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Oh the irony (or not). I wonder what those 'Numerous studies suggest that fostering a belief in determinism influences behaviors like cheating' are. I'm biased here, but it sounds a bit like bullshit to me. What if it's more dependent on the tone of the text than the content? Imagine fostering a belief in free will by making people read Ayn Rand before taking a behavioral test, surely that could also have an impact.

Is Ayn Rand just about free will though? Isn't it more a kind of will to power type thing?


The amount of things that Ayn Rand is purported to be either for or against is staggering. It seems you can almost always invoke her name on any subject and if the room has enough people someone will disagree and say she's actually a supporter of it.

People use her like they use the bible - cherry pick quotes and establish strong, unbending feelings about her without ever reading the whole and considering it for themselves. lol

Well, whatever you think/take from the work, Atlas Shrug was a very fun read. Was the bible for conservative economic views until her atheism was illuminated in political discourse. It's a beautiful example of how personal experience impacts the development of our world view. But you're right, these "bibles" are ripe for misunderstanding and misapplication.

EDIT: And yes, Sci - she was a fan of Freddy. But she distinguishes herself as it's choice in lieu of endemic to our natures if one becomes "powerful".
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Philosophy & Science / Re: The Benefits of Optimism Are Real
« Last post by TaoHorror on January 16, 2019, 03:15:09 am »
Be sure you're not confusing optimism with naivete. It's more of a function of how you chose to react than not seeing clearly. That old saying, resentment is like taking poison and hoping the other guy dies. One of optimism's features strengthens your resolve/spine as you have the energy to do so. Everything has a cost and it can lend to being taken advantage of easier - but an optimist would say the improved social reality they enjoy overwhelms that risk. And let's face it, being pissed off all the time and/or cynical about everything can be a buzzkill. You're alive, fucker - not a calculator - even extraordinarily awful events are amazing, the depth of emotive experience is butter.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: The Benefits of Optimism Are Real
« Last post by TLEILAXU on January 16, 2019, 02:29:36 am »
Quote from:  H
Well, there is a very good reason we never recommended it to you...

Really? What? In genuinely at a loss as to why you guys wouldn't want me participating in your "mindfulness" endeavors....

;)

The initiation rituals aren't for everyone, you know?

Not to mention, it's all a zero-sum game.  If we let everyone else get more mindful and confident, then we necessarily won't be as much.
Lol'd.
Real talk though, I agree with some of the points made in the OP, but on the other hand I do feel a lot of this 'just have a positive attitude man ;)' is bullshit. Like, somewhat related, there was this smiling study that was debunked some years ago https://www.livescience.com/56740-facial-feedback-hypothesis-fails-in-replication-attempt.html
Stuff like that needs to fuck off.
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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TTT Chapter 2
« Last post by Dora Vee on January 15, 2019, 11:03:59 pm »
Quote
"... Have them flayed and posted".
The ease with which these words fell from her lips was nothing short of nightmarish.  One breath and these men, these piteous fools, would die in torment.  A breath that could have been used for anything: a moan of pleasure, a gasp, a word of mercy...

This actually pissed me off quite a bit and I lost respect for her here. Well, at least at first. Then I realized that despite the power that she has, she was still following the letter of the law. Proyas would have done the same, I'm sure, but he's used to having such power. Conphas wouldn't even be thinking about this.

It kind of reminded me of the Casey Anthony case, oddly enough. People were super quick the judge the jury, but generally shut up when they listened to what the jury had to say. They DID suspect that she was guilty, but because of how US law is, any doubt means acquittal. That's in accordance with the law.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: The Benefits of Optimism Are Real
« Last post by H on January 15, 2019, 09:12:09 pm »
Quote from:  H
Well, there is a very good reason we never recommended it to you...

Really? What? In genuinely at a loss as to why you guys wouldn't want me participating in your "mindfulness" endeavors....

;)

The initiation rituals aren't for everyone, you know?

Not to mention, it's all a zero-sum game.  If we let everyone else get more mindful and confident, then we necessarily won't be as much.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: The Benefits of Optimism Are Real
« Last post by MSJ on January 15, 2019, 08:53:02 pm »
Quote from:  H
Well, there is a very good reason we never recommended it to you...

Really? What? In genuinely at a loss as to why you guys wouldn't want me participating in your "mindfulness" endeavors....

;)
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The Almanac: PON Edition / Re: ARC: TTT Chapter 2
« Last post by Wilshire on January 15, 2019, 07:05:07 pm »
One of my favorite arcs is Iyokus/Akka. Such great tension.
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Philosophy & Science / Re: The Benefits of Optimism Are Real
« Last post by H on January 15, 2019, 03:14:48 pm »
I'll be the first to admit, if it benefited my three, illustrious, scholarly friends, I'll be the first to pick it up. Wilshire has never recommended it to me on any of the threads, though.

Well, there is a very good reason we never recommended it to you...
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Philosophy & Science / Re: The Benefits of Optimism Are Real
« Last post by MSJ on January 15, 2019, 01:48:33 pm »
I'll be the first to admit, if it benefited my three, illustrious, scholarly friends, I'll be the first to pick it up. Wilshire has never recommended it to me on any of the threads, though.
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Oh the irony (or not). I wonder what those 'Numerous studies suggest that fostering a belief in determinism influences behaviors like cheating' are. I'm biased here, but it sounds a bit like bullshit to me. What if it's more dependent on the tone of the text than the content? Imagine fostering a belief in free will by making people read Ayn Rand before taking a behavioral test, surely that could also have an impact.

Is Ayn Rand just about free will though? Isn't it more a kind of will to power type thing?


The amount of things that Ayn Rand is purported to be either for or against is staggering. It seems you can almost always invoke her name on any subject and if the room has enough people someone will disagree and say she's actually a supporter of it.

People use her like they use the bible - cherry pick quotes and establish strong, unbending feelings about her without ever reading the whole and considering it for themselves. lol
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