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General Earwa / Re: TSA related art and stuff. (VI)
« Last post by Ciogli on February 21, 2018, 08:05:26 pm »
I have the picture you want but I do not know how to post it.

EDIT: (Moderator note) I removed the "link" because that is just the file's location on your local computer.  You can upload it to a third party site, like Imgur.com, or other image hosting site.
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I've heard, anecdotally, that Bakker had no POVs of Kellhus in an early draft of TDTCB, but people were too sympathetic to Kellhus. Without the Kellhus POV, the reader just assumes he's 'the good guy'. I think this happens in TAE though - and it really caught people off guard like you said. Its so easy to assume he's omnipotent, working for the greater good, etc. etc., absent his own admissions to total insanity. Even once we start getting into it post WLW, its almost too late - its nearly impossible to convince people otherwise once they've made up their minds.

TWP, same sentiment otherwise.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by Madness on February 21, 2018, 02:37:05 pm »
as an Alia analogue being the case...

But also yes, Alia resurgence would be great.

Except, sadly, on the AMA Bakker was somehow surprised regarding the Qirri/Mimara's baby Spice/Alia connection :(.

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Welcome to the Second Apocalypse, Doulou. Apologies, glad you finally made it ;).

Well, the Glossary "head swapping" incident sure seems like a tantalizing clue, but we really don't know what it means, if anything.

Correct. But that combined with the series of deaths, is the stuff of theory legend!!!!!

Honestly - not reflecting any impressions Bakker's given me about TNG, truly in nerdanel territory here - FB makes a great case for Kellhus collecting Decapitants and Malowebi's tale explicitly shows a head being swapped out to no one's notice at least once. Shortly after reading TUC draft (or even TGO ARC) MG even suggested that Kellhus escaped in Ciphrang-Malowebi. It'd be extremely fun to read about Kellhus escaping death - albeit for a time - in the various Ciphrang-Characters he's littered around akin to Seswatha forestalling his own death via the Grasping/Mandate.

EDIT: But to reaffirm, I believe Bakker was more suggesting that, to paraphrase myself, the Ministrate has a scroll that reads "break, in event of my death" from Kellhus. I really want a Ministrate Atrocity Tale at least. The Winter Soldier of Earwa stories.
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The Great Ordeal / Re: Chapter 6 reread, comments on Fanayal
« Last post by Madness on February 21, 2018, 01:48:43 pm »
I read that section as "he wants to strike her, but he is so influenced by her that he couldn't bring himself to do it, even though every bit of him wants to."  So he started the motion, but stopped himself mid strike "as if his wrists were strung"  His groaning is him realizing how ensnared he is.

You know, I think there really is some thaumaturgy/God-expressed agency going on there.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by MSJ on February 19, 2018, 11:25:41 pm »
Well, the Glossary "head swapping" incident sure seems like a tantalizing clue, but we really don't know what it means, if anything.

Correct. But that combined with the series of deaths, is the stuff of theory legend!!!!!
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If you take time out of the equation, then the only way anything can change is for the entire universe to be remade from the ground up. Including all your memories and knowledge, meaning you can never be aware of the change. That's what being one of the Hundred is like.

As I've said before, mortals are divided by moments, the Gods by whole Realities.

+1
This is a great thought.
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Doulou - Welcome to the forum. Great post :) .

I've long been an advocate for pointing out Kellhus' mediocrity. His plans from the start are deeply flawed and for being some kind of supposed super-genius, he relies on happenstance and blind luck quite a bit.

I think its worth pointing out that your description of the reader's view of Kellhus in TAE (20 years! How much power must he have now!) matches up so precisely with how Kellhus himself felt regarding Moenghus at the start of PON. Their journeys mirror each other so exactly its almost comical. Kellhus swaps places with Moenghus in TAE, all the up to the Golden - even up through the 'reveal all' conversation and then being choraed by someone right at the end ;) .

I've heard, anecdotally, that Bakker had no POVs of Kellhus in an early draft of TDTCB, but people were too sympathetic to Kellhus. Without the Kellhus POV, the reader just assumes he's 'the good guy'. I think this happens in TAE though - and it really caught people off guard like you said. Its so easy to assume he's omnipotent, working for the greater good, etc. etc., absent his own admissions to total insanity. Even once we start getting into it post WLW, its almost too late - its nearly impossible to convince people otherwise once they've made up their minds.

This is how we end up getting the ending that was exactly as expected, dramatically foreshadowed to the point of telegraphing, and its still (largely) as a major 'twist'/'shock' ending .

Hope you stick around and post more, Doulou :) .
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Great post and welcome to the forum.  I think that it isn't just a lack of POV from Kellhus, but also the fact that he is clearly, head-and-shoulders above anyone else in power-level.  What we couldn't really know is how that power-level compared directly to a god.  Of course we are left to assume that Kellhus has the answers, because we see him have them, until we see him not.

I do think the "spiritually weak" quote is a bit overblown though.  I don't think Kellhus soul is particularly weak, in so far as it is just as mundane as anyone else's.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by H on February 19, 2018, 12:00:13 pm »
Well, the Glossary "head swapping" incident sure seems like a tantalizing clue, but we really don't know what it means, if anything.
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General Earwa / Re: Visualizing the Inverse Fire
« Last post by MSJ on February 19, 2018, 09:43:45 am »
Cool a shit. But, I would never have the patience to finish such an endeavor.
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