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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by TLEILAXU on November 14, 2018, 01:12:46 am »
Of course it's a goad! Because it shows you what the Gods have in store for you in the wonderful afterlife.
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General Misc. / Re: Is anyone else blown away by this or is it just me?
« Last post by Francis Buck on November 13, 2018, 11:46:10 pm »
I absolutely think it's mind blowing and I actually use this sort of thing as an example when discussing things like "what is real" or "truth" with folks IRL when the topic comes up (I.E. the notion that a table is "solid" or "brown" or any other arbitrary human interpretation of Reality-As-It-Is...whatever that is, lol).
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by SmilerLoki on November 13, 2018, 09:29:38 pm »
It's proof that Damnation is real.  It just doesn't mean that Damnation is certain.  But with the propensity for souled things to want to maintain Identity, it is the Goad, because the only way out of the whole trap is the give up/in.
If we consider the Inchoroi themselves an experiment, nothing the Inverse Fire shows is proof of anything, since in that framework it would be designed specifically to show the Inchoroi only what they need to see for the experiment to run its course. Then Kellhus's statement might be seen as confirming this exact point of view since he, not being part of the experiment, saw something different. The others, whose experiences correlated with the Inchoroi's, might fall into the framework of the experiment for a variety of reasons (for example, because of their prolonged interaction with the Inchoroi or being hand-picked by them).

This is why i think it might not be relevant. It's too specific, even convoluted.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by MSJ on November 13, 2018, 08:48:52 pm »
Quote from:  H
That fact that what it shows you is true doesn't mean it isn't a goad though.  It being The Goad only speaks to the likely fact that while it shows you a truth, that doesn't have to be The Truth.  In other words, it will show almost everyone as Damned, but that doesn't mean no one could be saved.

Right, exactly what we learn through Koringhus. What I was actually meaning, was I never expected for anyone to actually see themselves in the IF.

I thought it purely a goad. A Tekne invention that showed what hell might be like. I was very surprised when Kellhus seen himself. So, I imagine "some" link to the Outside does exist.

Maybe not? Maybe Kellhus seen what he wanted to see. Who knows? His is the only experience we actually get any description of basically. Maybe you see what you want. I do understand your explanation, though.
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Literature / Re: YOU MUST TELL ME ... What else are you reading?
« Last post by Dora Vee on November 13, 2018, 08:31:51 pm »
46% Bonehunters. TBH, this one's a bit of a slower read.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by H on November 13, 2018, 08:07:59 pm »
That's why I'm not sure about the aforementioned framework being completely workable. It might be incomplete, with the Inchoroi being just one more experiment. Then the Inverse Fire cannot be seen as conclusive proof of anything.

But I doubt it's going to be relevant.

It's proof that Damnation is real.  It just doesn't mean that Damnation is certain.  But with the propensity for souled things to want to maintain Identity, it is the Goad, because the only way out of the whole trap is the give up/in.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by SmilerLoki on November 13, 2018, 07:00:18 pm »
There was always the line of thinking that it was just a goad. But, I think Kellhus seeing himself as a hunger, puts that theory to rest.
That's why I'm not sure about the aforementioned framework being completely workable. It might be incomplete, with the Inchoroi being just one more experiment. Then the Inverse Fire cannot be seen as conclusive proof of anything.

But I doubt it's going to be relevant.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by H on November 13, 2018, 06:56:45 pm »
There was always the line of thinking that it was just a goad. But, I think Kellhus seeing himself as a hunger, puts that theory to rest.

That fact that what it shows you is true doesn't mean it isn't a goad though.  It being The Goad only speaks to the likely fact that while it shows you a truth, that doesn't have to be The Truth.  In other words, it will show almost everyone as Damned, but that doesn't mean no one could be saved.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: "Kellhus is dead, but not done."
« Last post by MSJ on November 13, 2018, 06:31:23 pm »
Quote from:  SmilerLoki
It's precisely because such a Tekne artifact exists that I think the Progenitors had a theoretical understanding of damnation and the Outside from the Tekne point of view. I don't think it's prophesy, I think it's a scientific theoretical framework supported be experimental work. Since they were able to create the Inverse Fire, which does interface with the Outside, that framework appears to be workable at least to an extent.

There was always the line of thinking that it was just a goad. But, I think Kellhus seeing himself as a hunger, puts that theory to rest.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Metaphysics of the Second Apocalypse
« Last post by TaoHorror on November 13, 2018, 03:54:49 pm »
The previous No God insertant was also a twin with a dead twin, just like Kelmomas. My understanding was that twins can essentially share a soul. The importance of that being that the soul can both be inside and outside at the same time. The exact metaphysical reason that that is important for the No God isn't clear. But my guess is that it allows the No God to interact/perceive both sides of the gate between the inside and outside. That allows it to follow the important metaphysical ticker tape somehow.
It was his father who had the dead twin, not Nau-Cayuti himself.

Yeah, but some cool thinking here on why Kel was a match to make TNG work. I think you're at least on to something with this, if not spot on in some way.
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