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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: October 19, 2018, 03:13:02 pm »
Finished The Heart Forger (21), by Rin Chupeco. Great follow up to the first. This is a very unique story, told in multiple timelines. And, I can't put them down once starting.

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Quote from:  Wilshire
Also, where even the other schoolmen saw Kellhus as a god, and the Mandate a sovereign, the Diamos set those who could wield it apart, and Kellhus never actually summoned anything of particular interest. Could be that this particular skill was not enhanced by the Dunyain intellect. This makes Iyokus some kind of proof that Kellhus is just a human. Plenty of reasons to keep him far away.

You don't think he summoned the Ciphrang he wears on his belt? I'd say he did. I'd also say that Iyokus didn't want the company of others after having his eyes tore out by Akka. And, that's the reason we don't see him. It could be the reasons you suggest. But, I think the reasons are far simpler. As with most answers we get from Bakker.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: October 08, 2018, 12:43:44 pm »
Finished Caine Black Knife(20), by Matthew Stover. Really good book. I liked it alot more than the torture porn that is Blade of Tyshalle. Quick fun read for anyone out there. Though, I suspect you need to read the previous two first.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TWP Chapter 9
« on: October 07, 2018, 08:01:31 pm »
Quote from:  TheCulminatingApe
the Imprompta are Kellhus' sermons, should we take them at face value?
Is there a point where Kellhus' fake compassion becomes indistinguishable from the real thing?  If he is playing on people's real emotions, and providing meaning, purpose and definition to lives, are the results genuine, irrespective of the motive?
Does Kellhus actually believe he is a prophet?

Yes, he does... he is more.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 30, 2018, 03:24:14 pm »
@Wilshire, I said in an earlier post that I couldn't wait for the sequel to The Unhewn Throne. Er, I've read the trilogy. Lmao, guess I was confusing it with another trilogy.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 25, 2018, 12:29:04 pm »
Raining here like it has for the past half a year and I dug into The Bone Witch, by Rin Chupeco(19). Fucking brilliant, I must say. First in the installment of a trilogy.

It follows a young unsuspecting "Bone Witch" and her trials and tribulations to become a asha in the Dark arts, which is very rare and a necessity and curse all wrapped into one.

I can't recommend this enough. Like, stop what your reading and pick this up.

ETA: and if you can guess the protagonist of this book...you're fucking brilliant! :)

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 25, 2018, 12:23:56 pm »
@SmilerLoki,  I won't say you're wrong, but I think that's why I enjoyed it so much. See, every "new age" dark, gritty fantasy, all we see is grey characters. It was refreshing to read some bullshit I guess. I was quite fond of it.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 24, 2018, 10:15:58 pm »
@SmilerLoki, I couldn't convert you, could I? ;)

I enjoyed Tavi as a character, and I was invested in his story/development, etc... I thought the ending came together well enough, though a little out there for a few chapters.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 24, 2018, 08:10:56 pm »
Quote from:  Wilshire
The Fifth Season (Broken Earth 1) N. K. Jemisin (33)
This was a great book. Or at least, the plot was very interesting - I was really sucked into it - and the worldbuilding seemed to be pretty deep - if left mostly mysterious. The magic was quite fun as well. Writing/prose was not the best, but she did some great things with  perspective (who writes in 2nd person??) and timeline, which made it a fun read. Highly recommended.

Then you'll be pleased with the sequels. Because the depth and mystery of that world is revealed. And, it's pretty damn cool.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 22, 2018, 08:41:37 pm »
Finished Red Seas Under Red Skies, by Scott Lycnh(18). So so, book. Not a whole lot to comment on. I do like the interaction between Locke and Jean, though.

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Literature / Re: Steven Erikson (The 3.5 million word journey?)
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:58:54 pm »
Figured this the best place to post this. But, Erikson has just released a new sci-fi novel Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart.

Here's the link, http://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2018/09/rejoice-knife-to-heart-by-steven-erikson.html

ETA: not released, will be in October.

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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TWP Chapter 6
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:54:19 pm »
Quote from:  Wilshire
Also, looks like many have abandoned you on the path TheCulminatingApe.

Indeed. I for one feel awful about skating on the reread. I guess I don't have much of an excuse since it's only a chapter a week. I just find myself finding and reading new content that I can't put down, or don't want to.

For what is worth, I have been following and reading all of TheCulminatingApe's posts. They are excellent and detailed. I love the new perspective.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: September 15, 2018, 02:18:15 pm »
Quote from:  SmilerLoki
My understanding of your post also was, it might be that the No-God itself is just a tool to reduce the population to the blessed 144k, with no other function. Which would mean the 144k is what needs to be achieved, not the No-God. Personally, i don't think so, as I've outlined above. But that's in no way certain, and is mainly based on the fact that the existence of the No-God even without the world being reduced to the 144k has a certain effect on the great cycle of souls, which involves the Outside. Additionally, there is that whole "invisible to the Gods" thing.

Bakker said in a Q&A that when the Inchies inoculated the Nonmen and it resulted in the death of the females;  that they then found a dread function for the No-God. I assume that means that no births will occur during the rise of the No-God.

I have seen theories upon theories about 144,000. It's the only reason I mentioned it. One, that during Akka's dream where Nayu is a wretch in line, being led to the Golden Room, that the Consult was feeding the No-God. And, once it had 144,000 souls it would rise. We now know that's patently false.

The Outside is not shut, correct. Bakker has even stated that the gods can function, as you've said. But, the No-God has stopped the cycle of souls, hence the still births. To shut the Outside, it would seem that the No-Gods purpose is to whittle the population down to 144,000. It's like a threshold needed to shut the Gods off from the Inside (Earwa).

Again, I never expect to get the how's of things, only the why's.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: September 14, 2018, 11:55:56 pm »
@SmilerLoki, I wasn't implying that you meant that. Sorry, if it sounded that way. ;)

But, over the years discussing these books, many are confused as to what the prophecy about 144,000 was about. Just read a few threads and you'll get what I'm talking about.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:14:18 pm »
Quote from:  SmilerLoki
It's a strange thing. Yes, the No-God does something with birth, though we don't know what. But just by being there it doesn't close the world. Sorcery is contingent on the Outside and still works, the Gods are able to act and were able in the First Apocalypse, I'm pretty sure Ciphrang can still be summoned, and also, as dragharrow succinctly put it above, if it was enough for the No-God to just exist to prevent souls from going to Hell (or, much less likely, Heaven), the whole Apocalypse and 144k thing would've been totally unnecessary.

Considering all of this, I don't think it is correct to say that the world is closed in any way.

All of that is true, just I have a thought on the above bolded. It's said/prophesied that once the population is below 144,000 then Earwa is shut from the Outside. Hence, the No-God. The means to reduce the population to below 144,000. That is the plan of the Consult/Mutilated, to free themselves of damnation. That number was never needed to raise the No-God, it is the goal.

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