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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by TaoHorror on August 15, 2018, 12:59:13 pm »
not only could the work not suffer, it could well soar.

My problem is, I don't see positive examples, only negative ones.

So you're perpetually disappointed with translations, I take it. Kaufmann's translations of Nietzsche into English were quite the read ( back in the day, appears he's under scrutiny as of late ) and there are examples of translations being "better" then the original work as the translator needs to be more than bi-lingual, but be a writer in their own right. So you don't read Russian translations of any American books? Recommend you consider as learning English is cool and all, but reading an American novel in English would not be the same as reading it as an American would. I'm not going to learn Russian so I can read Dostoevsky, it would not be the same as reading it as "a Russian". Translations are my best course. Learning Russian would be cool, don't get me wrong - but doing so to read Russian novels in the original Russian language would not proffer the experience of a native reading it - even if I mastered Russian, immersed myself in Russian culture, living in Russia for decades, I would not be reading it as a Russian.

I digress - well, if you're comfortable in your cage, I won't let you out.  ;)
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by SmilerLoki on August 15, 2018, 12:03:58 pm »
not only could the work not suffer, it could well soar.
That's why I can agree only in theory. It could, yes, but I have never seen that happen.

And it's not that I model my taste, I save my time. I'm really not able to read anything there is to read, so if there is little chance for something to be good, I avoid it. It's not strict, I can be persuaded to change my stance on a particular work. Like, I've finished the first book of "Codex Alera" even taking into account I initially judged it really boring. But I had some suspicions about the series getting more to my liking somewhere along the line, and MSJ was able to confirm them. But that's much more than I can say about spin-offs or sequels written by other writers.

I have another example. I love "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (it's a TV Show), so naturally, when Joss Whedon (the creator of Buffy) decided to continue it as a comic after the show was cancelled, I tried it out. And discovered that it doesn't work in another medium. Like, it had everything I enjoyed about a Joss Whedon's show, except it didn't work. Without living actors actually speaking all of his - usually great - lines they felt empty and artificial. There was nothing left where before I'd seen endearing characters. In this example, the original author remained, only the medium changed.

My problem is, I don't see positive examples, only negative ones.
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by TaoHorror on August 15, 2018, 11:44:49 am »
I hear ya - for every one that's a gem, there's probably 10 that are abominations. But that doesn't stop me from prohibiting myself from having expectations.
There are correlations, though. For example, when a series starts to employ other authors than the original one(s), its quality suffers. I've seen it with "DragonLance" (important, because that series was way, way less than stellar to begin with), with many anthologies "in the world of" Tolkien, even with "The Wheel of Time". Granted, the last one was inevitable since the original author died before finishing the series. And I'm saying this while considering Brandon Sanderson a good writer and being very grateful for his work on "The Wheel of Time".

And then there are series that employ many writers from the start. To date, I haven't read anything good from that crowd.

It's not about not giving people a chance to create good works, it's about empirical evidence. Essentially, I agree with Martin here. It's better for writers to create their own worlds. Gives them more freedom, at the same time requiring more thought and discipline.

I don't share your self imposed modeling of taste, I follow no rules, I don't resign myself to disappointment before reviewing the work - I'm open to anything, including another author jumping in to finish an author's work, not only could the work not suffer, it could well soar.
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by SmilerLoki on August 15, 2018, 11:32:10 am »
I hear ya - for every one that's a gem, there's probably 10 that are abominations. But that doesn't stop me from prohibiting myself from having expectations.
There are correlations, though. For example, when a series starts to employ other authors than the original one(s), its quality suffers. I've seen it with "DragonLance" (important, because that series was way, way less than stellar to begin with), with many anthologies "in the world of" Tolkien, even with "The Wheel of Time". Granted, the last one was inevitable since the original author died before finishing the series. And I'm saying this while considering Brandon Sanderson a good writer and being very grateful for his work on "The Wheel of Time".

And then there are series that employ many writers from the start. To date, I haven't read anything good from that crowd.

It's not about not giving people a chance to create good works, it's about empirical evidence. Essentially, I agree with Martin here. It's better for writers to create their own worlds. Gives them more freedom, at the same time requiring more thought and discipline.
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by TaoHorror on August 15, 2018, 10:58:44 am »
I don't put restrictions on artistic expression. There have been several fine interpretations of art that are great. I judge the work for what it is without consulting crowd opinion and/or relationship to the original artist.
Theoretically, I agree. In practice, I got burned so often that a defense has formed.

I hear ya - for every one that's a gem, there's probably 10 that are abominations. But that doesn't stop me from prohibiting myself from having expectations.
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by SmilerLoki on August 15, 2018, 04:07:42 am »
I don't put restrictions on artistic expression. There have been several fine interpretations of art that are great. I judge the work for what it is without consulting crowd opinion and/or relationship to the original artist.
Theoretically, I agree. In practice, I got burned so often that a defense has formed.
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by Jabberwock03 on August 14, 2018, 08:33:10 pm »
Even if the book are enough for the main story, wouldn't you like to see a spinoff in another format?
As a general rule, I detest spin-offs. It they involve other authors, I don't acknowledge their existence altogether.

In my mind, it was obvious that Bakker would be at the story part of the new media.
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by TaoHorror on August 14, 2018, 05:28:33 pm »
Even if the book are enough for the main story, wouldn't you like to see a spinoff in another format?
As a general rule, I detest spin-offs. It they involve other authors, I don't acknowledge their existence altogether.

I don't put restrictions on artistic expression. There have been several fine interpretations of art that are great. I judge the work for what it is without consulting crowd opinion and/or relationship to the original artist.

To the OP: Episodic TV ( like GoT ). I think cable tv has drawn amazing talent over the last decade and could pull it off nicely.
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by TLEILAXU on August 14, 2018, 04:24:28 pm »
Just having the book series is fine for me, but what it does need is more publicity and a broader audience (not that the books themselves should accommodate for this, they just need to be promoted more), and importantly, more fan-art.
I like it when I just need to quote someone and not bother with writing my views down! The books are enough for me, too.

Even if the book are enough for the main story, wouldn't you like to see a spinoff in another format?
Why not a comics about a scalper or something?
I don't read enough to be familiar with various spin-offs, but I would be concerned that it would be a watered down version, or perhaps even a corruption, of the source material. Of course It'd be extremely cool to see e.g. the battle of Kiyuth on television, but on a whole I doubt they could stay true to the source material. Take e.g. Game of Thrones, I don't even watch it anymore because it's become so far removed from GURRM's books.
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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« Last post by SmilerLoki on August 14, 2018, 04:09:52 pm »
Even if the book are enough for the main story, wouldn't you like to see a spinoff in another format?
As a general rule, I detest spin-offs. It they involve other authors, I don't acknowledge their existence altogether.
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