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Literature / Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Last post by BeardFisher-King on June 12, 2019, 03:58:34 pm »
Oh, and how about the title of that article? "Cormac McCarthy's Polysemous Monster". Polysemous = many meanings.
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Literature / Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Last post by BeardFisher-King on June 12, 2019, 03:44:26 pm »
I'd have to say, I was not a fan of Blood Meridian.
From the thrust of the article, I don't think that I would enjoy reading BM either. But CMcC does seem to telling a tale of demons walking the earth; indeed, creating their own Hell on earth. So, to that extent, he is exploring some of Bakker's concerns.
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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Psalm of Imimorűl
« Last post by Wilshire on June 12, 2019, 02:15:18 pm »
The Gods ever hunger for only the finest, silkiest of manes, my brothers, which age not with the death of seasons or the blooding of second-born Sons; I implore thee to know - to believe! - that the soul most sacred can be found ONLY in the mane most luxuriant!

And thus do the Gods await the arrival of our salvation, Esmenet-most-Glossy, Esmenet-most-Coiffured, to their side; the Bringer of Style, the Harbinger of Wind Resistance, the Herald of the Great Parting, which will see all souls freed from the accursed chains of The Thinning Years! Salvation awaits all Men should they but seek it - not through great acts - nay, the crutch of false-souled Men who would blind thine eyes to their Recession through Worldly deed! Not through mercy - nay, the tenor of Heaven sings from the follicle, not the split end!

Salvation is a journey, my brethren - the toll of years tracked upon our scalps' cruel ground. And we, my kin, shall be saved where all others fall into endless torment, for WE! WEAR! CONDITIONED! GROUND!

...sorry.
This is brilliant.

Anyway, this thread go derailed rather strongly by the confusion about hair. Am I the only one still confounded by the poem itself. Read it a few times now, its very confusing.

First of all, whats a "myriad"? It doesn't seem to be used in the normal sense meaning "a number of" (usually Many), but rather some kind of noun...
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Literature / Re: Cormac McCarthy
« Last post by Wilshire on June 12, 2019, 12:18:09 pm »
I'd have to say, I was not a fan of Blood Meridian.
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Literature / Cormac McCarthy
« Last post by BeardFisher-King on June 12, 2019, 02:16:35 am »
Here's a thread for all things CMcC...starting with this recent analysis (some spoilers) of "Blood Meridian".

https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/cormac-mccarthys-polysemous-monster/
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News/Announcements / Re: How grimdark is TDTCB?
« Last post by SmilerLoki on June 11, 2019, 07:44:03 pm »
And yes, that's why polls are pointless. The fellow that's not read any of the top 5 (for the sake of argument), might put Elric of Melnibone at a 5 if their other experiences of reading fantasy are Shannara, Sword of Truth, and LOTR.
Um, one of those things is not like the others! The Sword of Truth is actually quite rape-y, full of torture and a lot of killing, and is very harsh on everyone who disagrees with the main characters. But all of those things are a bit brushed off since the books are mostly centered on getting their simple moralizing - and, later, heavy-handed Objectivism message - across.

All that being said, the Chainfire trilogy (it's part of the Sword of Truth series) is still one of my all-time favorites. Goodkind's really great with explaining his magic, even though it's not very consistent from book to book. But he takes it seriously and has a lot of details and interesting interactions within his magic system that leave other writers far behind.
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News/Announcements / Re: How grimdark is TDTCB?
« Last post by Wilshire on June 11, 2019, 07:25:08 pm »
I personally really enjoyed Library at Mount Char, that it sits next to Shadow of the Torturer is somewhat telling to me. Though personally I'd place them at different ends, they do end up both being rather moody and have similar themes of emotional development during hard times... However I'm not really a fan of Shadow to begin with so maybe I "didnt get it".

And yes, that's why polls are pointless. The fellow that's not read any of the top 5 (for the sake of argument), might put Elric of Melnibone at a 5 if their other experiences of reading fantasy are Shannara, Sword of Truth, and LOTR.

A list like this is really only as valid as the number of people who have read every one and ranked them accordingly (edit, went back and read your comment - this is exactly what you said lol). Given a few hundred of those people and you might get a list that was at least consistent, but it is then impossible to generalize on a greater scale, as the whole list needs re-evaluated every time a new book is added.

But, I find the attempt enjoyable, and will continue to make up words and genres for "books that are dark" rather than using words other people have made up but don't have useful definitions :P .

Edit: Also, this makes me not want to read Fletcher - I'm pretty skeptical of a book thats "way more grimdark" than TDTCB.
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News/Announcements / Re: How grimdark is TDTCB?
« Last post by SmilerLoki on June 11, 2019, 07:13:29 pm »
I'm so disappointed by voted book lists that I stopped considering them a thing long time ago. The problem with them is people not being familiar with all the available options, often not actually being that well-read, and even if they somehow are, not really having any noticeable critical thinking.

Like, The Library at Mount Char, while fairly dark, is made laughable by the stupidity of what's happening there (basically, the whole plot is pointless because the author just simply doesn't understand emotional growth, thinking it can only be achieved through horrible adversity), essentially being grimdark for the sake of being grimdark. The latter can be said about many other books on the list, too. And it's not even in the same universe as TSA, which isn't trying to be dark, it simply is because there is no escaping it and because what happens in the series has actual weight instead of being just a stylized cartoon.

And then there are people who just don't read anything disturbing, so their mileage on grimdark varies, to say the least.

The whole exercise is all around pointless and quite annoying if you take it seriously.

That being out there, looking at it as just a list of new books is how to not get toxic in this situation, so props to Wilshire!
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News/Announcements / Re: How grimdark is TDTCB?
« Last post by Wilshire on June 11, 2019, 06:52:09 pm »
I went back and checked... 8months later. The more I happen to read the books on this list, the more I realize that whatever it is I might think "grimdark" actually is does not appear to be what the general consensus is.

Though, given how varied each individual book's votes are, I suspect there's not much of a consensus.

Like, for example, Poppy War having the same rating as Elric, and Library at Mount Char being so low. Or Fifth Season, Legend, and Lamora being basically the same rating.
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General Misc. / Re: Quotes
« Last post by sciborg2 on June 11, 2019, 04:19:52 pm »
Walking along a mountain path in Japan, we come upon a rudimentary hermitage with a large temple bell suspended from a simple   wooden pagoda.   Unlike Western carillon bells, the Japanese bell has no clapper and is struck on the outside much as one might strike a gong....Admiring the excellence  and  obvious  age of  the engravings on the  casting, we hear the footsteps of the temple priest and turn to ask,  “How old is this extraordinary bell?”

Touching  his  palm  to  the  massive  casting, he  responds,  “This  is about five hundred years old, but” (removing his hand to point into  the  black  void  within  the  bell)  “the emptiness within—that’s eternal”..
 --Thomas P. Kasulis
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