Dunyain Weakness

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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2013, 11:22:33 pm »
Nice. I feel like I have contributed.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2013, 06:36:54 am »
Not necessarily a mistake, but I wonder about Kellhus' statement to Proyas along the lines of "It would frighten you learn how little of our foe I truly know." 

On the one hand, I feel like Kellhus must have figured out a ridiculous amount by the time of the Great Ordeal.  On the other hand, the Consult is still remote and mysterious as far as we can tell, and Kellhus seemed to have been giving Proyas some truth about Akka, so could this be reliable?

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2013, 02:22:34 pm »
Nice. I feel like I have contributed.

Lol. You and Wic have done well.

On the one hand, I feel like Kellhus must have figured out a ridiculous amount by the time of the Great Ordeal.  On the other hand, the Consult is still remote and mysterious as far as we can tell, and Kellhus seemed to have been giving Proyas some truth about Akka, so could this be reliable?

Who is to say what the Consult has accomplished in milennia, and especially, in the years of tinkering since the advent of the skin-spies... Kellhus only knows that he can use the Tekne to accomplish more...
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2013, 06:30:53 pm »
On the one hand, I feel like Kellhus must have figured out a ridiculous amount by the time of the Great Ordeal.  On the other hand, the Consult is still remote and mysterious as far as we can tell, and Kellhus seemed to have been giving Proyas some truth about Akka, so could this be reliable?

Who is to say what the Consult has accomplished in milennia, and especially, in the years of tinkering since the advent of the skin-spies... Kellhus only knows that he can use the Tekne to accomplish more...

Yeah, I guess we the readers are left to speculate about how capable both sides are.  It is we who are weak.

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2013, 08:40:06 pm »
I remember Pat's review before WLW dropped and being in shock that we were still denied a major clash with the Consult...

Now? I appreciate the shadow of memory the trauma will cast across what came before.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2013, 07:20:31 am »
I love that this thread exists. My pet nerdanel, my pet which I love and hate because I constantly flagellate myself that I swim in delusions of my own making, falling prey to selection and confirmation bias when I "find" "evidence" for Dunyain weakness.

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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2013, 01:58:01 pm »
Lol - you are easily the number #1 person to push this theory, lockesnow. Now Trisk and I have to battle to the death over who claims Nerdanel's throne as the inceptor (wow; what a fucking word. I mean, this as in the made of sense of inception of an idea, not its actual definition ;)) of Moenghus the Elder, as Chessmaster with his Xanatos Gambit (Nerdanel pushing this as far back as OG TS).

Also, TV Tropes is a treasure trove of narrative inspiration.
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2013, 09:22:34 pm »
Lol - you are easily the number #1 person to push this theory, lockesnow. Now Trisk and I have to battle to the death over who claims Nerdanel's throne as the inceptor (wow; what a fucking word. I mean, this as in the made of sense of inception of an idea, not its actual definition ;)) of Moenghus the Elder, as Chessmaster with his Xanatos Gambit (Nerdanel pushing this as far back as OG TS).

I think part of what made Nerdanel's nerdaneling so great was how matter-of-fact she would just lay down crazy theories. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2013, 09:27:43 pm »
Is she still around?

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2013, 12:33:41 am »
Nah, Nerdanel got treated with extreme prejudice for some of his/her kookier ideas over on the Westeros forums by some of the old names and disappeared from the internet. 
It was quite nasty and pretty sad iirc.
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2013, 02:04:54 pm »
Nah, Nerdanel got treated with extreme prejudice for some of his/her kookier ideas over on the Westeros forums by some of the old names and disappeared from the internet. 
It was quite nasty and pretty sad iirc.

Definitely have to count myself among those aforementioned. I don't remember ever being too kind when correcting Nerdanel :(.

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2013, 12:03:46 am »
There is exasperation and there is being rude and swearing at people. 
Just had a look though and she/he still seems to be somewhat active over there.
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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2013, 05:06:41 pm »
That's good.

May Nerdanel find the shortest path to us then.
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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2013, 07:15:47 pm »
I think I was mean to nerdanel and regret it. At the time I found her theories hopelessly intricate, now I've become conditioned to generate them on my own. complexity breeds complexity.

I did love her complex theory that Cleric was Ninjanjin.

my favorite quote of her's on ZTS went something like, "it really sucks to have a completely self contained and textual reinforced theory completely destroyed by something the author says outside the books.

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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2013, 12:06:00 am »
Uh someone should go pm this page to the original nerdanel. To think such a mind was lost to the void.
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