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General Earwa / Re: TSA related art and stuff. (VI)
« Last post by Simas Polchias on March 23, 2019, 02:14:14 pm »
Thank you!
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General Misc. / Re: Video Game Thread! What are you playing?
« Last post by SmilerLoki on March 23, 2019, 10:08:41 am »
Getting my asshole destroyed by Sekiro at the moment. The first boss alone took me fucking hours, easily on par with e.g. Sister Friede in difficulty, and the minibosses are no joke either. I didn't think I'd be into the Japanese thing, but they did a really good job with it. Smiler should be very into this.
By the first boss you mean Lady Butterfly?

And yeah, I'm totally into this game, it's absolutely amazing, but the Japanese thing is really not to my liking (I hate both Sengoku and Edo periods, at least). Also the plot is just generic so far, by far the weakest part of the game. Still, Sekiro is an improvement on Dark Souls combat system (and cuts a lot of unnecessary stuff in other places), and a great one at that. 100% worth picking up if you're at all into combat games. A bit of warning, though: Sekiro is likely noticeably harder than any of the previous Soulsborne games.
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General Misc. / Re: Video Game Thread! What are you playing?
« Last post by TLEILAXU on March 23, 2019, 06:59:25 am »
Getting my asshole destroyed by Sekiro at the moment. The first boss alone took me fucking hours, easily on par with e.g. Sister Friede in difficulty, and the minibosses are no joke either. I didn't think I'd be into the Japanese thing, but they did a really good job with it. Smiler should be very into this.
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I think the overcoming of something we'd assign near zero probability is pretty cool, they get into that later in the article.

Gets into the difference between assigning random variables and actually knowing what's going on w/ causation "behind the scenes" of our mathematical designations.
Yeah I liked this one too. Just shows there's still lot of interesting/useful things to discover at small scales.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Is there really a Determinism/Indeterminism Dichotomy?
« Last post by sciborg2 on March 22, 2019, 06:42:01 pm »
Yeah I think the issue of semantic determinacy is related to the challenge of providing causal accounts of Intentionality. And of course how is it that any clump of matter in the brain can, somehow, be about some other clumps of matter in the world.

But Causation is wonky enough without trying to suss out mental causation...

And that is sort of a problem, because math and language are sort of the tools we are using to investigate.  So, if everything we find is a mathematical/linguistic answer, that makes sense, because we are looking at everything through a sort of math/language lens.

I mean, maybe, I don't know...

I'd say Rationality / Intentionality / Subjectivity underpin our scientific investigation.

And science itself could be defined as the discovery of patterns through observation of change.

Can this yield knowledge of things-in-themselves, rather than relational structures? Seems unlikely since much of this investigation assumes both dynamism and stability so I don't see an answer to "Why don't the Laws of Nature change?".

To go back to the OP, math is useful modeling but its lingual limits - namely describing events through probability - is not an actual restrictive dichotomy [of randomness / determinism ] on Nature.
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General Misc. / Re: What are you watching?
« Last post by H on March 22, 2019, 05:02:17 pm »
Second season of The OA is out on Netflix today.  Might try to watch it this weekend.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Is there really a Determinism/Indeterminism Dichotomy?
« Last post by H on March 22, 2019, 04:18:16 pm »
Yeah I think the issue of semantic determinacy is related to the challenge of providing causal accounts of Intentionality. And of course how is it that any clump of matter in the brain can, somehow, be about some other clumps of matter in the world.

But Causation is wonky enough without trying to suss out mental causation...

And that is sort of a problem, because math and language are sort of the tools we are using to investigate.  So, if everything we find is a mathematical/linguistic answer, that makes sense, because we are looking at everything through a sort of math/language lens.

I mean, maybe, I don't know...
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Is there really a Determinism/Indeterminism Dichotomy?
« Last post by sciborg2 on March 22, 2019, 03:54:05 pm »
I think the universe has events, and while the mathematical modeling is useful the actual events are better described via Aristotle's ideas of causation and entities having particular natures & causal powers.

Re: Intentionality, I think of it just as having Aboutness of Thought, as in Thoughts about the World. Given most of our cause-effect descriptions pre-suppose consciousness due to their interest-relativity it suggests there is something...interesting...going on there...

Yeah, I'd be willing to buy something like a "limit to math."

I'm just unclear if it could be that Intentiality could rise of things unIntentional.  Kind of how the "infinite" nature of language seems it could arise from, well, no language at all...

Yeah I think the issue of semantic determinacy is related to the challenge of providing causal accounts of Intentionality. And of course how is it that any clump of matter in the brain can, somehow, be about some other clumps of matter in the world.

But Causation is wonky enough without trying to suss out mental causation...
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Is there really a Determinism/Indeterminism Dichotomy?
« Last post by H on March 22, 2019, 03:47:32 pm »
I think the universe has events, and while the mathematical modeling is useful the actual events are better described via Aristotle's ideas of causation and entities having particular natures & causal powers.

Re: Intentionality, I think of it just as having Aboutness of Thought, as in Thoughts about the World. Given most of our cause-effect descriptions pre-suppose consciousness due to their interest-relativity it suggests there is something...interesting...going on there...

Yeah, I'd be willing to buy something like a "limit to math."

I'm just unclear if it could be that Intentiality could rise of things unIntentional.  Kind of how the "infinite" nature of language seems it could arise from, well, no language at all...
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Philosophy & Science / Re: Is there really a Determinism/Indeterminism Dichotomy?
« Last post by sciborg2 on March 22, 2019, 03:22:53 pm »
I agree, though back to the OP this does undermine the idea that deterministic/random dichotomy exists in nature. Our calculations, as you say, are based on our expectations that are underpinned by a priori considerations.

Though there is a bigger challenge with consciousness and its ability to seek interest-relative cause/effect relations. How do you get that kind of consciousness *without* the very interest-relative seeking consciousness provides...As Putnam once said to explain Intentionality arising you need Intentionality...

Hmm, so maybe it all just is an issue of "frame of reference" in the same way that Relativity "redefined" Netwonian physics?

On Intentionality though, well, I am a bit in the dark, because I'm not exactly clear what that is off the top of my head.

I think the universe has events, and while the mathematical modeling is useful the actual events are better described via Aristotle's ideas of causation and entities having particular natures & causal powers.

Re: Intentionality, I think of it just as having Aboutness of Thought, as in Thoughts about the World. Given most of our cause-effect descriptions pre-suppose consciousness due to their interest-relativity it suggests there is something...interesting...going on there...
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