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Hello all, long- time lurker, first-time poster (postee?). I must admit the offer of The Great Ordeal is what brought me out.
I started my third re-read when I found the second apocalypse podcasts, and have been slogging along behind the forum. I'll try to find more time to add to those threads as I finish up WLW, and retread the new chapters!
Greetings fine wise men of the SA. I've been covertly mining this forum for years for thoughts on Bakker's works and have finally decided to join the strip mining of smarter posters than me for insight.
Yes, I'm part of the unwashed Srancesque horde come due to the Advanced Reader Copy. But I do hope to engage in proper discussion eventually, though given the depth and breadth of what I've seen round here I think it'll take time before I can join in!
In truth, I'd feel rather guilty winning this competition, given that I'm only partway through my first re-read of the series and there's much more ravenous fans them me around. Ok, not that guilty, still wanna win this thing. Never had an ARC, it's all prestigious and shit. Now to think up questions...
First picked up the Darkness that Comes Before 3 years ago and tore through the series. I think I'd seen it heartily recommended (and hotly debated) over at Westeros.org, which I sometimes lurk around. No doubt there were many, many things I missed entirely on my first read through given all the layers and my lack of philosophical knowledge, but I've enjoyed the series greatly. Oddly enough I didn't realize this place existed, never did the research I suppose. I'll be getting reading through these threads soon, though recommendations on where to start would be nice!
Hey guys. Long time reader, short time lurker. Love the series. Already got two of my friends hooked on it. Thought id say hi and post some comments and questions ive tallied up during my readings. pretty aspect emperor heavy so i'll put a spoiler tag in case(click to show/hide)So the mark doesn’t equate to damnation since chorae have a deep mark and are sorcerous items but going by the JE they are god’s own tears though this doesn’t actually tell us if sorcerers themselves are damned. Guess we have to wait and see whether mimara glimpses a socerer that isn’t damned.
Mimara sees snakes as holy….are cish holy for their affinity for snakes
Kellhus shows us his own inverse fire….is this a prelude to what the consult inverse fire is. Long distance communication with the black heavens.….an emptiness that lets people peer out or into someplace else. Damnation-scope
Mimara claims it wasn’t the betrayal of the nonmen that created the topoi in the mountain but rather the generations of human slaves the nonmen used. Just interesting because akka assumes wrong stuff all the time. Misdirection for the reader I guess.
The judging eye is a thing of women that will give birth to stillborn children….but mimara had the judging eye well before she became pregnant. Is this a result of mimara herself being born even tho esmi was using the whore’s shell.
In chapt 1 of the UC akka talks about how when souls are trapped into objects like wathi dolls etc
“ The intricacies of identity are always sheared away. Memory. Faculty. Character. These are cast into the pit... Only the most base urges survive in proxies.”
Just like the nonman revenant created on the topoi under the mountain dreaming he was a god but with a hunger and speaking through the unconscious akka etc
Just like the no-god created in golgotterath (known topoi according to akkas dreams) speaking through scranc, wracu etc. asking who he is
i.e. is the no-god a big ol soul trap.
Also is wutteat a temporary storage bank for souls of the inchora if hell sustains him from within and he refuses to die until salvation is achieved. (I’ve read some theories already but thought I’d remention)
finally what is with the glow around kellhus's hands. the first time the books mention a halo its serwe noticing them on the skin spy mimic of kellhus. clearly thats just serwe's insanity bleeding through but then the next time they are mentioned by kellhus himself after his ordeal on the tree and pulling out serwe's heart from his robe...right after his mind broke. latter when kel is talkin to his pa he mentioned seeing the halo about his hands all the time. We know some of his followers see the halo...even aka glimpses it on occasion but some people see it all the time and others only intermittently.
point im getting to is that it seems to me that the halo is evidenced by people who are probably insane. serwe and kel included. but madness in earwa isnt an objective discredit to people seeing the halo. it has a metaphysical component. when Cnaiür recalls akkas tutorial on madness
" Each man, he explained, was a kind of hole in existence, a point where the Outside penetrated the world. He tapped one of the beads with his finger. It broke, staining the surrounding parchment. When the trials of the world broke men, he explained, the Outside leaked into the world. This, he had said, was madness."
so i guess im saying that kelhus is mad and that thru him the outside is leaking into the world hence the halo that people sometimes see. this differs to sorcery but is more like the way the godess yatwer can do some pretty freaky/crazy stuff but we dont necessarily call it sorcery.
Anyways. that was a good rant of all my different theories. let me know what you guys think
cant wait for TUC. the delay is killing me lol
I love these books and have turned several of my friends on to the series. That being said, I have read a ton of books since the White Luck Warrior and would really appreciate it if anyone can point me in the direction of some synopsis or refresher for the last book or two to get ready to jump right into the new book next month. I looked around a little bit and didn't see what I was looking for. Any help is seriously, greatly appreciated!
I just picked up the first book of the SA series about two months ago, and I just finished the 5 currently published books.
I discovered the series through a mention on the Westeros.org forums, and also by googling for fantasy maps. (I'm a real map nerd) What piqued my interest was a mention of the there being sci-fi elements of the story, which made it sound interesting... I'm primarily a Sci-Fi reader that does not care much for fantasy in general. I read LOTR before the film trilogy, and then didn't really read much until I picked up GRRM's ASOIAF shortly before the show started on HBO. The world-building aspects of fantasy has to be VERY good, otherwise I just won't bother, and it was pointed out that Bakker's SA was of similar quality as GRRM's work. And I agree, although Bakker has different strengths (and weaknesses) compared to GRRM.
But I'm a big fan now, and I'm about to start my re-read of the series. I have this nasty habit of skimming boring parts (certain POVs) when reading the first time, so I know I'll pick up a LOT more the 2nd time around.
Anyway, I hope to contribute to this forum more in the near future, but I may not have much to write until I finish my re-read (and TGO).
I've lurked here a long time & finally decide to join in. I'm in the UK; after a wait of five years (was it really that long?) I purchased TGO from Amazon in the US.
It didn't disappoint! Phew! Now it's another year to go to The Unholy Consult. Argh.
New to the forum but too big a fan of the series not to partake.
I thought I was clever at 3am coming up with the username 'Ogo' ('the logos is without beginning or end') but in the harsh light of day I feel slightly less so!