. This goes out to Koringhus, and to all those yearning for......

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 29, 2018, 11:32:26 pm »
Sorry, Conditioned, we derailed your thread.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 29, 2018, 11:31:00 pm »
From David Reich's article:

"If scientists can be confident of anything, it is that whatever we currently believe about the genetic nature of differences among populations is most likely wrong."

From my reading of the Reich article, I'm confident that he would take issue with your absolutist stance on what genetic science does or does not support, Tleilaxu.
Maybe he's a racist too then.

Just to be clear, do you believe that there is a genetic basis for the difference between black and white intelligence?

You need to formulate your questions with more care. There is no "black" intelligence. There is no "white" intelligence. Try again.

I will say, as a layman, that I believe intellectual capacity/aptitude is hereditary in some degree. That would seem to be a non-controversial statement, but in a time where Sam Harris gets labelled as a racist apparently because he failed to distance himself sufficiently from Charles Murray, who is apparently beyond the pale, perhaps it is not.

It's pretty clear from David Reich's article and from his work that scientists are currently finding genetic differences among various population groups. What these differences amount to, I haven't a clue. But Reich did note the much more significant biological (and, hence, genetic) differences between men and women. More landmines, I'm afraid. Is David Reich "sexist" as well as "racist", Tleilaxu?
The problem is just that in this age of (mis)information there's a lot of people who invoke the science card to justify political/ideological agendas. They say it's all in the science, all in the genetics, to justify e.g. their beliefs in women having specific gender roles. David Reich showcased some nice examples in his article.

When you refer to those people that use the "science" card to justify political/ideological agendas, would that group include climate change alarmists? If not, why not?

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 29, 2018, 07:24:06 pm »
From David Reich's article:

"If scientists can be confident of anything, it is that whatever we currently believe about the genetic nature of differences among populations is most likely wrong."

From my reading of the Reich article, I'm confident that he would take issue with your absolutist stance on what genetic science does or does not support, Tleilaxu.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 29, 2018, 06:51:21 pm »
Tleilaxu, you didn't "call out" Sam Harris as a racist. "Calling out" would require some evidence, wouldn't it? You just made an unsupported allegation. You said, "Also, Sam Harris is a racist." End scene.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 29, 2018, 12:15:05 pm »
Here is an actual expert in the field of intelligence weighing in on the Klein/Harris/Murray matter. Richard Haier is referenced in the Harris blog post upstream, and this was Haier's offered contribution to Vox that was rejected.
http://quillette.com/2017/06/11/no-voice-vox-sense-nonsense-discussing-iq-race/

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 29, 2018, 01:45:22 am »
I just want to compliment Conditioned on his measured response to Tleilaxu. His take on why Harris interviewed Murray in the first place is exactly correct. Well said.

Also a shout out to Tao, who notes the bravery needed to face down the hordes shouting "Racist!". Amen, brother.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 29, 2018, 01:39:50 am »
Here's Andrew Sullivan objecting to Ezra Klein's article in Vox:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/denying-genetics-isnt-shutting-down-racism-its-fueling-it.html

I don't think that the relationship between genetic science and the heritability of intelligence is crystal clear at this moment in time; certainly Harvard geneticist David Reich believes it to be an open question (according to Sullivan's summary). So let's not shut down the debate by waving the bloody shirt of racism, OK?

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 29, 2018, 12:20:50 am »
I'm really not interested in pursuing this matter with you much further, Tleilaxu. I don't care for your style. I guess you see nothing wrong with baldly stating "So-and-so is a racist".

Here's a long post from Sam Harris that contains 1) the email exchange between Harris and Ezra Klein (editor at Vox); and 2) two podcasts that further the discussion (the second being a 2 hr. podcast with Harris and Klein)

https://samharris.org/ezra-klein-editor-chief/

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Thelli, I forgot: We needed a Nurbanu Ze POV during the Great Ordeal's Sranc-induced mass hysteria!

Note to self: fanfic featuring Nurbanu Ze, who is clearly a buddy of Zreius enghs. Nurbanu Joe + Zorro = kick-ass comedy!

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Bakker and Harris
« on: May 28, 2018, 09:44:05 pm »
There's actually nothing "racist" about Charles Murray, for that matter, regardless of what the herd of independent minds believes to be the case.

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I would have liked a Kaytas POV, but maybe we'll get one in the "next series" (assuming I should live so long.... 😕)

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TDTCB Chapter 5
« on: May 20, 2018, 03:21:52 am »
Just quickly popping back into this thread to add the body count (I'm taking over with BFK's approval).

Chapter Five Body Count: None (unless you count those unfortunate sparrows).

Or the ten bulls being slaughtered by Arithmeas, the Imperial Auger.  ;)

Thanks, Thelli!

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Roger Scruton
« on: May 19, 2018, 08:02:58 pm »
A lot of Roger Scruton's articles are reprinted (for free) by The Imaginative Conservative. Here's one:
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/01/heart-of-music.html

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