Kellhus and Nau Cayuti

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2014, 11:33:44 pm »
I remember both comments on ZTS.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2014, 04:10:49 am »
Super-crackpot: Kellhus looks like Nau-Cayuti because NC has been kept alive in Ishual for breeding purposes for 2000 years.  Kellhus is simply Nau-Cayuti's son, one of a number.  Old Moe isn't Kellhus' dad, he's Kellhus older brother!

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2014, 10:25:53 pm »
Old Moe isn't Kellhus' dad, he's Kellhus older brother!

Not sure about the rest, but this bit I like. Very much.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2014, 11:19:05 am »
I think it was brought up in your Dunyain genetics thread, Wilshire, but aren't all the Dunyain almost all genetic clones at this point anyways because of blending - though, it would be a neat M. Night-type twest if they were Clone Troopers.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2014, 01:26:27 pm »
No not necessarily. They are all genetic cousins, but that isn't saying a whole lot. After all, most humans are only a few % different themselves.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2014, 02:15:57 pm »
After all, most humans are only a few % different themselves.

Truth, but hell, we're not much separated from animals nearer to us along the evolutionary continuum either. Those differences can account for a lot.
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2014, 05:59:07 pm »
I think it was brought up in your Dunyain genetics thread, Wilshire, but aren't all the Dunyain almost all genetic clones at this point anyways because of blending - though, it would be a neat M. Night-type twest if they were Clone Troopers.

I hadn't thought about it till you put it that way--I don't have any evidence, but I guess the Dunyain could pursue separate breeding lines.  You know, one line to eventually replace weapons pragma, one to replace meditations pragma.  IDK

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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2014, 10:09:49 pm »
I don't know if you've read Dune or not but I would assume that the Dunyain keep meticulous breeding records.
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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2014, 10:19:33 pm »
Yeah, I guess that kind of thing doesn't count as turning away from history.  I wonder if the dunyain had an idea that they were getting close like the witches did.

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2014, 11:27:23 pm »
Wilshire seems to think the Dunyain would anticipate a Kwisatz Haderach ;).
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2014, 10:46:25 am »
That is a wicked shirt. MG, have you checked out the Herbert and Bakker thread?
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2014, 02:24:55 pm »
Not yet!  I think I was saving it.  I like both writers so much.  :)

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« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2014, 08:42:06 am »
The whole No-God is soul-borne Nau-Cayuti... that literally is nerdanel in extreme - the only piece of evidence this is based on is that there is a nameless captive being dragged towards a Golden Room.

I don't buy it.

But equally nerdanel is the idea that Kellhus is time-warped Nau-Cayuti, which I do buy.

But hell, I've submitted that Achamian and Kellhus travel through time at the end of this series to fight the First Apocalypse.

While i do agree that there is no conclusive proof about Nau-Cayuti's fate, the nameless captive isn't the only indication that he ends up inside the No God. Aka's dreams in the last book seem to follow a logical sequence and most of them concern Nau-Cayuti. He even dreams about the manner of his "death" which was certainly not a part of Seswatha's memories. So it's not a far fetched conclusion that the broken man moving towards the Golden Room is in fact Nau-Cayuti. This also explains the Kelmonian prophesy, since Nau-Cayuti's soul would actually be present when his father died.

As for the Kellhus resemblance, why is it assumed that only one Nau-Cayuti's parents is an Anasurimbor? They were a very big family with allot of branches. And even if she wasn't an Anasurimbor she would most certainly be a Norsirai of the same era.  So he could look similar to Kellhus in Aka's eyes, and still be Seswatha's son that took after his mother.

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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2014, 10:15:36 am »
Welcome back to the Second Apocalypse, SOA. It's good to see you.

However, the second assumption and the greater one is that the Golden Room somehow produces the No-God?

EDIT: There's pretty good argument here that Ganrelka can't be Celmomas' or Seswatha's son making none of the Dunyain Celmomian Seed - though, this revelation is only recently really sinking in for me.
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