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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: November 13, 2018, 08:48:52 pm »
Quote from:  H
That fact that what it shows you is true doesn't mean it isn't a goad though.  It being The Goad only speaks to the likely fact that while it shows you a truth, that doesn't have to be The Truth.  In other words, it will show almost everyone as Damned, but that doesn't mean no one could be saved.

Right, exactly what we learn through Koringhus. What I was actually meaning, was I never expected for anyone to actually see themselves in the IF.

I thought it purely a goad. A Tekne invention that showed what hell might be like. I was very surprised when Kellhus seen himself. So, I imagine "some" link to the Outside does exist.

Maybe not? Maybe Kellhus seen what he wanted to see. Who knows? His is the only experience we actually get any description of basically. Maybe you see what you want. I do understand your explanation, though.

The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« on: November 13, 2018, 06:31:23 pm »
Quote from:  SmilerLoki
It's precisely because such a Tekne artifact exists that I think the Progenitors had a theoretical understanding of damnation and the Outside from the Tekne point of view. I don't think it's prophesy, I think it's a scientific theoretical framework supported be experimental work. Since they were able to create the Inverse Fire, which does interface with the Outside, that framework appears to be workable at least to an extent.

There was always the line of thinking that it was just a goad. But, I think Kellhus seeing himself as a hunger, puts that theory to rest.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: November 08, 2018, 06:33:48 am »
Finished Excalibur, Cornwell. (24) That finishes up the Warlord trilogy. By far the best Arthur story I've ever read or watched. Would love to see it as a film. Highly recommend this to everyone.

ETA: Derfel of Cadarn is the man!

Philosophy & Science / Re: The Best from "Quillette"
« on: November 05, 2018, 07:44:54 pm »
Quote from:  H
Well, we don't really need to get into a debate about if it actually exists or not.  The question really is, how determinable and able to be manipulated is our will, generally.  Not individually.  Of course, any individual is capable of deciding whatever.  But, the fact that people are generally predictable and so generally manipulable, must speak to something.

If we wanna turn this into a thread on manipulation, well I have scores of stories. None good.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: November 02, 2018, 08:35:12 pm »
Finished The Enemy of God, by Cornwell. (23)  2nd book in the Warlord Trilogy. Great books.

Philosophy & Science / Re: The Best from "Quillette"
« on: November 01, 2018, 02:31:03 am »
Quote from:  H
That's part of the problem though.  How can we identify when liberalism goes too far?  When group identity is more important than personal identity?  Where do we stand to get the proper perspective?  I think the answer has to be somewhere in the middle, but who can be in the middle and then judge?  They'd just be decried as too conservative.  That's the problem when everything is too polar, there is no middle to mitigate extremism on either side.  But it serves both sides to rip anyone in the middle to shreds because the polarity is the source of power.

I really like this explanation, on what I think is the entire problem with politics in the U.S..

I won't pretend to be smart enough to add anything significant enough other than my opinion. But, if I have ever stated that my views lie in the center (relative to the far right & left), I HAVE been viewed as having no real opinion. Which I find to be bullocks. Because, if I can look at an issue and see both sides does that mean that I have no real view on it? I do. It's only that I know the only way to reach a sensible solution is to meet somewhere in the middle. Hopefully, with a little more swinging your way. If not, we're left at a standstill. Exactly where politics stand today. No one willing to budge on their viewpoint, not willing to meet in the middle. It will be the downfall of us, I'm sure, if it doesn't change.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: October 29, 2018, 11:02:14 pm »
Just got through with The Winter King, by Bernard Cornwell (22). Of course, everyone knows the story of Aurthur. But, as historical fiction, this story gets a different twist. I quite enjoyed it.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: October 19, 2018, 03:13:02 pm »
Finished The Heart Forger (21), by Rin Chupeco. Great follow up to the first. This is a very unique story, told in multiple timelines. And, I can't put them down once starting.

Quote from:  Wilshire
Also, where even the other schoolmen saw Kellhus as a god, and the Mandate a sovereign, the Diamos set those who could wield it apart, and Kellhus never actually summoned anything of particular interest. Could be that this particular skill was not enhanced by the Dunyain intellect. This makes Iyokus some kind of proof that Kellhus is just a human. Plenty of reasons to keep him far away.

You don't think he summoned the Ciphrang he wears on his belt? I'd say he did. I'd also say that Iyokus didn't want the company of others after having his eyes tore out by Akka. And, that's the reason we don't see him. It could be the reasons you suggest. But, I think the reasons are far simpler. As with most answers we get from Bakker.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: October 08, 2018, 12:43:44 pm »
Finished Caine Black Knife(20), by Matthew Stover. Really good book. I liked it alot more than the torture porn that is Blade of Tyshalle. Quick fun read for anyone out there. Though, I suspect you need to read the previous two first.

The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TWP Chapter 9
« on: October 07, 2018, 08:01:31 pm »
Quote from:  TheCulminatingApe
the Imprompta are Kellhus' sermons, should we take them at face value?
Is there a point where Kellhus' fake compassion becomes indistinguishable from the real thing?  If he is playing on people's real emotions, and providing meaning, purpose and definition to lives, are the results genuine, irrespective of the motive?
Does Kellhus actually believe he is a prophet?

Yes, he does... he is more.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 30, 2018, 03:24:14 pm »
@Wilshire, I said in an earlier post that I couldn't wait for the sequel to The Unhewn Throne. Er, I've read the trilogy. Lmao, guess I was confusing it with another trilogy.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 25, 2018, 12:29:04 pm »
Raining here like it has for the past half a year and I dug into The Bone Witch, by Rin Chupeco(19). Fucking brilliant, I must say. First in the installment of a trilogy.

It follows a young unsuspecting "Bone Witch" and her trials and tribulations to become a asha in the Dark arts, which is very rare and a necessity and curse all wrapped into one.

I can't recommend this enough. Like, stop what your reading and pick this up.

ETA: and if you can guess the protagonist of this're fucking brilliant! :)

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 25, 2018, 12:23:56 pm »
@SmilerLoki,  I won't say you're wrong, but I think that's why I enjoyed it so much. See, every "new age" dark, gritty fantasy, all we see is grey characters. It was refreshing to read some bullshit I guess. I was quite fond of it.

Literature / Re: Yearly Targets 2018
« on: September 24, 2018, 10:15:58 pm »
@SmilerLoki, I couldn't convert you, could I? ;)

I enjoyed Tavi as a character, and I was invested in his story/development, etc... I thought the ending came together well enough, though a little out there for a few chapters.

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